Thread: Same Sex Marriages

Originally posted by Mudge
Yes that is quite likely, but why do you bring it to the table as if that is the sole reason we should dissallow things?

We should not let black folks eat at our tables because some people are going to be offended, and then make fun of the black man and possibly beat him up or lynch him. Therefore we should stick our heads up our asses and continue on with the usual.

I didn't say we shouldn't let gay people eat at our table. I have no problem talking to a gay person or eating with him, but there's no reason to force anyone to go through that kind of mocking and ridicule and isolation when they can't do anything about it and none of it was there fault.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I was exaggerating, I wouldn't kill them, but I would most definetly be asked for different guardians.

I dont know all there is to know about life, but going overboard with comments doesn't often help the discussion at all, facts facts facts, not bull.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I have no problem talking to a gay person or eating with him, but there's no reason to force anyone to go through that kind of mocking and ridicule and isolation when they can't do anything about it and none of it was there fault.

No child is forced to living in a foster home unless he or she is unfortunately caught in a corrupted system. There have been plenty of cases where children have been hurt in bad homes, and were not listened to, but when a child meets two men and if they dont like it then they wont go, period.

Is there not such a thing as realizing that the people doing the ridiculing are those that are in need of help? Should I hate my parents for making me white and that causing me problems with harrasment? Should I hate my dad for teaching me a moral life and making me a boring person who doesn't want to fuck every girl I see? I dont want to do every drug I hear about? I dont want to get wasted with my "friends" every weekend?

How about pointing the blame towards the people who are lacking brain activity, instead of pointing the finger at the people that care about you. You are still quite young, and I may have thought the same thing at one point myself, but I see your thinking as young and narrow minded.

Why do you all think I rarely chime in on political issues on this board, I get chastized everytime I do. Everyone can tolerate gay people but no one can tolerate not tolerating tolerance. do what you preach, and tolerate my political views. I'm done with this thread, it's getting kind of gay.

Its a discussion bro, thats what we are doing, exchanging ideas.

This is why I dont like when women run away from the issue with "I dont want to talk about it," If you want to solve problems, you talk about things. Obviously not all women are like this, just the ones I've been with

If you are a slave to your emotions, you have enslaved yourself.

I'm kind of stuck in the middle of both sides of the argument. I'm not sure what to think because i have mixed feelings....I mean who knows what's right from wrong....Nobody does! Who decides what is right and what is wrong...

The bible states that gay marriages are forbidden so that's what I think and believe

....I'm not trying to flame or anything but read that statement again slowly and can you honestly tell me you believe every word of the bible! How can you possibly think the bible is completely right.

I have a strong belief and education in science, and there is a ton of scientific evidence that proves religion (I'm gonna say Christianity, because that's the religion i know) wrong. I need proof to believe in something...Have you ever seen God in person and tell you that his religion is the way to heaven...i didn't think so. The Pope is like 90...you really think he's up to date on society and popular beliefs and changing times. It's like those speaches you used to get from your grandpa..."when i was a boy...bla bla bla..." Times Change, So should "THE RULES"!!

Back to the gay thing.....The biggest problem i have with gays and lesbians is when they have to flaunt their sexuality like putting a rainbow flag on their car's bumper...do i really need to know that your gay?? That also applies to those dumb-ass nationality flags, bumper stickers and reflectors. Do i really care that your from puerto rico or italy?....By the way, your an AMERICAN, there should be an American flag hanging off your rear view mirror!!!!!!!!

Why do you all think I rarely chime in on political issues on this board, I get chastized everytime I do.

Like I said, you still think women should be living the 50's lifestyle. You do it to yourself and after the comments I've seen from you in this thread, I think you need help. Just my opinion of course

Originally posted by y2gt
The Pope is like 90...you really think he's up to date on society and popular beliefs and changing times.

