Pepper

Having read John H's post before, if you are anything short of "homosexuality is 100% OK and should be encouraged, if not mandated" he thinks you are anti-gay and a religious nut case.

John H.

Hi Spike,

Shoot you? Absolutely NEVER!

I completely understand what you are saying. What is fine for you IS for you. What I am trying to say and you are missing is that there is variation in Sexuality - variety - as with anything in life and what is fine for you may not be for another. One Man may want to be able to kiss another Man for example and he certainly should be able to - as long as each involved agree certainly - without the interference from others. Certainly you would not want someone telling you and forcing on you their dislike if they felt that if you were to kiss a Female they would find that something they did not "agree with" - see what I am saying?

I firmly believe in living and letting live - as long as each is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely. Anything else is absolutely no one else's business - not you, I, the government, not religion. Sexuality is a very basic thing very important in life - necessary to really live life honestly. People need to BE who they honestly ARE as born.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes. That is fine. But to legislate those views on another in a subject that is multi-faceted - varied naturally - is completely wrong. Everyone has basic rights - their Sexuality being one of the most basic, to BE who they truly are as born.

Would you like to have someone else tell you that if they saw you kissing a Female that you must not do that because they found that "repulsive"?

What if someone walked up to you and TOLD you you could not Bodybuild because "they did not like it or agree with it"? - SAME THING. You are ENTITLED to build your body. It is an absolute right you have! See what I am saying?

Take Care, John H.

John H.

Hi Spike,

That really is not my intention at all Spike.

I do understand what you are saying - for YOU it is not something YOU are interested in - that's fine. It is NOT my intention to FORCE you to accept or agree with anything. I am asking that people UNDERSTAND all the aspects of Sexuality - not necessarily "accepting them for themselves" - to honestly UNDERSTAND all aspects and allow people to do as they need to do for themselves without interference from others - as long as everyone involved is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

Take Care, John H.

John H.

Hi Pepper,

I did not really think that of Spike.

Flame you - NEVER! Why would I? I never have a problem with talking to Men - Man to Man.

As for your dog, I do understand that his licking his balls is necessary for him to be clean and healthy. He does not have "hands" to wash as Humans do. And I do not find a dog licking himself disgusting at all because I understand the necessity of that - there certainly could be more to it as well - that I am not aware of though (after all I am not a dog and only a dog would really know...)


Take Care, John H.

John H.

Hi Pepper,

That is not at all true actually. I am a BiSexual Man. All I have tried to do is have others DO their own research with respect to Sexuality with an open mind OBJECTIVELY - ALL aspects. That IS how anyone truly understands anything. That IS how people truly learn anything.

Take Care, John H.

camarosuper6

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.

WTF does that have to do with anything.

And Yes I did.

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I think introducing him to pmorphy would be a better idea. Maybe they can hang out.

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Rocky_Road

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

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Du

THANK YOU, JOHN H.

THANK YOU, PMORPHY.

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Theyre like those door-to-door bible thumpers, trying to convert people.

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John H.

Hi Camarosuper6,

Yes, this is a Bodybuilding Board. Yes, there is a section devoted to the subject of Sex. I believe it is devoted to the discussion of Sex and that is what I am doing on that Section - discussing. Perhaps my posts would be considered "odd" and "pecular" since a person does not often see posts that are aimed at getting to the truth of a subject objectively and completely and accurately. Sex is a very basic subject and the whole (its entirety and scope and variations) of that subject is not really understood by people truthfully (No, I do not think I know ALL about it in its entirety but I do my best to know and understand all aspects of it - even those I personally may not "accept" for myself because I understand there is variety in all things). This country has become a nation of many "followers" and few Human Beings that are truly INDIVIDUAL with the brain God gave them to utilize objectively.

Did I vote for George Bush? Absolutely NOT - not the first time, not the second time around. Not ever. As long as the religious right - the zealots - are in bed with the Republicans you will never see freedom in this country as was intended by Our Founding Fathers.

As for "tag teaming" - thanks but I can find those I am interested in - and they me - by myself.

Take Care, John H.

cman

Believe I said this once already but here goes again.

Andrew Dice clay say's it best!

