Matt Hughes Sucks

Goodfella9783 · 06-01-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

You know nothing about his History. His first match was against Zulu the Brazilian Brawler. Zulu was 160-0. Then he met an 20 year old Rickson and got owned.

There is a history of his matches if you search for it, and it's not all unknowns. He has gone against much larger guys, and has never been defeated. He is also much stronger than Hoyce and has alot better striking, and even ground skills.

Goodfella9783 · 06-01-2006, 07:47 PM

Goodfella9783 · 06-01-2006, 07:48 PM

Goodfella9783 · 06-01-2006, 07:48 PM

BigDyl · 06-01-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

What's so funny?

Yeah, you see Royce in those pics. He doesn't know jiu jitsu, and therefor cannot escape the position.

BigDyl · 06-01-2006, 08:35 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1058&q=rickson

BigDyl · 06-01-2006, 08:35 PM

Oh, and Rickson won a good medal in Sambo.

Goodfella9783 · 06-01-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1058&q=rickson

If I wanted to see someone swimming and running on the beach I would just watch Rocky III. Hell there was even a guy in that highlight wearing Apollo's flag trunks.

But that video is not very impressive to me. The 4??-0 record is bullshit and he hasn't stepped into the ring with anyone worth mentioning. Royce impresses me a helluva lot more.

BoneCrusher · 06-01-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

Yea that fight was bullshit. Gracie could've EASILY gotten out when hughes was on top beating him the fuck down. He had his hooks in deep but gracie had a easy ass exit! My BJJ intstructor showed me exactly how to get out of what gracie was in, what a fucking joke. I find it ridiculous for gracie to even of given hughes his back in the first place.. but to not get out of it?

and ditto to the steroid usage. MMA training eats the shit out of your LBM and if you can preserve it by juicing up that gives an enormous advantage to guys like matt hughes.

Buck, Arch, and back door is beginner BJJ stuff.
So are the hooks on either arm to prevent that.

I just spent about 20 minutes reversing and replaying that fight and have come to some conclusions:

Double under-hooks kept Gracie from getting the recovery to guard. Gracie tried to back door but Hughes prevented the escape with under-arm hooks and then pinned him flat again with back cranks. Each time Gracie tried to arch or back door again he was hooked and pounded on. Hughes rained down head shots both over and under Gracie's arms or dropped elbows like wreaking balls. Gracie was left with trying to protect his head with the his arms out in front of him and Big John was left with nothing but a stopage. Gracie had little chance if any to get out of this after 20 or 30 seconds because he was dazed out. After the stopage he was wobbled while still on his knees. He recovered well after 60 seconds.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone here ... it's just that Gracie was plain and simply beat by Hughes. If he was gonna throw this then why get in the game in the first place? He has way to much pride in himself and toooooo much respect for the legacy he and his family have created to throw a fight for a second rate organization like the UFC. There is just no real gain financially for Royce Gracie considering how successful he has been setting up BJJ training facilities across the country. FFS his dad was right there in the seats watching this. No way in hell he would throw a fight with his father there watching. His brothers would have had to be in on the fix too ... and that is just not possible. Bottom line, under-training, over confidence, and a loss of the level of reflexes and speed needed to compete at that level all combined to beat Gracie.

I like ya BD and believe you really do train ... unlike some of these others around here who only wish they did ... so don't take this personally.

musclepump · 06-01-2006, 11:07 PM

Hughes is on the juice (I know the guy that sells it to one of his trainers). Big deal.

Goodfella9783 · 06-02-2006, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Buck, Arch, and back door is beginner BJJ stuff.
So are the hooks on either arm to prevent that.

I just spent about 20 minutes reversing and replaying that fight and have come to some conclusions:

Double under-hooks kept Gracie from getting the recovery to guard. Gracie tried to back door but Hughes prevented the escape with under-arm hooks and then pinned him flat again with back cranks. Each time Gracie tried to arch or back door again he was hooked and pounded on. Hughes rained down head shots both over and under Gracie's arms or dropped elbows like wreaking balls. Gracie was left with trying to protect his head with the his arms out in front of him and Big John was left with nothing but a stopage. Gracie had little chance if any to get out of this after 20 or 30 seconds because he was dazed out. After the stopage he was wobbled while still on his knees. He recovered well after 60 seconds.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone here ... it's just that Gracie was plain and simply beat by Hughes. If he was gonna throw this then why get in the game in the first place? He has way to much pride in himself and toooooo much respect for the legacy he and his family have created to throw a fight for a second rate organization like the UFC. There is just no real gain financially for Royce Gracie considering how successful he has been setting up BJJ training facilities across the country. FFS his dad was right there in the seats watching this. No way in hell he would throw a fight with his father there watching. His brothers would have had to be in on the fix too ... and that is just not possible. Bottom line, under-training, over confidence, and a loss of the level of reflexes and speed needed to compete at that level all combined to beat Gracie.