How about you think about what you just said Morality changes with the time? Will murder be ok in the next 200 years? If anything this would be something the religious community is going to use to say that we have strayed from the path, do you think that we should re-write the bible because we feel like doing different things as time goes on? Not when they supposedly come from God.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
Absolutely!

So if homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to like girls over boys? What age did you think.. I think I wanna go to the dance with Sally rather then my best buddy Ron.

Can you go further and say that on Wednesday I will be gay.. it's trendy.. half priced drinks for couples.. but on the rest of the days I'll be straight?

It is trendy in some cities to be gay. It sells clothes. Money to be made. I heard they even have a new classification of man

Metrosexual
A non-gay man who looks gay but isn't gay.

Especially when best buddy Ron is do damn hot, like Hansel hot

Originally posted by Jodi
Like I said, you still think women should be living the 50's lifestyle. You do it to yourself and after the comments I've seen from you in this thread, I think you need help. Just my opinion of course

You know what Jodi, your shit is getting really old. Define this "50's lifestyle" you keep talkin about? It's wrong that I think people should care about their kids? I'm old fashioned cause I think people should sacrifice their two 50,000 SUV's and so they can stay home and raise their kids? I understand that most people can't stay home with their kids, but most parents these days don't care half as much as they should about kids. IMO if/when you decide to become parents you are making and 18 year emotional financial and time consuming commitment, tough luck. I blame the incredible rise in child obesity on parents neglect. Either give me an argument or quit accusing me of beleiving in some term you pulled out of your ass.

Originally posted by mda1125
So if homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to like girls over boys? What age did you think.. I think I wanna go to the dance with Sally rather then my best buddy Ron.

I believe that you naturally know that being straight is the right way to do things and homosexuality is wrong, whether you belive in God or not.

Does this thread bring back memories?

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I believe that you naturally know that being straight

If you naturally just know this.. it must be genetic code.

Because nature input this "right/wrong" feeling into you. Otherwise, how would I naturally know this is the right thing to do?

Do I know that being hungry is right or wrong? Do I make a choice? Or do I just naturally know that I'm hungry?

Naturally I'm hungry. Therefore it's genetic codes (hormones, chemicals) that trigger genetic responses to make me crave food to satisfy hunger.

I don't make a choice to be hungry or not.. I am naturally hungry. And that is pure genetics.. not a choice.

And yes I'm comparing being gay to being hungry. Because nobody really choose either.

Unless you are in a trendy city or a model who choose to stave oneself.

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
I am guessing they all consider themselves "religious." Every argument I have heard against gay marriage centers around what is "moral", and those ideas are religion-based.

Not a flame directed at you IAB, but that is utterly rediculous. People can oppose same sex marriages or homosexuality in general and NOT hold any religious beliefs...or not believe in any god for that matter. On another note, believe it or not, people can have morals and standards without it being religion based. My thoughts on same sex marriages and homosexiuality were developed looooooong before my religious beliefs were. So don't paint eveyrone with the same brush just because they are opposed to something and that belief happens to jive with a religious viewpoint. That in and of itself is narrow minded and stereotypical.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
Define this "50's lifestyle" you keep talkin about?

Speaking for the "other thread," I didn't really see anything out of line myself. It is kind of a shame I think that both parents "have to" work nowdays, but it seems a part of our modern day life. If the dad stayed at home thats fine too, I think the BEST thing you can do for your children is spend time with them. Do you want them to end up like you and not some other random person? Then they should get to know you, not spend 70% of their time at home behind a TV set, or the rest of the time playing in the streets, then later doing "other things" possibly on those same streets with other kids who likewise dont see thier parents much.

Since the mother is motherly, it was kind of natural for the mom to do this. I have no problems with women working at all, but I do believe that parents should parent, nowdays parents come home, seem to argue, want to sit back and watch TV and then go to bed. "Hi son, sorry I'm too tired, go play in your room."

