Move Over Barry - Mickey Mantle Used Steroids

**Prince** · 07-29-2009, 11:53 AM

Move Over Barry - Mickey Mantle Used Steroids
By Joe Pietaro for MuscleSport Mag

What will they say now? All of the sportswriters who have been squawking about the so-called ’steroid era’ in baseball may have to modify their stance just a tad if the following is true: Mickey Mantle was given testosterone by a physician which caused an abcess in his hip during the 1961 season.

According to a story penned by Zev Chafets in ESPN the Magazine (Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN), the Mick was given a concoction of test and amphetamines in a dirty needle which caused the Yankee centerfielder to miss enough time during that famous summer. Both he and teammate Roger Maris were locked in a home run chase before Mantle’s injury forced him into the hospital. He finished with 52 home runs while Maris hit number 61 on the last day of the season to surpass Babe Ruth’s mark.

How Chafets, who wrote “Cooperstown Confidential: Heroes, Rogues and the Inside Story of the Baseball Hall of Fame,” also mentions that gaining that edge may have went all the way back to the nineteenth century. A pitcher named Pud Galvin is said to have injected monkey testosterone in 1889.

Just how Chafets came across this information remains to be seen. It appears to be a good way to market his book. According to records, Harvard professor Charles-Edouard Brown-Sequard self-injected a substance consisting of the extracts of dog and guinea pig testicles but there was not any significant progress in that field until 1927.

Galvin, baseball’s first 300-game winner and member of the Hall of Fame, was one of Brown-Sequard’s test subjects during a study at a medical college in Pittsburgh. What was called an ‘elixir’ at the time was widely praised by the Washington Post, with the telling line being, “It is the best proof yet furnished of the value of the discovery.”

On the Mantle issue, all the reports state is that a doctor gave him an injection which caused him a great deal of pain in his hip. It later turned into an abscess and eventually shut him down in September. What exactly was in that injection is the million dollar question.

Of course frequency and intent hold a lot of integrity in many people’s minds, but the old ‘pure’ days may be a little different than many were made to believe. One shot of test is not going to do anything for you, especially a professional athlete, but if critics were killing today’s players for admitting to using on only a handful of occasions -which in of itself is ridiculous - then they have to keep their minds open if the Mantle reports are in fact valid.

The early 1960s is the period where bodybuilders began using performance-enhancing drugs more regularly so it is not out of the realm of possibility that a doctor treating an athlete, ie

a baseball player, would have known that the use testosterone would have a positive affect on physical performance.

So the next time that an argument starts going towards the modern day players all being cheaters, that can be counteracted by stating that two Hall of Famers were doing it, too.

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min0 lee · 07-29-2009, 04:59 PM

It was once and it actually ended his season.
This I believe was the year Maris hit 61 homers.
The M & M boys were neck and neck in their chase for the homer title.

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 05:05 PM

If they were on the same team and both were trying for the record, does this mean Roger was doing the stuff too ?

Maybe that's why the Micks needle was dirty?

min0 lee · 07-29-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronAddict

If they were on the same team and both were trying for the record, does this mean Roger was doing the stuff too ?

Maybe that's why the Micks needle was dirty?

No, Roger didn't shoot up.
It was only Mick.

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

No, Roger didn't shoot up.
It was only Mick.

For sure, for sure ?

Maybe that's the real reason his hair was falling out so rapidly.

**IainDaniel** · 07-29-2009, 05:48 PM

They still all used amphetamines back then.

Which would get them a PED suspension now.

min0 lee · 07-29-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronAddict

For sure, for sure ?

Maybe that's the real reason his hair was falling out so rapidly.

It was the stress, his balls didn't shrink so he was still clean.

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

It was the stress, his balls didn't shrink so he was still clean.

And you know this bit of information, how ?

That Mantle, that guy was classic wasn't he ?

Where would he stand in your list of greatest Yankees, Min0 ?

Where would you put Maris ?

Just out of curiosity, no entertainment value at all.

min0 lee · 07-29-2009, 06:27 PM

Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle or Dimaggio
Berra
Rivera
Dicky
Lazzeri
Gomez
Mattingly
Ford
Guidry
Goose Goosage
Maris
Reggie
Jeter

that's on the top of my head

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle or Dimaggio
Berra
Rivera
Dicky
Lazzeri
Gomez
Mattingly
Ford
Guidry
Goose Goosage
Maris
Reggie
Jeter

that's on the top of my head

Cool, was just curious to see if Maris would crack a Yankee fans top 10 list.

That is all, we now continue with our regular broadcast already in progress.

min0 lee · 07-29-2009, 06:39 PM

I never saw him play but from I read he had a great arm and was very underrated.

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I never saw him play but from I read he had a great arm and was very underrated.

Yeah, and he had quite a career before he was even a Yankee.

From what I've also heard about the guy is he really excelled at foofball too, and was recruited to play for Oklahoma, but I guess he chose baseball instead. A pretty good choice.

BigPapaPump68 · 07-29-2009, 06:51 PM

If you ever saw the move 61, they showed his abscess on there

IronAddict · 07-29-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

If you ever saw the move 61, they showed his abscess on there

That was a good movie.

HBO, puts out some quality television.

Triple Threat · 07-29-2009, 07:10 PM

Were steroids illegal in 1961?

**IainDaniel** · 07-30-2009, 07:15 AM

No.... nor were amphetamines.

BigPapaPump68 · 07-30-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronAddict

That was a good movie.

HBO, puts out some quality television.

If I remember correctly, Billy Crystal acutally produced the movie. I know that he's obsessed witht the yankees.

