NFL Week 16 - - Playoff Scenarios

ReproMan · 12-27-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the nut

Whatever, teabag him all you want I couldn't care less. He's a tool in my book.

I just think thet "Bret Favre" consipiricy thing is such a load of crap. There was no way in hell Brett Favre was not getting sacked by Strahan, he just didn't put up a fight. Call the guy's whole career a wash because he "spat in Gastineau's face?"

In the split second he saw someone comming to tackle him he thought "Oh here comes Michael Strahan, I should lay down so he can get the record. That will benefit my career sooooooo much." Brett Favre would take a chance on tarnishing his whole career by laying down so someone's (who's not even on his team) name would appear in a record book? That's silly.

Someone that knows about football should also know that Favre doesn't just "toss balls up for grabs and hope that someone catches it." Sure he throws some questionable balls, but he has a better chance of making a first down by throwing that ball to a spot that gives his reciver a chance to make a play, than he does by taking the sack. It's not Favre's fault that the team around him sucks. I would bet alot-o-dough that if Rodgers were to have started this year, that team would be 4-11 right now not even remotely thinking about the playoffs.

Sack record or not, Brett Favre is in the top 5 greatest of all time at his position.

Doublebase · 12-27-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Sack record or not, Brett Favre is in the top 5 greatest of all time at his position.

I concur.

goandykid · 12-27-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

I concur.

I'd take him number 2 after Montana. I like a ballsy qb w/ as much passion for the sport than anyone who's ever picked up a football. Maybe not the absolutely best arm or accuracy ever, but a leader and a scrapper.

the nut · 12-27-2006, 04:37 PM

That's not the way it happened.

4th quarter Packers leading 34-25. Favre walks up to Strahan before the play and says something to him. Favre goes into huddle and calls a run play to the tailback. Favre comes to the line and runs a naked bootleg to Strahan's side. Bubba Franks is lined up on Strahan and down blocks on the inside linebacker allowing Strahan by, since the it was a designed handoff to the left. The fullback blocks the 3 gap to the left. In other words the right end was not designed to be blocked on a bootleg to the right?????? Favre spins and slides under Strahan for the record breaker. Half the Giants defense is smiling and patting Favre on the head.

After the game Favre state he changed the play at the line. 10 of 11 Packers claim they didn't hear the audible.

It's not a conspiracy it's a fact.

It doesn't diminish his accomplishments at all. But, he did lose a lot of fans that day, me being one of them. I don't like the fact that the line shut Strahan down after he dominated all year long, yet Favre decided to hand the record to him anyways. Not to mention Gastineau held that record for 17 years. I think that he should have earned that, and it's does tarnish the record.

goandykid · 12-27-2006, 06:32 PM

Conspiracy alert!

Favre didnt jsut walk upto him, watch the video on youtube or something. They exchanged words as they passed each other smiling, as most NFL players do.

10 of 11 players didn't hear it, I've never heard that before, ever. Source?

Also it didn't look like a full bootleg to the right at all, more like a drop back and shift to the right, he never started running.

Having said that, I think that once he saw Strahan coming at him he decided it was best to just drop since a part of him DID want to give him the record, I don't think he went out of his way to fuck up a drive to give it to him.

the nut · 12-27-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Conspiracy alert!

Favre didnt jsut walk upto him, watch the video on youtube or something. They exchanged words as they passed each other smiling, as most NFL players do.

10 of 11 players didn't hear it, I've never heard that before, ever. Source?

Here's a quote from Franks:
The Packers' linemen wouldn't say much, either. Tight end Bubba Franks had the blocking assignment on Strahan on the play.

"That was called as a running play," Franks said. "I don't know if it was a bad snap or what. I was run blocking. I didn't know it was a pass."

Also it didn't look like a full bootleg to the right at all, more like a drop back and shift to the right, he never started running.

It couldn't have been a drop back the whole offensive line was going down field.

Having said that, I think that once he saw Strahan coming at him he decided it was best to just drop since a part of him DID want to give him the record, I don't think he went out of his way to fuck up a drive to give it to him.

