Thread: Are you a BiSexual Bodybuilder?

Originally Posted by JordanMang

By truth you mean opinion right? I know plenty of men who say their homosexually wasn't a trait they were born with, but rather a choice they made. Everyone who visits this forum knows what a good looking man looks like ( more then most, hell we all enjoy watching oiled down men with fake tans in speed-o's parade around while flexing ), but that's not say that we want to have sex with them. I do masturbate. This isn't homosexuality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality. Homosexuality is sex with a person of the same gender. I am not having sex. I am not inserting my penis into any orfaces. You're reasoning is false. For instance - let's say I fuck a blow-up doll ( BigDyl's favorite activity ) this isn't homosexual, bi-sexual, or heterosexual, you can't put a label on it. Masturbation is a form of self-pleasure. Much like rubbing your neck or feet after a hard day. It's way of releasing sexual tensions. It has nothing to do with your sexuality. Every creature on the planet masturbates, but none of them have sex with the same gender. That's a human decision. It's a gift given to us by God. Don't confuse, skin color, height with the choice of sexual preference. God made us in his image, but he certainly didn't make us gay, hetero, or bi-sexual. It's a comp out. I have no problem with you saying "I am gay, I am proud, hear me roar." That's fine, and more power to you. But don't spread your propaganda as "truth". Peace & love.

Hi Jordan,

By "truth" that is exactly what I mean. No bull. No brainwashing, etc. like religion (which is man-made) likes to do. I stand completely behind what I said to you.

As with the color of a person's skin so too is their Sexuality, as born, and a Gift from God along with all the other things He gives each of us. A person does not chose their Sexuality. Someone could say "I tried it and now I like it" but that is only really saying they WERE who they now "realize" " they are", as born. Some people take a long time to realize who they truly are.

As for good looking Men - I see them every day and I even work with them in construction . And in my everyday travels. Most Men I know do not go around flaunting what they have because what they have, and that they earned it honestly, speaks for itself. Men SEE other Men as they truly are.

If you masturbate you are a Man having sex with a Man even though you are one and the same Man and technically speaking (and in the final analysis it IS about the technical which decides and ends the controversary). Sure masturbation is a form of self-pleasure but you are still having Sex with a Man and so it follows that if you also masturbated your best Buddy the same applies as well. But that does not mean that both of you can not truly understand and appreciate - and ultimately enjoy - the help given whether given to yourself by yourself, help given to your Buddy by you or help he gives to you - everyone benefits as long as it is done with total respect, honor and dignity which is the only way I would ever do that speaking for me specifically. I never use others and they do not use me. Sex in any form is sacred and those I am involved with Sexually KNOW that is absolutely true - they have even told me that not because I asked them but they freely said that themselves.

You example of a blow-up doll - it depends on the Gender of the blow-up doll. And any labels placed on anyone for any reason are all man-made anyway. People are Sexual - period. Probably many are actually BiSexual and do not even realize or admit that at least to themselves. That men have made the decision to label people is something entirely man-made. All people are Sexual beings regardless of who it is they are having Sex with - even themselves.

Masturbation is a variation of Sex because you are touching a Sexual part of you or your partner. Rubbing your/his neck or even a total body massage could also be considered Sex because this is something people do to themselves which could though not initially planned or does if that is their initial intention cause them Sexual release. Just massaging a part of yourself or someone else of couse does not mean that Sex will be the end result however it certainly could mean that depending on how long it is done and what methods are utilized and what one person's real intentions are whether planned or designed along the way to the "end".

If you will read this book for example: FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press) (it discusses Sex between Men in Florence Italy circa 1400-1500 A. D.) (since this did happen in this one town and it is documented that nearly 50% of the Male population was involved with each other Sexually, and consider this also was more than likely prevalent throughout the world as well) or this book by Bruce Bagmihl (which discusses Homosexuality and BiSexuality in the Animal Kingdom) you will see that "creature(s)... (do)....have Sex with the same gender" as well.

I am not confusing anything.

"Peace & love" (it is possible that love is Sexual love) to you too - see it depends on the persons and whether everything "clicks" between two people who are of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

"Propaganda"? No, I certainly am not spreading propaganda. I speaking totally truthfully. Religions which are Man-made spread propaganda - and brainwash. Study religions and their history with an open mind objectively. Learn and see for yourself. From history and even from present practices. Real learning looks at all sides of every subject and continues to do so throughout a persons lifetime because additional and new information becomes available all the time that at the time may not have been.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

You have shown me the light Foreman. I can see it clearly now.

Hi "I",

Can you also HEAR "clearly now"?

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by JordanMang

3% of all men who attempt self filatio(sp?) achieve their goal. Good luck!