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

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John H.

Hi Cman,

If you will look at books on Biology and the Natural Sciences you will see there is Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual. Also, I own a farm and work construction everyday and I can tell you there is variety in all things. Naturally so. Always has been and always will be - there is variety in all things in life and living - including Sex. If you want to truly know why you would have to ask Our Creator - as with anything in life that is good and sacred there is damn good reasons...

Do I? Yes I do. Those that I care about - and them me. Do others that I know do for me? Yes they do. Those that care about me and me them. When you truly care about another Human Being - regardless of their Gender - sex is an important aspect of that caring that is honest and sincere. As with Heterosexual Sex it is completely natural, right and good. No one "uses" me nor do I "use" them.

Take Care, John H.

ponyboy

John, then why is it that YOU ONLY POST IN THE SEX SECTION!? I think out of 600 posts probably 500 of them are here promoting the latest book or movie that supports you and your lifestyle. If you're trolling for bisexual partners, which we all can only conclude that you are, then go somewhere else.

Back to the farm John Boy, back to the farm.

I don't know why I'm even bothering - no matter how much you say it to a moron like this they won't leave. Best just to block all posts.

Today I can do what others will not so that tomorrow I will do what others cannot.

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Pony,

This might come as a shock but I, I - AM A MAN. A Mature Adult Male. I DO have - and HAVE EARNED - the right to speak about anything (I have served honorably in the Military in defense of this country). I WORK and I WORK HARD each and every day to EARN my way in this life for myself and my family...

I'd like to ask you - WHO do you think you are that you can come here and try to tell someone else what they can and can not do? WHO "gave you" that "right" - when did you become "Mr. Big"?

NO ONE forces you - or anyone else - to read anything that is posted. By anyone! Here's the thing: if you do not like what is posted DO NOT READ IT - NO ONE is making you read anything.

When you post, I never tell you that you should not, can not, don't, etc. post. So I have to ask you then: why would you think you can tell me or anyone else what to do or not? And that I or anyone else would actually listen to you?

I know "republicans" generally would like to have all others removed from the face of this earth BUT WE ARE HERE TO STAY. EVEN if you all end up with everything - which seems to be what you are after- ("The hell with everyone else on the face of this earth" "I want it ALL")...

You have some growing up to do. And, BECOME the MAN you would like others to "think" you are...

John H.

DOMS

So let's get this straight, because you thought that Spike found your sexual orientation repulsive, you needed to launch is a diatribe to point out that his way is somehow wrong.

To recap:

- You like being gay: OK
- Spike thinking that two guys getting it on is repulsive: not OK




Lastly, don't try to take the copout that being gay is natural.
Technically, being retarded is natural too.

ponyboy

My issue is not what you post, I could care less about that. My issue is that you are posting ONLY SEXUAL THREADS on a very obviously non sexual forum. You have received nothing but insults from many people here. If this was obviouslyIamagaymanrepressingmydesires.com I would not be troubled by it.

This forum is not the bisexual book of the month club. If you made posts in ANY OTHER SECTION and provided any sound input to anything then there would be no issue in my mind. The only time I see you post is here in this section. And it is always about things promoting YOUR LIFESTYLE. That is your choice, but to me it doesn't provide anything useful in the slightest. To me you're just as bad as a Jehovah's Witness - you feel that your beliefs are what is right and that's it. And who are "we" anyway? I'm not even an American.

As for who I am - I'm someone who is expressing his opinion, just like you are. I'm sure you have had enough negative feedback to realize that you are simply a troll in most people's minds. Including mine.

Today I can do what others will not so that tomorrow I will do what others cannot.

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John H.

Cfs,

Spike feeling that my Sexual Orientation is "repulsive" IS from his "learning"... "Religion" has a lot to do with this misinformation and outright lying - NOT from FACTS as to its naturalness, rightness, etc.

As to Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual - they ARE EACH VERY MUCH NATURAL. And just as right, good, and proper when each person cares about each other and is not just using them.

Re: Natural: see BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, By Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press).

