Official Gracie Versus Hughes Thread

BigDyl · 05-17-2006, 09:56 AM

Who will win?

Discuss.

I'm not sure who will win. I'm afraid Gracie is too old now...

Goodfella9783 · 05-17-2006, 10:05 AM

Good thread...Hughes. Too overpowering for Gracie IMO. Great wrestler too (He's also capable of submitting opponents as we've seen). And that combination could defeat superior Jiu-Jitsu.

ReproMan · 05-17-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm gonna have to go with Hughes. As much as I don't like him, I just feel Gracie is a little too old and will be over powered.

Doublebase · 05-17-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I'm gonna have to go with Hughes. As much as I don't like him, I just feel Gracie is a little too old and will be over powered.

I agree. Gracie has a lot of respect but Hughes is the best fighter pound for pound. I don't really like Hughes either. I can't wait to watch it next weekend.

Goodfella9783 · 05-17-2006, 10:35 AM

I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.

fUnc17 · 05-17-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.

The reason why he has done that is because several times opponents have tapped and he has let go of the arm bar/choke out, etc.. and the ref wasnt able to see him tap and/or the opponent argued he never tapped... so he keeps the submission to make absolutely certain.

As far as the fight... gracie will have his hands full with matt hughes. It all depends how hughes plays the fight, if it goes to the ground and hughes makes just one mistake its over. Hughes has to be perfect. I think hughes is going to be overly anxious to end it early and gracie will take advantage of it.. I expect a nervous matt hughes.

I am pulling for gracie, I cannot stand matt hughes. Also, my jiu jitsu instructor was adopted by royce gracie's family so naturally I have to root for him.

naturaltan · 05-17-2006, 12:18 PM

I agree with FUnc ... I think if Hughes makes a mistake on the ground, it's over. Matt is very good, but to Gracies credit, he has been in with much bigger guys than himself, so with that, it will be interesting to see how much G&P Gracie will be able to take.

BigDyl · 05-17-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.

It's because of guy like Shamrock. After Gracie tapped him, he let go, and Shamrock pretended that he didn't tap. This is why he held them until the Ref could cleary see the tapout.

Also, I've been to a few competitions, and guys will not tap. They'll let there friggin' arm break first.

BigDyl · 05-17-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

The reason why he has done that is because several times opponents have tapped and he has let go of the arm bar/choke out, etc.. and the ref wasnt able to see him tap and/or the opponent argued he never tapped... so he keeps the submission to make absolutely certain.

As far as the fight... gracie will have his hands full with matt hughes. It all depends how hughes plays the fight, if it goes to the ground and hughes makes just one mistake its over. Hughes has to be perfect. I think hughes is going to be overly anxious to end it early and gracie will take advantage of it.. I expect a nervous matt hughes.

I am pulling for gracie, I cannot stand matt hughes. Also, my jiu jitsu instructor was adopted by royce gracie's family so naturally I have to root for him.

How long have you been training bjj?

fUnc17 · 05-17-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

How long have you been training bjj?

Not long at all. I actually just officially training in a traditional setting... although my good friend and I always use to go to the beach and roll and I have followed bjj for awhile... as well as practicing arnese (filipino martial arts) and kali with my dad. (stick and knife)

Goodfella9783 · 05-17-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

It's because of guy like Shamrock. After Gracie tapped him, he let go, and Shamrock pretended that he didn't tap. This is why he held them until the Ref could cleary see the tapout.

Also, I've been to a few competitions, and guys will not tap. They'll let there friggin' arm break first.

Yeah I understand that. But I've seen him hold it even after the ref is tryin to tug him off the guy.

Lol, I remember that fight with Shamrock. Actually tried cheating, that was bad.

Doublebase · 05-17-2006, 03:40 PM

Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it.

topolo · 05-17-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it.

I can't wait for you to have your first sexual encounter with a female.

TJ Cline · 05-17-2006, 07:00 PM

**IainDaniel** · 05-17-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it.

You'll be waiting a long time. Tito's injuries will prevent him from fighting

BigDyl · 05-17-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

You'll be waiting a long time. Tito's injuries will prevent him from fighting

Yes... his "injuries..."