So if anything, I could blame our modern day way of life, technology is our master now. We were not content with hunting and gathering, or farming, so here we are. Mankind is never content it seems

Do I sound like a hippy? I love technology, but people let themselves be blind to reality, people just dont think. Why has society been "getting worse" seems plain to me.

Originally posted by Mudge
How about you think about what you just said Morality changes with the time? Will murder be ok in the next 200 years? If anything this would be something the religious community is going to use to say that we have strayed from the path, do you think that we should re-write the bible because we feel like doing different things as time goes on? Not when they supposedly come from God.

Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century". That has to be the most ignorant thing in the world when you think about it. People seem to think that "sin" has changed over the centuries and therefor the church should change how it vies it. It has not changed at all and there are no new ones. We have just found different ways to dress them up. lol

FYI, not anywhere did I mention anything that could be considered religious.

Originally posted by mda1125
If you naturally just know this.. it must be genetic code.

Because nature input this "right/wrong" feeling into you. Otherwise, how would I naturally know this is the right thing to do?

Do I know that being hungry is right or wrong? Do I make a choice? Or do I just naturally know that I'm hungry?

Naturally I'm hungry. Therefore it's genetic codes (hormones, chemicals) that trigger genetic responses to make me crave food to satisfy hunger.

I don't make a choice to be hungry or not.. I am naturally hungry. And that is pure genetics.. not a choice.

And yes I'm comparing being gay to being hungry. Because nobody really choose either.

Unless you are in a trendy city or a model who choose to stave oneself.

You're missing something very important here!

Yes, you "naturally felt hunger as a newborn baby, but you did NOT know what to do about it, you were taught this by your parents. Eat food and the pain goes away.

Originally posted by Prince
You're missing something very important here!

Yes, you "naturally felt hunger as a newborn baby, but you did NOT know what to do about it, you were taught this by your parents. Eat food and the pain goes away.

That is why I said it was a learned lifestyle.
My 5 year old son was checking out the Miss NC contestants back in June with binoculars. Now tell me that is not natural and born in males!

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century". That has to be the most ignorant thing in the world when you think about it. People seem to think that "sin" has changed over the centuries and therefor the church should change how it vies it. It has not changed at all and there are no new ones. We have just found different ways to dress them up. lol

The church HAS made many changes throughout the years, so i don't understand your statement....and no i don't think murder will be ok.
Examples of changes:
-Women priests
-Alter-girls

The way the church changes through time and their confusing and misleading views is what made me stray away from the Catholic faith i was forced to follow as a child.

Misleading views:
-why is going to church on saturday night acceptable as going to church on Sunday?
-Why do i have to follow the religion at all....it states that god is "all forgiving", so I will get into "heaven" just as easily as someone who wasted their time living their life according to the bible.

I don't need a religion to guide me through life. As some people posted above, I do have high morals...and i do believe that "we" are getting out of control (murder rates, divorce rates, child neglect/abuse, declining morals..etc) I don't think religion has anything to do with this. I don't need a religion to tell me what is right and wrong. I dont sleep around, i dont do drugs, i respect everyone, i dont cheat, steal,....so on... I gotta go.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I believe that you naturally know that being straight is the right way to do things and homosexuality is wrong, whether you belive in God or not.

If you as a man, are attracted to a man what tells you its wrong? Society, not inner self.

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Well said Mudge. I will never understand it when people say "The Church should get in the 21st Century".

Lets put Michael Jackson on the throne and moonwalk!

Originally posted by dg806
Now tell me that is not natural and born in males!

Of course it is, so suggesting that someone just chooses to be gay is one of the top 10 most ridiculous things I've heard.

"Oh man I want to be a flaming homo so some boys in blue will come beat me down, and I can watch the sweat dripping off thier hard, ripped bodies, while they beat me like I deserve."

Does that sound sensible to you? I dont think a person appearing to be happy on the outside, to that degree, would be such a psychotic freak that they smile when they get beaten in the streets, or murdered.

