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    I'm not saying anything against masturbation, BTW, I'm just saying we shouldn't make decisions about whether or not to do things based on whether or not animals do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rock4832
    If it was "natural" John, then we wouldn't be watching a video of it on the internet. We'd see our own cats and pets doing it. It is UNnatural. While it may happen 1% of the time, it is not a normal occurance.
    Hi Rock,

    NOT to be putting you or anyone else down on this - but just how observant are we all in this "modern world"?

    I own my own farm and I see things everyday. Nothing shocks me. This - with the cat - did not surprise me. I've seen it before - so what. No biggie for me. Natural, YEP, it certainly IS. "A normal occurance" - yep! How many times have you seen a dog humping anything for example? Are you trying to have me believe that what that cat did is somehow "UNnatural"? Not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    Perhaps we are part of the animal kingdom, but that should only be applied to a certain extent. For instance, I've seen animal mothers eat their young. Natural? Yes, but certainly not something to be emulated.

    Natural does not necessarily mean good.
    OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet! I dont understand all the politicality and morals behind his posts on this matter.... I was just pointing out how common these things are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_enough
    OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_enough
    OH, no doubt!!! John H is going so beyond the meaning of this video which simply displayed amuzing behaviour by a house pet! I dont understand all the politicality and morals behind his posts on this matter.... I was just pointing out how common these things are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    Perhaps we are part of the animal kingdom, but that should only be applied to a certain extent. For instance, I've seen animal mothers eat their young. Natural? Yes, but certainly not something to be emulated.

    Natural does not necessarily mean good.
    Hi That,

    You have to UNDERSTAND the WHY. That IS the key to knowing. I own my own farm. Doing so teaches you a lot you would not "normally" know about.

    So now I guess the "moralists" and the "religious zealots" will want to take that cat and "baptize" it so it will no longer have "original sin" and have it go "to confession" for "sinning"... BULL!!!! The cat DID what came NATURALLY!!! And probably LIKED DOING IT... SO WHAT!!!!

    As for some animal mothers eating their young - you have to STUDY life and living in all things. There ARE reasons for everything that happens. You or I may not always "know" or "understand" but then that is why it IS SO VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES. That IS how we truly and accurately LEARN. EVEN - and especially - about God!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_enough
    well, it is kind of a natural process for pets to be "indulging" in such "deviance"...lol Although, for most animal species, sex is strictly about instincts and procreation, not pleasure(thank god for being human!)....I have a feeling this little kitty simply had a wicked way of grooming itself!! But hey, how many times have I seen my "fixed" female dogs go at it with my kitchen table leg or sofa!!!

    Hi Crazy,

    THINK about this: HOW do you KNOW for sure that "...for most animal species, sex is STRICTLY (caps I added for emphasis) about instincts and procreation? Are you an "animal" and know yourself for sure? Obviously the cat "in question" LIKED what is was doing, can you deny that? Can you tell me with CERTAINTY that that cat was "just" grooming itself? Maybe it was a very smart cat and LEARNED this "method of cleaning" itself has MORE benefits that just "being clean"? Cats ARE SMART you know... How many Male dogs have you seen "at work"?

    There is a lot human beings that DO NOT UNDERSTAND - or know - trust me! Animals are NOT as "stupid" as human beings like to "think" they are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    Hi That,

    You have to UNDERSTAND the WHY. That IS the key to knowing. I own my own farm. Doing so teaches you a lot you would not "normally" know about.

    So now I guess the "moralists" and the "religious zealots" will want to take that cat and "baptize" it so it will no longer have "original sin" and have it go "to confession" for "sinning"... BULL!!!! The cat DID what came NATURALLY!!! And probably LIKED DOING IT... SO WHAT!!!!

    As for some animal mothers eating their young - you have to STUDY life and living in all things. There ARE reasons for everything that happens. You or I may not always "know" or "understand" but then that is why it IS SO VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES. That IS how we truly and accurately LEARN. EVEN - and especially - about God!!


    Take Care, John H.
    I do know the "why," John. I'm not saying it's wrong for animal mothers eating their young; instead, I'm saying that example is a case where it would be wrong for us to emulate animals. Therefore, saying that what animals do is natural (which it is) and therefore must be right because natural=right is completely false.