He didn't fuck up the drive it was the same as if they handed to Green, as long as the clock kept running. No way in any other game, with a nine point lead and 2:42 reamining on first down does he pull that. You run the ball on at the very least first and second down, and keep the clock moving. And you certainly don't roll Brett Favre out with the game in hand, 2 minutes before the playoffs start and take the chance he takes a hit and gets injured.

Don't be ignorant!

goandykid · 12-27-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the nut

Don't be ignorant!

I didn't realize Bubba counted as 10 people, he wasn't THAT bloated.

It looks like a miscommunication that resulted in a sack, and Brett knew he couldnt throw it because he had linemen downfield and knew he wasn't gonna get away from an oncoming Strahan so he submitted a split second before the sack and hit the ground...the same way qb's hit the ground when they scramble.

goandykid · 12-27-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the nut

Don't be ignorant!

And let's not start the jabs again

the nut · 12-27-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

I didn't realize Bubba counted as 10 people, he wasn't THAT bloated.

I watched the game, I saw the interviews everyone of those offensive players said it was a run. No I can't pull up a quote from every player.

It looks like a miracle that resulted in a sack, and Brett knew he couldnt throw it because he had linemen downfield and knew he wasn't gonna get away from an oncoming Strahan so he submitted a split second before the sack and hit the ground...the same way qb's hit the ground when they scramble.

That's the point lineman, don't go down field and run block on pass plays.

Favre got killed for that for months, and the writers don't do that to him unless it's warranted, we're not talking about T.O. here. Not, to mention the consideration of an asterisk next to the sack record, and they even considered calling it a designed run and ruling it a tackle for loss.

If you can't see that the play didn't fit the situation at all, then I give up.

My bad... no more jabs.

the nut · 12-30-2006, 03:08 PM

Meltdown

Egoatdoor · 12-30-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169

I agree that i am also tired of Favre. Don't get me wrong, he had a great career and he's a hall of famer for sure but all the espn analysts and fans are sucking this guy's balls big time. He isn't that great anymore and he's only making things worse the last few years with a terrible team and throwing more interceptions than ever before. His name is always mentioned everywhere and i'm getting sick of it so he needs to seriously hang up his cleats after this season.

He's the most overrated quarterback in NFL history and he should have retired after last year. He keeps hanging on ( looks like he'll be back again next year) and meanwhile, the Packers keep losing time to develop a quarterback to take over when he is finally gone. Their second stringer ( Rogers I think is his name) will probably go free agent and leave town in a year or two because he has gotten no opportunity to play and then where will the Packers be? Favre is so selfish, but I also blame the team management for not standing up to him and saying enough is enough, we need to start looking into the future.

**IainDaniel** · 12-31-2006, 09:06 AM

ain't looking too good for the pack

1) NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB**, OR
2) GB loss or tie
**N.Y. Giants clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over Green Bay if:
a) DET loses OR
b) MIN loses OR
c) any two of the following results occur: ARI loss, MIA loss, SF loss, CAR win, HOU win, TB win.
If NY Giants and Green Bay end up tied in strength of victory, then tie will be decided by best strength of schedule.

Triple Threat · 12-31-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

ain't looking too good for the pack

Had the Giants lost last night, it would have set up a very interesting Sunday. Atlanta, Carolina and St Louis all would have had something to play for, and then they would have had to wait out the final game of the day. It's going to take a minor miracle for Green Bay to make it now.

Goodfella9783 · 12-31-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

He's the most overrated quarterback in NFL history and he should have retired after last year. He keeps hanging on ( looks like he'll be back again next year) and meanwhile, the Packers keep losing time to develop a quarterback to take over when he is finally gone. Their second stringer ( Rogers I think is his name) will probably go free agent and leave town in a year or two because he has gotten no opportunity to play and then where will the Packers be? Favre is so selfish, but I also blame the team management for not standing up to him and saying enough is enough, we need to start looking into the future.