Re: Past information: see FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press)

Re: Sexuality in all forms: see: SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE, by Dr. Alfred Kinsey (and others) (Sauders Medical Publishing, 1948 and 1953 respectively, each reprinted in 1998 by Indiana University Press)

Re: "...the copout that being gay is natural" - it certainly IS NOT a "copout" it IS a FACT that has ALWAYS EXISTED and ALWAY WILL as with each of the Sexualities.

Re: "Technically being retarded is natural too" - not necessarily so as some are naturally (as born) but not all (and for a number of reasons not all being directly connected with the natural - it very well could be the result of the mother and how the child was cared for prior to birth or even after or not) - and - being retarded has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject of a person's Sexuality AS BORN.

John H.

John H.

Pony,

I think you are confused. YES, this is IRONMAGAZINE.COM - a Bodybuilding Forum. But IF you LOOK CLOSER you WILL SEE that you have posted and are reading items in the "Sexual Health" section - a place for the discussion of Sexual matters. This section IS PROVIDED for those who want to discuss Sex. So it follows that those things discussed here WILL BE on the subject of Sex. Other sections are provided for other topics and I have posted some on them as well. And will. On the subject of THAT Section.

As for me posting "ONLY SEXUAL THREADS" I have posted in other areas as well and when I get the time I will be doing more of that. I am presently on this section but I do not limit my discussion to only this section.

The "insults" - people get them all the time no matter what they say or not. Even over the simplest of statements. It comes from people who are ignorant - and in some cases even stupid (BY THEIR CHOICE). BEING a better person requires each person to TRY to DO that and learning from ALL sources ALL information ALL the time with an OPEN MIND and OBJECTIVELY, one of the ways a person BECOMES A BETTER PERSON. And in the end that is how this country "becomes better". Or the world for that matter. "Insults" are for those that are immature and childish. And maybe even "scared" of truth. Or find the truth somehow "earth shattering to their sensibilities"...

Your use of the word "moron" says a LOT about you. Thus my reply to your original statement. I try to make what I say CONSTRUCTIVE, NOT DESTRUCTIVE. And ADD to the BETTERMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL. A person's Sexual Orientation IS AS BORN, something that IS VERY NATURAL. The J. W.'s you mention do not agree with this at all - but then they see "visions" all the time too like most "religious" people but as to FACTS they "see little to none" because it is "not convenient to them and their 'beliefs'" (the Mormons "saw visions" too and they believed in multiple partners) ... I DEAL IN FACTS, honest, accurate, complete, thorough, etc. as nearly as is possible for a Human Being to do. Do I make errors, sure, just as does any other Human Being but I sure try my damnest to keep those to a minimum and will acknowledge them when I see them or they are pointed out to me... AND I will correct those mistakes... But you will never see me continue to make the same mistake and put out information that is not true based on accurate fact.

If you want to talk or communicate like a MAN who IS MATURE and WILLING TO LEARN ACCURATELY AND HONESTLY, fine. If you are wanting to "stay in your shell" that is entirely up to you. YOU make your own bed and will sleep in it for the rest of your life. It IS entirely your choice.

As for "American" or not, that does not necessarily make anyone "right" or "wrong".

A "troll" - not at all. But I imagine that if you want to "think" that nothing I say will change your "mind" because that "is your mindset". Like I said before, I am a CONstructive person NOT DEstructive. Which are you? YOUR future hangs in the answer YOU give ...

John H.

Pepper

Your insistance that we accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle infringes on my rights. I have the right to find homosexuality wrong and repulsive.

Furthermore, what lying are you refering to? The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Period. YOu need to accept that. I don't say that in a judgemental way, b/c I have plenty of sin in my life.

Christians believe homosexuality is wrong b/c the Bible says so and they have EVERY RIGHT to believe that and you are going to have to come to grips with that. Not everyone is going to accept your lifestyle and they shouldn't be forced to.

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ponyboy

I don't think anyone should waste their breath anymore. Talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. And a really stupid brick wall at that. Therefore I'm not going to anymore. People like this troll live off of having pointless discussions with people about opinions - not facts. Don't feed the troll. Lesson learned.

Today I can do what others will not so that tomorrow I will do what others cannot.

The difference between winners and losers is that winners do things that losers don't want to do.

John H.