    Second, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a religioius person, even a zealot, who would actually want to baptize a cat. Give me a break. Certainly there are some who would think masturbation is sinful, and they are entitled to their opinion, as we are to ours.

    Lastly, for someone who encourages to have "AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES," you sure do seem to have a closed mind to any opinion except for yours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    I do know the "why," John. I'm not saying it's wrong for animal mothers eating their young; instead, I'm saying that example is a case where it would be wrong for us to emulate animals. Therefore, saying that what animals do is natural (which it is) and therefore must be right because natural=right is completely false.

    Second, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a religioius person, even a zealot, who would actually want to baptize a cat. Give me a break. Certainly there are some who would think masturbation is sinful, and they are entitled to their opinion, as we are to ours.

    Lastly, for someone who encourages to have "AN OPEN MIND AND CONSIDER ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES AND ALL SOURCES," you sure do seem to have a closed mind to any opinion except for yours...

    Take Care, That G.
    Hi That,

    I did not miss what you are saying. I hope you did not as well.

    As for a religious person, I'd put money on it - AND WIN - you'd find one that would take that cat out and "drown" it baptizing it and saving it from "original sin" and "sin" TRUST ME!!!! Do you think that cat will go "to hell" for masturbating?

    I can assure you I DO NOT have a closed mind about anything.


    Take Care, sincerely so, John H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    Hi Crazy,

    THINK about this: HOW do you KNOW for sure that "...for most animal species, sex is STRICTLY (caps I added for emphasis) about instincts and procreation? Are you an "animal" and know yourself for sure? Obviously the cat "in question" LIKED what is was doing, can you deny that? Can you tell me with CERTAINTY that that cat was "just" grooming itself? Maybe it was a very smart cat and LEARNED this "method of cleaning" itself has MORE benefits that just "being clean"? Cats ARE SMART you know... How many Male dogs have you seen "at work"?

    There is a lot human beings that DO NOT UNDERSTAND - or know - trust me! Animals are NOT as "stupid" as human beings like to "think" they are...

    Take Care, John H.
    Hum, lemme answer ur first question: I am somewhat educated on the subject having worked as a volunteer for numerous canadian and international animal organizations(on everything from kitty cats to alligators) for the past 7 years! I know I know, u own a farm....So then u must know that when animals(for the most part, as dolphins have been proven to experience sexual pleasure and have sex for that purpose under certain conditions) engage in sexual activities, they are led and guided by their instincts to procreate. Noone said this pet was being stupid...It is however senseless to compare human intelligence to animal's "reactive" intelligence.
    To sorta turn this thing around, how do u KNOW (caps I added for emphasis) that this cat enjoyed what it was doing? The look on its face?? the fact that it was licking itself at the same time?? See where Im going with this??

    I simply felt that u were overANALizing this thing...




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    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    Hi That,

    I did not miss what you are saying. I hope you did not as well.

    As for a religious person, I'd put money on it - AND WIN - you'd find one that would take that cat out and "drown" it baptizing it and saving it from "original sin" and "sin" TRUST ME!!!! Do you think that cat will go "to hell" for masturbating?

    I can assure you I DO NOT have a closed mind about anything.


    Take Care, sincerely so, John H.
    Clearly, I don't think the cat will go to hell. Maybe you should read my response again if you didn't understand it the first time.

    Second, in my humble opinion, someone who defends against anything anyone else says, never admits to being wrong, and ends lots of their statements with "TRUST ME!!!!" has a pretty closed mind. Perhaps you don't have a closed mind, but it appears quite often that you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    Hi That,

    I did not miss what you are saying. I hope you did not as well.

    As for a religious person, I'd put money on it - AND WIN - you'd find one that would take that cat out and "drown" it baptizing it and saving it from "original sin" and "sin" TRUST ME!!!! Do you think that cat will go "to hell" for masturbating?

    I can assure you I DO NOT have a closed mind about anything.


    Take Care, sincerely so, John H.
    I'm a "religious" person, whatever the crap that means. I wouldn't try to baptize the cat
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    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    Hi Tony,

    What does this have to do with religion? If you look at the whole of this - EVERYTHING.

