Iverson traded to Denver

the nut · 12-20-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I've been an Iverson fan since I first saw him play. To me he's at least top 5 or 10 all-time.

oaktownboy · 12-20-2006, 08:36 PM

iverson is a killer for teams. He is selfish and won't hesitate to blame his coach or teammates for a disappointing season. great player; horrible teammate

Triple Threat · 12-20-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I've been an Iverson fan since I first saw him play. To me he's at least top 5 or 10 all-time.

He's certainly a great player, but I wouldn't rank him in the top 10.

**P-funk** · 12-20-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

iverson is a killer for teams.

isn't he a person killer also? Wasn't he accused of killing someone? Something with a shooting? Maybe he didn't do it, but I thought he was in the center of some controversy like that?

Goodfella9783 · 12-20-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

isn't he a person killer also? Wasn't he accused of killing someone? Something with a shooting? Maybe he didn't do it, but I thought he was in the center of some controversy like that?

No he went to get his wife from her cousins house and had a gun on him or something like that. I don't think he is a murderer

. There would have been a little more media coverage on that one. When he was a teenager he served time for assaulting a chick. That's the only violent offense I can think of.

Goodfella9783 · 12-20-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

He's certainly a great player, but I wouldn't rank him in the top 10.

I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you.

goandykid · 12-20-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

iverson is a killer for teams. He is selfish and won't hesitate to blame his coach or teammates for a disappointing season. great player; horrible teammate

Terrible. Most of his teammates swear by him, and in a recent interview w/ Stephen A. it looked like eh was gonna cry when Stephen A. mentioned his (now former) teammates. You've been watching a little too much Skip Bayless. (sp?)

the nut · 12-20-2006, 09:30 PM

Brown may rejoin 76ers with Iverson gone
DAN GELSTON
Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA - Larry Brown may be back with the 76ers now that Allen Iverson is gone. Already acting as an unofficial adviser to the Philadelphia 76ers and team president Billy King, Brown could formally return to the organization he led to the 2001 NBA Finals.

"We will certainly continue to talk, but at this point, we are not sure if anything official will come of it," King said in an e-mail to The Associated Press on Wednesday night.

Brown's agent, Joe Glass, indicated in a brief interview that Brown could return to Philadelphia. The Knicks fired Brown in June after he went 23-59 in his only season in New York.

"However it's going to be characterized, will come out in the next couple of days," Glass said.

Glass was vague on what kind of announcement should be expected.

"I'd much rather have it come out of the Sixers office," Glass said, ending a brief phone interview with the AP on Wednesday night.

Brown, who had a contentious relationship with Iverson during his six seasons as Philly's coach, moved back to the area after he was fired by the Knicks. King consulted with Brown on the Iverson trade, which ended with the former MVP dealt to Denver on Tuesday.

"I will still be talking to Larry. Beyond that, I am not sure," King said before the 76ers' game against Indiana on Wednesday night.

Brown has been King's mentor since he hired him as an assistant coach in Indiana. When Brown came to Philadelphia in 1997, he brought King with him as vice president of basketball administration. King was named team president after Brown resigned in 2003.

"Larry is a great friend and tremendous asset who I have talked to numerous times during the season," King said.

While Brown has stayed behind the scenes in Philadelphia, he's visited some Sixers practices this season and attended a game against Miami. He also is still friends with team chairman Ed Snider.

"It's strictly up to Billy King. I'd welcome him if Billy decided he wanted him," Snider said at halftime Wednesday night. "He's a basketball man. He's also a coach, but he has a tremendous basketball mind."

A Hall of Famer and one of basketball's most well-traveled coaches, Brown's job with the 76ers was his longest tenure with any team in his 34-year coaching career. He took the job at Detroit and led the Pistons to an NBA title in the first of his two seasons there before bolting for one disastrous year in New York.

Brown criticized players through the media and talked to the press without a public relations official present, both violating Dolan's policies. Also, the Knicks said Brown undermined team president Isiah Thomas by making trade offers to other teams, which he wasn't authorized to do.

The Knicks withheld the remainder of Brown's contract, which had four years and more than $40 million remaining, saying they fired Brown for cause. The dispute went before commissioner David Stern, but the sides agreed to a compromise in October before Stern's ruling, in which Brown got $18.5 million and both sides were freed of any future obligations to each other.

goandykid · 12-20-2006, 09:36 PM

Billy King is a joke, but atleast Larry might find a home.

the nut · 12-20-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you.

