Iverson traded to Denver

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 10:51 AM

[quote=P-funk;1527964]that is because back in the 80s and early 90s, baseketball was still a team game....players didn't just run to the hoop and throw up a shot.....AI scores 35 points a game.....he takes 150 shots.[/quote]
While his teammates lose interest.

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

This is a bet....you lose you kiss Bigdyl patoot I win Bigdyl kisses my patoot.

Patoot kissing? Can Kenwood be my proxy?

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 10:53 AM

I think he's busy kissing Kefe's patoot.

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 10:54 AM

True story.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

True to an extent...a 42% career shooting percentage. Now awful, not great. Who else would shoot though?

who knows who else would be shooting if he were to move the ball around? Those guys are NBA players afterall. Who knows what would happen? Great players make the players around them great. AI has failed to do that.

He wants to play his way.....but, before he played his last game in Philly, they lost 12 out of their last 14. Not really a great record! He wanted to do it his way....what was his way? He was already shotting 85% of the teams shots.....would no one on the court shoot if it were his way?

Just like TO, he is selfish and cares about himself. He cares about winning...but, only for himself, for his career....to say "look what I did!"....not "Look what we did!". Like TO, on the side lines, calling players out, yelling about the offensive coaching....oh wait...you have the most drops in the leauge...shut the fuck up.

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

He had an aging, non-posting, non-explosive, shot missing Chirs Webber. In his day they would have been a force in the East. Not now...

Where are Keith Van Horn, and Derrick Coleman now? Keith Van Horn has always been shitty, and Derrick Coleman was 106 years old when he finally made it around to the Sixers. Bottom line is, they always surrounded AI with second rate, underachieving wash-ups. The best #2 AI ever played with was Eric Snow. Period.

True story a thousand percent.

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Look, plain and simple, it takes a team effort to make it to the NBA playoffs. AI had to have team mates to make it that far. He didn't do it by himself, this wasn't a one man effort. He may have led the team to the playoffs. But, there was a team around him and they had to have been decent enough to get them that far. If those players were that bad, the 76ers would not have made it to the playoffs.

Also, lets not forget that AI did play on an Olympic team, stacked with great players......they didn't win a gold medal. So, where the fuck was this great player then?

The starting lineup he took to the Finals looked something like:

G: Eric Snow
G: Allen Iverson
C: Dikembe Mutombo
F: Tyrone Hill
F: George Lynch

Take AI out of there, that team is is disgustingly below five hundred and the worst team in the league.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

The starting lineup he took to the Finals looked something like:

G: Eric Snow
G: Allen Iverson
C: Dikembe Mutombo
F: Tyrone Hill
F: George Lynch

Take AI out of there, that team is is disgustingly below five hundred and the worst team in the league.

the team now is worse than that team, and like I said, they lost 12 of their last 14 before AI's last game in Philly. Again....where is the ability to make this team better? He isn't a team player.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

The starting lineup he took to the Finals looked something like:

G: Eric Snow
G: Allen Iverson
C: Dikembe Mutombo
F: Tyrone Hill
F: George Lynch

Take AI out of there, that team is is disgustingly below five hundred and the worst team in the league.

Even worse then the Bulls

That said the Raps should have beat them that year

shiznit2169 · 12-21-2006, 12:02 PM

I agree it's supposed to be a team game

Look at Michael Jordan, he was an unbelievable player but if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr and so forth, they wouldn't have won the championships.

The legendary Celtics had Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Parish, Bill Walton and the black point guard (forgot his name).

The NBA went used to be a finesse game. Nowadays, it's all about 1-on-1, stylish dunks, 3-point shots, and they hardly run plays anymore. They walk too much and there is also too much traveling but the refs let it slide.

The most aggravating part of it is the NBA's image. It's now full of ghetto looking young kids who talk trash and show off their bling setting a terrible image for young kids. They ought to change the "NBA" to "NBA Street" since it's pretty much streetball style now.

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 12:35 PM

Michael Jordan career FG% - 49%
Michael Jordan career Assists - 5.3 Per game

Allen Iverson career FG% - 42%
Allen Iverson career Assists - 6.1 per game

Not much different IMO.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Michael Jordan career FG% - 49%
Michael Jordan career Assists - 5.3 Per game

Allen Iverson career FG% - 42%
Allen Iverson career Assists - 6.1 per game

Not much different IMO.