**IainDaniel** · 05-17-2006, 08:38 PM

Actually just looked around. And the fight might be back on. I dunno, guess will just have to wait and see

Goodfella9783 · 05-17-2006, 08:57 PM

Yeah I doubt Tito will fall out because of the knee (I think it's a knee?)...Especially since Shamrock fought Tito with a messed up ACL.

bigss75 · 05-17-2006, 11:16 PM

I think hughes will keep it standing and knock em out. Gracie is one tough sob but he is too old to fight hughes who is in his prime.

fufu · 05-17-2006, 11:42 PM

when is this fight,.

Goodfella9783 · 05-18-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fufu

when is this fight,.

A week from Saturday (27th).

Doublebase · 05-18-2006, 11:41 AM

topolo · 05-18-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

4/27

What an idiot you are it is May dumbshit.

Doublebase · 05-18-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by topolo

What an idiot you are it is May dumbshit.

I was just making sure you were paying attention. Good job.

BigDyl · 05-18-2006, 04:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6SK...royce%20gracie

Doublebase · 05-18-2006, 04:42 PM

sounds like video game music in the background. Awesome vid though.

Double D · 05-18-2006, 04:55 PM

After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!

Goodfella9783 · 05-18-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!

What about when Royce fought Kimo though? His strength def. gave Royce a run for his money. And Matt Hughes is the total package. He's as strong as a bull, can wrestle, he's versed in submissions (remember when he submitted St. Pierre?), and he's got one of the best ground and pound games. I hope it's a good fight, I just don't see Royce winning it because of his age mostly.

Doublebase · 05-18-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!

What is with all the exclimation points! Are you yelling while typing!

BigDyl · 05-18-2006, 06:27 PM

Yeah, I agree that I'm sick of people talking about Hughes strength. Please, it's NEVER been about strength, why would it start now?

I do agree, Royces age has me scared.

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05-17-2006, 12:18 PM	#7
naturaltan Going nowhere fast! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 9,948 Photos: 7	I agree with FUnc ... I think if Hughes makes a mistake on the ground, it's over. Matt is very good, but to Gracies credit, he has been in with much bigger guys than himself, so with that, it will be interesting to see how much G&P Gracie will be able to take. just kick'in it in the ole Charger

05-17-2006, 03:40 PM	#12
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 7,325	Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it. "A child does not learn to squat from the top down -- in other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and makes the conscious decision to stand." - Gray Cook

05-17-2006, 07:00 PM	#14
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	#9

05-17-2006, 08:38 PM	#17
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,550	Actually just looked around. And the fight might be back on. I dunno, guess will just have to wait and see Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

05-17-2006, 10:05 AM	#2
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	Good thread...Hughes. Too overpowering for Gracie IMO. Great wrestler too (He's also capable of submitting opponents as we've seen). And that combination could defeat superior Jiu-Jitsu.

05-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#3
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	I'm gonna have to go with Hughes. As much as I don't like him, I just feel Gracie is a little too old and will be over powered.

05-17-2006, 10:35 AM	#5
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.

05-17-2006, 08:57 PM	#18
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	Yeah I doubt Tito will fall out because of the knee (I think it's a knee?)...Especially since Shamrock fought Tito with a messed up ACL.

05-17-2006, 11:16 PM	#19
bigss75 Let Me See Yo Grill Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,125	I think hughes will keep it standing and knock em out. Gracie is one tough sob but he is too old to fight hughes who is in his prime.

05-17-2006, 11:42 PM	#20
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,732 Photos: 8	when is this fight,. fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

05-18-2006, 11:41 AM	#22
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 7,325	4/27 "A child does not learn to squat from the top down -- in other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and makes the conscious decision to stand." - Gray Cook

05-18-2006, 04:42 PM	#26
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 7,325	sounds like video game music in the background. Awesome vid though. "A child does not learn to squat from the top down -- in other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and makes the conscious decision to stand." - Gray Cook

05-18-2006, 04:55 PM	#27
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,460 Photos: 1	After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!

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