Well, if you list the best players ever, he definitely not top ten. Actually he wouldn't even be one of the top ten shooting gaurds or point gaurds all time.

If you're talking top ten players now, he make some "experts' lists and be left off others.

goandykid · 12-20-2006, 09:51 PM

As far as active guards he's in my Top 10 too. Top 50 alltime, not 10.

Goodfella9783 · 12-20-2006, 09:51 PM

I was talking all time, but I guess list your top 10 SG and we'll compare.

Goodfella9783 · 12-20-2006, 10:07 PM

Iverson interview coming up on ESPN2 Quite Frankly right after this Arkansas/Texas game.

Goodfella9783 · 12-20-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by the nut

Well, if you list the best players ever, he definitely not top ten. Actually he wouldn't even be one of the top ten shooting gaurds or point gaurds all time.

If you're talking top ten players now, he make some "experts' lists and be left off others.

Which SG's do you rank above AI all-time?

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Iverson interview coming up on ESPN2 Quite Frankly right after this Arkansas/Texas game.

good interview

oaktownboy · 12-21-2006, 02:31 AM

steven smith will butter him up probably, like he does with most of his black guests. he should interview larry brown and all the other coaches he threw under the bus. Larry would have words for him.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 08:43 AM

I can't stand Steven A. Smith. His voice is so damn anoying.

ReproMan · 12-21-2006, 08:47 AM

The reason Iverson has always appeared to be selfish is because he has been the only talent on the Sixers for the last decade. If he didn't take/make the shots, nobody else would. Look for him to play like he did a few years ago at the All-Star game when he won MVP. I think this is the best thing that could have possibly happened to AI, Carmello, and the Nuggets.

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

The reason Iverson has always appeared to be selfish is because he has been the only talent on the Sixers for the last decade. If he didn't take/make the shots, nobody else would. Look for him to play like he did a few years ago at the All-Star game when he won MVP. I think this is the best thing that could have possibly happened to AI, Carmello, and the Nuggets.

No really, he had what's his alien looking name play along side him and he was a gunner.....he hated playing with IE.
And the other guy.....damn, I losing my memory.

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I can't stand Steven A. Smith. His voice is so damn anoying.

Tell me about it, when they have him on the radio at work I always switch the station.

He tends to play the race card a bit too much in my opinion.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 09:12 AM

He had chris webber

A great player makes players around him good.

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

He had chris webber

Right, and that other guy.....

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 09:13 AM

Keith Van vorn

Derrick Coleman?

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:13 AM

Stackhouse!
Not a star but a good #2 player.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 09:14 AM

Jamal Mashburn

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:15 AM

Not such bad company.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Tell me about it, when they have him on the radio at work I always switch the station.

He tends to play the race card a bit too much in my opinion.

I agree.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Stackhouse!
Not a star but a good #2 player.

He only played with stackhouse his first 2 seasons in the NBA 96-97, 97-98

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 09:17 AM

IE dribbles.....showboats......then dribbles.....crossover.....profiles.....waves at his mama......shooots...misses...teammates could get the rebound because they fell alseep.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 09:18 AM

Look, plain and simple, it takes a team effort to make it to the NBA playoffs. AI had to have team mates to make it that far. He didn't do it by himself, this wasn't a one man effort. He may have led the team to the playoffs. But, there was a team around him and they had to have been decent enough to get them that far. If those players were that bad, the 76ers would not have made it to the playoffs.

Also, lets not forget that AI did play on an Olympic team, stacked with great players......they didn't win a gold medal. So, where the fuck was this great player then?