Jordan is a .497 fg%

Iverson is .421 fg %

Jordans numbers are a little off cause of his dumbass attempt at retiring to play baseball then to come back to the NBA then retiring again and attempting to come back. Look at his early years.

And it isn't all about his individual numbers. Yes Jordan had some good players around him, but he made them better. Something Iverson can't do.

**IainDaniel** · 12-21-2006, 12:47 PM

Oh and on top of that Jordan presented him self well and wasn't a douche bag who wouldn't practice with the team. Remember this is a team sport, something AI can't seem to grasp.

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Jordan is a .497 fg%

Iverson is .421 fg %

Jordans numbers are a little off cause of his dumbass attempt at retiring to play baseball then to come back to the NBA then retiring again and attempting to come back. Look at his early years.

And it isn't all about his individual numbers. Yes Jordan had some good players around him, but he made them better. Something Iverson can't do.

It is in this case because that's what I was using to respnd to some saying his FG% was horrible and he is a ball hog. Yet he passes the ball more than Jordan ever did and his FG% is 7% worse. I guess we'll have to see what happens now that Iverson is on a decent team.

My take is everyone just hates Iverson because of his image. He's the Floyd Mayweather Jr. of basketball. Easily the most talent since Jordan. Ask any NBA analyst.

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Michael Jordan career FG% - 49%
Michael Jordan career Assists - 5.3 Per game

Allen Iverson career FG% - 42%
Allen Iverson career Assists - 6.1 per game

Not much different IMO.

I would never compare Jordan to him.

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I would never compare Jordan to him.

I just did and those particular stats aren't as different as some would've guessed. I'm sure more of their stats are pretty similar too.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I just did and those particular stats aren't as different as some would've guessed. I'm sure more of their stats are pretty similar too.

also though, take into consideration that those are lifetime stats, Jordan Played a shit ton more games than Iverson...so that field goal percentage is pretty darn good!

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

also though, take into consideration that those are lifetime stats, Jordan Played a shit ton more games than Iverson...so that field goal percentage is pretty darn good!

Yeah that's true. Iverson still has many years ahead of him to equal the time MJ put it. I have a feeling he'll be around for a while though. He's a resilient bastard.

ReproMan · 12-21-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

the team now is worse than that team, and like I said, they lost 12 of their last 14 before AI's last game in Philly. Again....where is the ability to make this team better? He isn't a team player.

The saddest part is he did make the team better, they're just that bad....

Goodfella9783 · 12-21-2006, 03:36 PM

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

who knows who else would be shooting if he were to move the ball around? Those guys are NBA players afterall. Who knows what would happen? Great players make the players around them great. AI has failed to do that.

He wants to play his way.....but, before he played his last game in Philly, they lost 12 out of their last 14. Not really a great record! He wanted to do it his way....what was his way? He was already shotting 85% of the teams shots.....would no one on the court shoot if it were his way?

Just like TO, he is selfish and cares about himself. He cares about winning...but, only for himself, for his career....to say "look what I did!"....not "Look what we did!". Like TO, on the side lines, calling players out, yelling about the offensive coaching....oh wait...you have the most drops in the leauge...shut the fuck up.

He has a career average of 8 or something like that assists a game, and shoots the same amount if not less than many other team's stars. You need to watch less Jim Rome.

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 05:09 PM

2006-07 Statistics

PPG
31.2
RPG
2.70
APG
7.3

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 05:10 PM

Career Averages

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 .416 .341 .702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5
97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 .461 .298 .729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0
98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 .412 .291 .751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8
99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 .421 .341 .713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4
00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 .420 .320 .814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1
01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 .398 .291 .812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4
02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 .414 .277 .774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6
03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 .387 .286 .745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4
04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 .424 .308 .835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7
05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 .447 .323 .814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0
06-07 DEN 15 15 42.7 .413 .226 .885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2
06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 .413 .226 .885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2
Career 697 693 41.7 .421 .309 .778 0.9 3.0 3.9 6.1 2.3 0.1 3.74 2.10 28.1
Career 697 693 41.7 .421 .309 .778 0.9 3.0 3.9 6.1 2.3 0.1 3.74 2.10 28.1

goandykid · 12-21-2006, 05:13 PM

http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=1805

Iverson + Jim Mora mashup video

min0 lee · 12-21-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=1805

Iverson + Jim Mora mashup video

That was good.