**Prince** · 07-30-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Were steroids illegal in 1961?

The history of the U.S. legislation on anabolic steroids goes back to the late 1980s, when the U.S. Congress considered placing anabolic steroids under the Controlled Substances Act following the controversy over Ben Johnson's victory at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul. During deliberations, the American Medical Association (AMA), Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as well as the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) all opposed listing anabolic steroids as controlled substances, citing the fact that use of these hormones does not lead to the physical or psychological dependence required for such scheduling under the Controlled Substance Act. Nevertheless, anabolic steroids were added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990.[103] The same act also introduced more stringent controls with higher criminal penalties for offenses involving the illegal distribution of anabolic steroids and human growth hormone. By the early 1990s, after anabolic steroids were scheduled in the U.S., several pharmaceutical companies stopped manufacturing or marketing the products in the U.S., including Ciba, Searle, Syntex and others. In the Controlled Substances Act, anabolic steroids are defined to be any drug or hormonal substance chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, and corticosteroids) that promote muscle growth. The act was amended by the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004, which added prohormones to the list of controlled substances, with effect from January 20, 2005.[104]

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**P-funk** · 07-30-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle or Dimaggio
Berra
Rivera
Dicky
Lazzeri
Gomez
Mattingly
Ford
Guidry
Goose Goosage
Maris
Reggie
Jeter

that's on the top of my head

You forgot Strawberry and Gooden.....jerk.

patrick

**Prince** · 07-30-2009, 01:56 PM

Times: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in '03 | MLB.com: News

min0 lee · 07-30-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

You forgot Strawberry and Gooden.....jerk.

patrick

To me they were more Met than Yankee.

IronAddict · 07-30-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

If I remember correctly, Billy Crystal acutally produced the movie. I know that he's obsessed witht the yankees.

That's right, I'd forgotten about him. His obsession with the Yankees sounds awfully, no eerily familiar.

But that really was a good story, and a pretty good movie.

YouTube Video

**P-funk** · 07-30-2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

To me they were more Met than Yankee.

Okay. I'll buy that.

Curious though, you do not have Paul O'Neil on that list. I always thought he was a great Yankee.

patrick

min0 lee · 07-30-2009, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

Okay. I'll buy that.

Curious though, you do not have Paul O'Neil on that list. I always thought he was a great Yankee.

patrick

They are so rich in history....love the hustle he brought to the game.
He would be the second tier.
O'Neil
Sparky Lyle
Bernie Williams
Nettles
Munson

So many to list.

min0 lee · 07-30-2009, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronAddict

That's right, I'd forgotten about him. His obsession with the Yankees sounds awfully, no eerily familiar.

But that really was a good story, and a pretty good movie.

YouTube Video

I never got to see this. I will soon.

IronAddict · 07-31-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I never got to see this. I will soon.

Really ? I thought you would have this on dvd!

It's a decent movie, not shakespeare, but it's well worth watching, pretty entertaining.

07-29-2009, 11:53 AM	#1
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,407 Photos: 356	Move Over Barry - Mickey Mantle Used Steroids Move Over Barry - Mickey Mantle Used Steroids By Joe Pietaro for MuscleSport Mag What will they say now? All of the sportswriters who have been squawking about the so-called ’steroid era’ in baseball may have to modify their stance just a tad if the following is true: Mickey Mantle was given testosterone by a physician which caused an abcess in his hip during the 1961 season. According to a story penned by Zev Chafets in ESPN the Magazine (Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN), the Mick was given a concoction of test and amphetamines in a dirty needle which caused the Yankee centerfielder to miss enough time during that famous summer. Both he and teammate Roger Maris were locked in a home run chase before Mantle’s injury forced him into the hospital. He finished with 52 home runs while Maris hit number 61 on the last day of the season to surpass Babe Ruth’s mark. How Chafets, who wrote “Cooperstown Confidential: Heroes, Rogues and the Inside Story of the Baseball Hall of Fame,” also mentions that gaining that edge may have went all the way back to the nineteenth century. A pitcher named Pud Galvin is said to have injected monkey testosterone in 1889. Just how Chafets came across this information remains to be seen. It appears to be a good way to market his book. According to records, Harvard professor Charles-Edouard Brown-Sequard self-injected a substance consisting of the extracts of dog and guinea pig testicles but there was not any significant progress in that field until 1927. Galvin, baseball’s first 300-game winner and member of the Hall of Fame, was one of Brown-Sequard’s test subjects during a study at a medical college in Pittsburgh. What was called an ‘elixir’ at the time was widely praised by the Washington Post, with the telling line being, “It is the best proof yet furnished of the value of the discovery.” On the Mantle issue, all the reports state is that a doctor gave him an injection which caused him a great deal of pain in his hip. It later turned into an abscess and eventually shut him down in September. What exactly was in that injection is the million dollar question. Of course frequency and intent hold a lot of integrity in many people’s minds, but the old ‘pure’ days may be a little different than many were made to believe. One shot of test is not going to do anything for you, especially a professional athlete, but if critics were killing today’s players for admitting to using on only a handful of occasions -which in of itself is ridiculous - then they have to keep their minds open if the Mantle reports are in fact valid. The early 1960s is the period where bodybuilders began using performance-enhancing drugs more regularly so it is not out of the realm of possibility that a doctor treating an athlete, ie a baseball player, would have known that the use testosterone would have a positive affect on physical performance. So the next time that an argument starts going towards the modern day players all being cheaters, that can be counteracted by stating that two Hall of Famers were doing it, too. source BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

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