Hi Jordan,

I don't know whether that percentage is accurate or where you saw that but I will say those that can HAVE "achieve(d) their goal" for damn sure - and probably are very happy Men.

If you look at www.amazon.com and type in "self-sucking" or "fellatio" you will see there are a number of books available that give advice on this.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Jordan,

By "truth" that is exactly what I mean. No bull. No brainwashing, etc. like religion (which is man-made) likes to do. I stand completely behind what I said to you.

As with the color of a person's skin so too is their Sexuality, as born, and a Gift from God along with all the other things He gives each of us. A person does not chose their Sexuality. Someone could say "I tried it and now I like it" but that is only really saying they WERE who they now "realize" " they are", as born. Some people take a long time to realize who they truly are.

As for good looking Men - I see them every day and I even work with them in construction . And in my everyday travels. Most Men I know do not go around flaunting what they have because what they have, and that they earned it honestly, speaks for itself. Men SEE other Men as they truly are.

If you masturbate you are a Man having sex with a Man even though you are one and the same Man and technically speaking (and in the final analysis it IS about the technical which decides and ends the controversary). Sure masturbation is a form of self-pleasure but you are still having Sex with a Man and so it follows that if you also masturbated your best Buddy the same applies as well. But that does not mean that both of you can not truly understand and appreciate - and ultimately enjoy - the help given whether given to yourself by yourself, help given to your Buddy by you or help he gives to you - everyone benefits as long as it is done with total respect, honor and dignity which is the only way I would ever do that speaking for me specifically. I never use others and they do not use me. Sex in any form is sacred and those I am involved with Sexually KNOW that is absolutely true - they have even told me that not because I asked them but they freely said that themselves.

You example of a blow-up doll - it depends on the Gender of the blow-up doll. And any labels placed on anyone for any reason are all man-made anyway. People are Sexual - period. Probably many are actually BiSexual and do not even realize or admit that at least to themselves. That men have made the decision to label people is something entirely man-made. All people are Sexual beings regardless of who it is they are having Sex with - even themselves.

Masturbation is a variation of Sex because you are touching a Sexual part of you or your partner. Rubbing your/his neck or even a total body massage could also be considered Sex because this is something people do to themselves which could though not initially planned or does if that is their initial intention cause them Sexual release. Just massaging a part of yourself or someone else of couse does not mean that Sex will be the end result however it certainly could mean that depending on how long it is done and what methods are utilized and what one person's real intentions are whether planned or designed along the way to the "end".

If you will read this book for example: FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press) (it discusses Sex between Men in Florence Italy circa 1400-1500 A. D.) (since this did happen in this one town and it is documented that nearly 50% of the Male population was involved with each other Sexually, and consider this also was more than likely prevalent throughout the world as well) or this book by Bruce Bagmihl (which discusses Homosexuality and BiSexuality in the Animal Kingdom) you will see that "creature(s)... (do)....have Sex with the same gender" as well.

I am not confusing anything.

"Peace & love" (it is possible that love is Sexual love) to you too - see it depends on the persons and whether everything "clicks" between two people who are of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

"Propaganda"? No, I certainly am not spreading propaganda. I speaking totally truthfully. Religions which are Man-made spread propaganda - and brainwash. Study religions and their history with an open mind objectively. Learn and see for yourself. From history and even from present practices. Real learning looks at all sides of every subject and continues to do so throughout a persons lifetime because additional and new information becomes available all the time that at the time may not have been.

Take Care, John H.

I think you're a completely confused individual who has no idea what he's talking about. But, beyond that I support you. And I'll skip the self-fellatio.

No, but my wife is and I LOVE IT and encourage it as much as I can

nice

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Jordan,

By "truth" that is exactly what I mean. No bull. No brainwashing, etc. like religion (which is man-made) likes to do. I stand completely behind what I said to you.

As with the color of a person's skin so too is their Sexuality, as born, and a Gift from God along with all the other things He gives each of us. A person does not chose their Sexuality. Someone could say "I tried it and now I like it" but that is only really saying they WERE who they now "realize" " they are", as born. Some people take a long time to realize who they truly are.

As for good looking Men - I see them every day and I even work with them in construction . And in my everyday travels. Most Men I know do not go around flaunting what they have because what they have, and that they earned it honestly, speaks for itself. Men SEE other Men as they truly are.