    I DO and DID see the humor in this thread. I LAUGHED - and am STILL LAUGHING. But I SEE things from ALL perspectives and I could see where some who looked at this would bring "morals" and "religion" and "UNnaturalness", etc. into this so I was addressing all aspects of this - but laughing all the same...

    I see horses with huge hard-ons every day. I do not go around saying: "damn I better tell that horse to stop that because someone might be offended!" (like he would listen to me anyway...). Or that he might be "immoral"... Or that he is "wrong" to show his hard-on... I do not try to "cover up" a horse's hard-on. I hope he is having fun actually... I do not walk up to that horse with a hard-on and jack it off so it will "not show" so as not to offend someone who "might see it"... It is NATURAL. SO WHAT! You see them all the time no big deal!! I own my own farm and I see things all the time - so what. I bet if a horse could jack itself off it WOULD and often!!! Or want help!!

    I AM an ADULT MALE. I have an open mind and see ALL things from ALL perspectives ALL the time. Thus my reply as I made it.

    But I STILL see the humor in it and I LAUGHED - and AM STILL LAUGHING. I hope that cat enjoyed itself. I am sure Guys who jack off do. I know I do. And I always will like it. It feels damn good - no matter if I am doing it myself or getting help from someone I know cares about me.

    Think about this too - did the cat enjoy what it was doing? Probably did. I laugh if I see another Guy jack off so why would I not laugh if I see a cat doing it. NOT AT them but WITH THEM!!! They BOTH LOVE IT. It IS NATURAL - AND RIGHT - no matter who "says" "it is wrong" because they are full of sh*t that say it "is wrong" !!!!

    Take Care, John H.
    John,

    First of all, nobody here is offended by this. Second, I am very open minded and accepting. I hope that I don't need to explain that.
    I don't understand why I have to sit down and understand that a cat is masturbating and the reasons for it. In fact, the cat is masturbating because of sheer hornyness, no more, no less. Nobody here is contending that this isn't a natural act, it's just for "shits and giggles". I don't want to over-think and over-analyze things that do not need to be.
    Another thing, the cat is masturbating, right? explain to me why out of the blues you bring up religion as a bad thing when a cat is masturbating. The hell does that have to do with that? That's out of left field bud. This is how you started: "Well a person can NOT put their "morals" on this... "Religion" which IS man-made has no place in this as what is happening is apparently something that is natural". Nobody thus far had mentioned any form of organized religion in this thread...
    You say to me that this has everything to do with religion. WHAT, tell me what it has to do with it. Religion is bad because the cat is masturbating? We need to open our minds and understand why the cat is masturbating?
    Chief, I don't own a farm, I work 10 hours a day in my own business, I get home and play with my children, watch the news and go to sleep. I usually find time to read a book or just shoot some hoops outside of my house. I also find time to work out. Why should I try to open my mind and think about why a cat masturbates, and why that makes religion bad? You are crusading, and like I said, you are worse than the "religious freaks" because you simply try to hammer things into the heads of people who really don't give a shit...Sorry, but that's how I feel...
    If I owned a farm, surely I would try to analize those things. Why? because that would be my line of work and I would need to know those things. What I do over-analyze is why a life sustaining ventilator needs to continue at a certain power stream to keep a patient from dying and how I can make it so that a child is comfortable in his last seconds of life. That's what I need to over-analyze. Lives are at stake if I don't over-analyze those things...

    L8tr John....
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    This is a moot point. You are going to be the fun police and I am playing right into your hands.....
    Nothing more from me. Enjoy antagonizing everyone else, I am out.....

    Bye John...
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    I know I know, u own a farm....

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    John did you ever think that the fact that nothing ever shocks you could be a problem. have you become so desensitized to everything that the truely shocking things out there no longer have an effect on you. thats kind of sad if its true. Im not saying i was shocked by the cat pawing at itself, i wasnt, but the fact that some one immediatly thought they should grab a camera and share this moment with others was suprising to me. and when i was a kid i tried to baptize cats all the time. mostly i just threw them in the river, but i thought it was fun. take the advice of the people on this thread. dont use every post to fit your "alternative lifestyle agenda", relaxe about the religious right, and just generally remember this is a bodybuilding forum. your not going to change the world telling bodybuilders its ok to be gay. because most of us really dont care what you do as long as you keep it out of our face. have fun on your farm though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritChick
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