I've spent time on the east coast so I know that things may move a little slower out there, but come on now, choosing your sexuality? That is just beyond funny, it makes no sense. I want people to hate me, beat me in the streets, and stare at me like I'm worthless scum all day, sign me up.

Originally posted by Jodi
Does this thread bring back memories?

What about it? I never said I agreed with anything in that article. You just flew off the handle, apparently I interrupted your women's lib. meeting or something

Originally posted by y2gt
The church HAS made many changes throughout the years, so i don't understand your statement....and no i don't think murder will be ok.
Examples of changes:
-Women priests
-Alter-girls

I was not referring to changes in silly little rules. I guess what I was referring to is that people would like to see the church be more tolerant of the "sins" that are now common place. Like just because they are common, makes them okay to do. Not trying to be preachy here, but any religion that TRULY adhers to what it's teachings are, cannot let its basic foundation sway with whatever way the wind blows.

Originally posted by y2gt The way the church changes through time and their confusing and misleading views is what made me stray away from the Catholic faith i was forced to follow as a child.

I totally understand what you mean here. This happens all to often when we get off track and try to follow rules and such made my other men. But shame on us for not seeking truth, but rather being so ready to chuck it all, just because we did not like the rules. I guess one excuse is as good as another though.

Originally posted by y2gt Misleading views:
-why is going to church on saturday night acceptable as going to church on Sunday?
-Why do i have to follow the religion at all....it states that god is "all forgiving", so I will get into "heaven" just as easily as someone who wasted their time living their life according to the bible.

I am not of the Catholic faith, but I do know they know how to read the Bible, and neither of your examples above listed anywhere in the Bible. One is just a silly rule, the other is hodge podge. If you had ever even cracked a bible while you were young, you'd have your answer to the second part. BTW, living according to the Bible and following a religion are two totally different things.


Again, not trying to be preachy, just clarifying for you what I meant.

Oh, and for same sex marriages, that is not for me to judge.

Ok,I work in the arts,where I would say 40% of the artistic community is either homosexual,lesbian or bi.I get along pretty good with any of them,BTW I am heterosexual.I have close friends that are lesbians and have adopted a little girl who came from a married couple(man/woman) and would get their thrills from BEATING UP their little girl.This is an extreme case I have to agree.But when my friends took custody of this little girl,(let's call her Marie)Marie would cringe and freak out at any loud noises that would happen near her( can't say I blame her after what had happen to her with her previous parents).
It took 6 months for Lucie and Andree to get Marie calmed down,and actually come and site with any men that came into the house(I guess her father was the one that beat her up the most)
Anyway,had Marie been adopted by a "normal couple" (even though I hate using that term in this situation)I don't think that Marie would had been emotionally stable like she is now.
BTW,Marie is 14 years old and has been under the care of my friends since she was 5.
I have seen my friends have very open discussion about what is suppose and what is reality according to the powers to be...
At the age of 14 Marie knows already that she is heterosexual,not belittleling her parents,but understanding herself that that is what she is,not something that somebody shuved down her throat.
Many psycologists were saying that Marie was never to grow as a normal little girl,had it not been for the loving care of my TWO LESBIAN FRIENDS.Had there been a man/father,they all agree that Marie would had rejected him totally as a parent figure.

My thoughts on the matter:
I was a catholic and do not practise anymore...
Why does the church have a say as to what people are going to be and with whoom?
I bring the church in this issue,because here in Canada the Pope is asking all catholic politicians to do what it takes to prevent the same sex marriage.

As I stated in my original post,if the Pope decides that oral sex is not moral,I wonder how many people are going to obey this absurdity??
In my eyes,I see it as the SAME THING!!!

So now I throw the ball on the side of the "I'm against all this BS"

What would you do about this little girl,force her into a "NORMAL MARRIED COUPLE" where you know that because there is a man is this couple,Marie will be FUCKED UP for the rest of her life,denying her a happy childhood that was denied by her FUCKED UP but "NORMAL PARENTS"?