If you masturbate you are a Man having sex with a Man even though you are one and the same Man and technically speaking (and in the final analysis it IS about the technical which decides and ends the controversary). Sure masturbation is a form of self-pleasure but you are still having Sex with a Man and so it follows that if you also masturbated your best Buddy the same applies as well. But that does not mean that both of you can not truly understand and appreciate - and ultimately enjoy - the help given whether given to yourself by yourself, help given to your Buddy by you or help he gives to you - everyone benefits as long as it is done with total respect, honor and dignity which is the only way I would ever do that speaking for me specifically. I never use others and they do not use me. Sex in any form is sacred and those I am involved with Sexually KNOW that is absolutely true - they have even told me that not because I asked them but they freely said that themselves.

You example of a blow-up doll - it depends on the Gender of the blow-up doll. And any labels placed on anyone for any reason are all man-made anyway. People are Sexual - period. Probably many are actually BiSexual and do not even realize or admit that at least to themselves. That men have made the decision to label people is something entirely man-made. All people are Sexual beings regardless of who it is they are having Sex with - even themselves.

Masturbation is a variation of Sex because you are touching a Sexual part of you or your partner. Rubbing your/his neck or even a total body massage could also be considered Sex because this is something people do to themselves which could though not initially planned or does if that is their initial intention cause them Sexual release. Just massaging a part of yourself or someone else of couse does not mean that Sex will be the end result however it certainly could mean that depending on how long it is done and what methods are utilized and what one person's real intentions are whether planned or designed along the way to the "end".

If you will read this book for example: FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press) (it discusses Sex between Men in Florence Italy circa 1400-1500 A. D.) (since this did happen in this one town and it is documented that nearly 50% of the Male population was involved with each other Sexually, and consider this also was more than likely prevalent throughout the world as well) or this book by Bruce Bagmihl (which discusses Homosexuality and BiSexuality in the Animal Kingdom) you will see that "creature(s)... (do)....have Sex with the same gender" as well.

I am not confusing anything.

"Peace & love" (it is possible that love is Sexual love) to you too - see it depends on the persons and whether everything "clicks" between two people who are of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

"Propaganda"? No, I certainly am not spreading propaganda. I speaking totally truthfully. Religions which are Man-made spread propaganda - and brainwash. Study religions and their history with an open mind objectively. Learn and see for yourself. From history and even from present practices. Real learning looks at all sides of every subject and continues to do so throughout a persons lifetime because additional and new information becomes available all the time that at the time may not have been.

Take Care, John H.

The title of the book by Bruce Bagemihl is BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE - sorry I forgot to type that in in my initial post.

Originally Posted by John H.

The title of the book by Bruce Bagemihl is BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE - sorry I forgot to type that in in my initial post.

Hi John H.


How's it hangin'?

Take care,

BigDyl

Originally Posted by JordanMang

I do masturbate. This isn't homosexuality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality. Homosexuality is sex with a person of the same gender. I am not having sex. I am not inserting my penis into any orfaces. You're reasoning is false. For instance - let's say I fuck a blow-up doll ( BigDyl's favorite activity ) this isn't homosexual, bi-sexual, or heterosexual, you can't put a label on it. Masturbation is a form of self-pleasure.

It's self-sexuality, so therefore when you eventually lose your virginity, you will be bi-sexual in the sense that you are both self-sexual and hetero-sexual, meaning that some one who likes both men and women and masturbates is tri-sexual.

i have no qualms about having been with women but i think there is a vast difference between self sexuality and touching another person of the same sex. the acts are worlds apart. a man giving himself pleasure (or woman, herself) isn't feeling or thinking oh i'm so hot damn i want me.... it's just not the same as being attrcted to the same sex.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Hi John H.


How's it hangin'?

Take care,

BigDyl

Hi Big,

As I write this "straight up" actually ... And I thought I was "taken care of" - guess not long enough.... It seem to have a mind of its own - at least that has always been my experience....

Not bad, how's everything with you?

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by maniclion

It's self-sexuality, so therefore when you eventually lose your virginity, you will be bi-sexual in the sense that you are both self-sexual and hetero-sexual, meaning that some one who likes both men and women and masturbates is tri-sexual.

Hi Maniclion,

Actually he would also be Homosexual too since he is a Man having Sex with a Man even though that Man is one and the same Man. So you are actually right - he would be "tri-sexual" since he is Heterosexual, BiSexual AND Homosexual all wrapped into one....

It is all about Man-made labeling anyway - which is bull in my book. Another reason for some to find "reason" to run others down or somehow damn them. People ARE SEXUAL - PERIOD! As long as each person is happy and equally respected and cared about and dignity and honor prevail in any relationship I see no reason for any problems...

Take Care, John H.

I am all about man on man action and my 17'' penis is ready to go ata moment's notice.

I admit that I am, but I don't go in and stare down other guys or anything when at the gym.

Originally Posted by e2ksj3

I admit that I am, but I don't go in and stare down other guys or anything when at the gym.

I bet you're always keen to spot them while squatting.