I like ya BD and believe you really do train ... unlike some of these others around here who only wish they did ... so don't take this personally.

Bingo.

BigDyl · 06-02-2006, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Hughes is on the juice (I know the guy that sells it to one of his trainers). Big deal.

Owned.

BigDyl · 06-02-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Bingo.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-02-2006, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Hughes is on the juice (I know the guy that sells it to one of his trainers). Big deal.

Fake story.

BigDyl · 06-02-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Fake story.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-02-2006, 07:25 AM

You honestly believe that he knows a guy that supplies Matt Hughes' trainer with steroids, and that Matt Hughes' trainer would be stupid enough to go to a steroid dealer and go, "Hey, I need steroids for my client, UFC fighter Matt Hughes"?

musclepump · 06-02-2006, 09:27 AM

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You honestly believe that he knows a guy that supplies Matt Hughes' trainer with steroids, and that Matt Hughes' trainer would be stupid enough to go to a steroid dealer and go, "Hey, I need steroids for my client, UFC fighter Matt Hughes"?

When they've all been friends since they wrestled together in college... yes.

I like Hughes (though I didn't think he'd beat Royce), I'm not trying to bring him down; my point is just that yes, he's on steroids, but who cares? I'm positive he isn't the only one.

BigDyl · 06-02-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

When they've all been friends since they wrestled together in college... yes.

I like Hughes (though I didn't think he'd beat Royce), I'm not trying to bring him down; my point is just that yes, he's on steroids, but who cares? I'm positive he isn't the only one.

I knew it. Case closed.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-02-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Case closed.

Fake Story.

musclepump · 06-02-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Fake Story.

You're right Dale, Hughes doesn't take steroids. Neither does Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler.

Is Hughes so much your hero you can't accept he uses a little sauce?

Doublebase · 06-02-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

You're right Dale, Hughes doesn't take steroids. Neither does Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler.

Is Hughes so much your hero you can't accept he uses a little sauce?

I hate steroids. You can't say 100% that he is on steroids. Don't they test for this crap anymore?

bigss75 · 06-02-2006, 10:40 AM

Well Tim Sylvia got busted awhile ago for it. So I'm sure they test for it.

BoneCrusher · 06-02-2006, 11:03 AM

MMA is all about smashing heads and submissions ... no gives a shit about roid usage.

Dana White: "Matt you're really selling seats out there for us ... but I gotta have ya piss in this cup". Not happinin'. Ditto Pride, K1, KOTC, or any other one of the 10 odd existing MMA shows out there. Guess what? Nobody cares.

DO some of the guys in shootbox juice? A Gracie or two since it's all legal in South America? Prolly ...

... again who cares.

I look forward to GSP meeting up with Hughes later this year so we can all be on the same side again ...

BoneCrusher · 06-02-2006, 11:07 AM

THe only thing UFC owners care about is that they get fighters to fight for next to nothing.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-02-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

You can't say 100% that he is on steroids. Don't they test for this crap anymore?

This was my point, neither of you know he did, BigDyl is just pissed that he needs to come up with an owned picture for his idol.

I couldn't give 2 shits about Hughes, I like the light heavyweights/heavyweights.

As BC stated, Dana White doesn't care if they juice, in order to get licensed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission they have to test and document the testing.

Goodfella9783 · 06-02-2006, 05:34 PM

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You have absolutely no respect for the Gracie family then. Great student

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BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,545	MMA is all about smashing heads and submissions ... no gives a shit about roid usage. Dana White: "Matt you're really selling seats out there for us ... but I gotta have ya piss in this cup". Not happinin'. Ditto Pride, K1, KOTC, or any other one of the 10 odd existing MMA shows out there. Guess what? Nobody cares. DO some of the guys in shootbox juice? A Gracie or two since it's all legal in South America? Prolly ... ... again who cares. I look forward to GSP meeting up with Hughes later this year so we can all be on the same side again ...

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