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=1805

Iverson + Jim Mora mashup video

**P-funk** · 12-21-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

He has a career average of 8 or something like that assists a game, and shoots the same amount if not less than many other team's stars. You need to watch less Jim Rome.

Rome rules all!

the nut · 12-22-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Which SG's do you rank above AI all-time?

If you rank him as a 2 Guard, more of a case could be made for him as top ten.

(in no particular order) Jordan, West, Havlicek, Gervin, Drexler, Bryant, Monroe, Reggie Miller, Sam Jones, Hal Greer, Maravich (Very similar career to Iverson).

If you rank him as a point guard, I think he falls farther down the list.

Cheeks, Archibald, Wilkens, Stockton, Thomas, Cousy, Robertson, Magic, Payton, KJ, Frazier, Nash, Kidd.

Gave me an idea for a thread

Goodfella9783 · 12-22-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the nut

If you rank him as a 2 Guard, more of a case could be made for him as top ten.

(in no particular order) Jordan, West, Havlicek, Gervin, Drexler, Bryant, Monroe, Reggie Miller, Sam Jones, Hal Greer, Maravich (Very similar career to Iverson).

If you rank him as a point guard, I think he falls farther down the list.

Cheeks, Archibald, Wilkens, Stockton, Thomas, Cousy, Robertson, Magic, Payton, KJ, Frazier, Nash, Kidd.

Gave me an idea for a thread

I strongly disagree on that one. All Miller did was shoot 3's. Iverson averages 10 more career points per game, more assists, steals and rebounds (Miller is 6'7", Iverson 6').

the nut · 12-22-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I strongly disagree on that one. All Miller did was shoot 3's. Iverson averages 10 more career points per game, more assists, steals and rebounds (Miller is 6'7", Iverson 6').

He didn't only shoot threes, he was a awesome shooter from any where on the court. One of the most clutch shooters ever.

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12-21-2006, 10:54 AM	#94
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12-21-2006, 12:47 PM	#103
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	Oh and on top of that Jordan presented him self well and wasn't a douche bag who wouldn't practice with the team. Remember this is a team sport, something AI can't seem to grasp. Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

12-21-2006, 05:09 PM	#112
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	2006-07 Statistics PPG 31.2 RPG 2.70 APG 7.3 You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

12-21-2006, 12:02 PM	#100
shiznit2169 flawless Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,184 Photos: 1	I agree it's supposed to be a team game Look at Michael Jordan, he was an unbelievable player but if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr and so forth, they wouldn't have won the championships. The legendary Celtics had Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Parish, Bill Walton and the black point guard (forgot his name). The NBA went used to be a finesse game. Nowadays, it's all about 1-on-1, stylish dunks, 3-point shots, and they hardly run plays anymore. They walk too much and there is also too much traveling but the refs let it slide. The most aggravating part of it is the NBA's image. It's now full of ghetto looking young kids who talk trash and show off their bling setting a terrible image for young kids. They ought to change the "NBA" to "NBA Street" since it's pretty much streetball style now.

12-21-2006, 12:35 PM	#101
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	Michael Jordan career FG% - 49% Michael Jordan career Assists - 5.3 Per game Allen Iverson career FG% - 42% Allen Iverson career Assists - 6.1 per game Not much different IMO.

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12-21-2006, 05:10 PM	#113
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	Career Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 .416 .341 .702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5 97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 .461 .298 .729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0 98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 .412 .291 .751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8 99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 .421 .341 .713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4 00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 .420 .320 .814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1 01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 .398 .291 .812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4 02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 .414 .277 .774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6 03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 .387 .286 .745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4 04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 .424 .308 .835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7 05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 .447 .323 .814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0 06-07 DEN 15 15 42.7 .413 .226 .885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2 06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 .413 .226 .885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2 Career 697 693 41.7 .421 .309 .778 0.9 3.0 3.9 6.1 2.3 0.1 3.74 2.10 28.1 Career 697 693 41.7 .421 .309 .778 0.9 3.0 3.9 6.1 2.3 0.1 3.74 2.10 28.1 You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

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goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=1805 Iverson + Jim Mora mashup video You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

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