12-20-2006, 09:30 PM	#38
the nut And the winner is...... Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quahog, RI Posts: 2,258 Photos: 6	Brown may rejoin 76ers with Iverson gone DAN GELSTON Associated Press PHILADELPHIA - Larry Brown may be back with the 76ers now that Allen Iverson is gone. Already acting as an unofficial adviser to the Philadelphia 76ers and team president Billy King, Brown could formally return to the organization he led to the 2001 NBA Finals. "We will certainly continue to talk, but at this point, we are not sure if anything official will come of it," King said in an e-mail to The Associated Press on Wednesday night. Brown's agent, Joe Glass, indicated in a brief interview that Brown could return to Philadelphia. The Knicks fired Brown in June after he went 23-59 in his only season in New York. "However it's going to be characterized, will come out in the next couple of days," Glass said. Glass was vague on what kind of announcement should be expected. "I'd much rather have it come out of the Sixers office," Glass said, ending a brief phone interview with the AP on Wednesday night. Brown, who had a contentious relationship with Iverson during his six seasons as Philly's coach, moved back to the area after he was fired by the Knicks. King consulted with Brown on the Iverson trade, which ended with the former MVP dealt to Denver on Tuesday. "I will still be talking to Larry. Beyond that, I am not sure," King said before the 76ers' game against Indiana on Wednesday night. Brown has been King's mentor since he hired him as an assistant coach in Indiana. When Brown came to Philadelphia in 1997, he brought King with him as vice president of basketball administration. King was named team president after Brown resigned in 2003. "Larry is a great friend and tremendous asset who I have talked to numerous times during the season," King said. While Brown has stayed behind the scenes in Philadelphia, he's visited some Sixers practices this season and attended a game against Miami. He also is still friends with team chairman Ed Snider. "It's strictly up to Billy King. I'd welcome him if Billy decided he wanted him," Snider said at halftime Wednesday night. "He's a basketball man. He's also a coach, but he has a tremendous basketball mind." A Hall of Famer and one of basketball's most well-traveled coaches, Brown's job with the 76ers was his longest tenure with any team in his 34-year coaching career. He took the job at Detroit and led the Pistons to an NBA title in the first of his two seasons there before bolting for one disastrous year in New York. Brown criticized players through the media and talked to the press without a public relations official present, both violating Dolan's policies. Also, the Knicks said Brown undermined team president Isiah Thomas by making trade offers to other teams, which he wasn't authorized to do. The Knicks withheld the remainder of Brown's contract, which had four years and more than $40 million remaining, saying they fired Brown for cause. The dispute went before commissioner David Stern, but the sides agreed to a compromise in October before Stern's ruling, in which Brown got $18.5 million and both sides were freed of any future obligations to each other. *I hope that donkey doesn't have a heinie troll!*

12-20-2006, 09:36 PM	#39
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	Billy King is a joke, but atleast Larry might find a home. You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

12-20-2006, 09:51 PM	#41
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	As far as active guards he's in my Top 10 too. Top 50 alltime, not 10. You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

12-21-2006, 08:43 AM	#47
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,700	I can't stand Steven A. Smith. His voice is so damn anoying. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	He had chris webber A great player makes players around him good. Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

12-20-2006, 08:36 PM	#32
oaktownboy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,428	iverson is a killer for teams. He is selfish and won't hesitate to blame his coach or teammates for a disappointing season. great player; horrible teammate

12-20-2006, 09:51 PM	#42
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	I was talking all time, but I guess list your top 10 SG and we'll compare.

12-20-2006, 10:07 PM	#43
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	Iverson interview coming up on ESPN2 Quite Frankly right after this Arkansas/Texas game.

12-21-2006, 02:31 AM	#46
oaktownboy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,428	steven smith will butter him up probably, like he does with most of his black guests. he should interview larry brown and all the other coaches he threw under the bus. Larry would have words for him.

12-21-2006, 08:47 AM	#48
ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	The reason Iverson has always appeared to be selfish is because he has been the only talent on the Sixers for the last decade. If he didn't take/make the shots, nobody else would. Look for him to play like he did a few years ago at the All-Star game when he won MVP. I think this is the best thing that could have possibly happened to AI, Carmello, and the Nuggets.

12-21-2006, 09:13 AM	#53
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	Keith Van vorn Derrick Coleman? Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

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IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	Jamal Mashburn Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

12-21-2006, 09:15 AM	#56
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 38,792 Photos: 542	Not such bad company. How To Do The Perfect Bench Press Rep Bodybuilding and Lifting Weights, the Difference ironmagazine-frapper

12-21-2006, 09:17 AM	#59
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12-21-2006, 09:18 AM	#60
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,700	Look, plain and simple, it takes a team effort to make it to the NBA playoffs. AI had to have team mates to make it that far. He didn't do it by himself, this wasn't a one man effort. He may have led the team to the playoffs. But, there was a team around him and they had to have been decent enough to get them that far. If those players were that bad, the 76ers would not have made it to the playoffs. Also, lets not forget that AI did play on an Olympic team, stacked with great players......they didn't win a gold medal. So, where the fuck was this great player then? E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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