False IMO:

2nd all time Passing Yardage
2nd all time Passing Touchdowns
2nd all time Passing Completions
3rd all time Wins as starting QB
4th all time consecutive games started (and counting)
Won Superbowl

Goodfella9783 · 12-31-2006, 02:36 PM

Assante Samuel takes over Champ Bailey's INT lead

Egoatdoor · 12-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Detroit beat the Cowboys. Giants clinch the playoffs. See ya next year... or the next year...or the next year.....or the next year for the Pack.

Goodfella9783 · 12-31-2006, 03:30 PM

Uh-oh Champ just tied it up with INT for TD

BigPapaPump68 · 12-31-2006, 05:47 PM

Eagles win 24-17 over Atlanta

Egoatdoor · 12-31-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Eagles win 24-17 over Atlanta

The great Michael Vick. Loses to a bunch of second stringers. He IS a coach killer and Jim Mora is headed for the guillotine.

12-27-2006, 04:37 PM	#34
the nut comfortably numb Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: CT Posts: 2,222 Photos: 6	That's not the way it happened. 4th quarter Packers leading 34-25. Favre walks up to Strahan before the play and says something to him. Favre goes into huddle and calls a run play to the tailback. Favre comes to the line and runs a naked bootleg to Strahan's side. Bubba Franks is lined up on Strahan and down blocks on the inside linebacker allowing Strahan by, since the it was a designed handoff to the left. The fullback blocks the 3 gap to the left. In other words the right end was not designed to be blocked on a bootleg to the right?????? Favre spins and slides under Strahan for the record breaker. Half the Giants defense is smiling and patting Favre on the head. After the game Favre state he changed the play at the line. 10 of 11 Packers claim they didn't hear the audible. It's not a conspiracy it's a fact. It doesn't diminish his accomplishments at all. But, he did lose a lot of fans that day, me being one of them. I don't like the fact that the line shut Strahan down after he dominated all year long, yet Favre decided to hand the record to him anyways. Not to mention Gastineau held that record for 17 years. I think that he should have earned that, and it's does tarnish the record. Last edited by the nut : 12-27-2006 at 04:55 PM.
	*I hope that donkey doesn't have a heinie troll!*

12-27-2006, 06:32 PM	#35
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,380	Conspiracy alert! Favre didnt jsut walk upto him, watch the video on youtube or something. They exchanged words as they passed each other smiling, as most NFL players do. 10 of 11 players didn't hear it, I've never heard that before, ever. Source? Also it didn't look like a full bootleg to the right at all, more like a drop back and shift to the right, he never started running. Having said that, I think that once he saw Strahan coming at him he decided it was best to just drop since a part of him DID want to give him the record, I don't think he went out of his way to fuck up a drive to give it to him.
	You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

12-30-2006, 03:08 PM	#40
the nut comfortably numb Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: CT Posts: 2,222 Photos: 6	Meltdown
	*I hope that donkey doesn't have a heinie troll!*

12-31-2006, 09:06 AM	#42
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,603	ain't looking too good for the pack 1) NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB, OR 2) GB loss or tie N.Y. Giants clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over Green Bay if: a) DET loses OR b) MIN loses OR c) any two of the following results occur: ARI loss, MIA loss, SF loss, CAR win, HOU win, TB win. If NY Giants and Green Bay end up tied in strength of victory, then tie will be decided by best strength of schedule.
	Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

12-31-2006, 02:42 PM	#46
Egoatdoor Its time to eat...AGAIN! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Richmond Virginia Posts: 1,033	Detroit beat the Cowboys. Giants clinch the playoffs. See ya next year... or the next year...or the next year.....or the next year for the Pack.
	Getting bigger is a battle and the weapon is my fork. "The harder I work, the luckier I get"- Jenny Lynn

12-31-2006, 02:36 PM	#45
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,135	Assante Samuel takes over Champ Bailey's INT lead

12-31-2006, 03:30 PM	#47
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,135	Uh-oh Champ just tied it up with INT for TD

12-31-2006, 05:47 PM	#48
BigPapaPump68 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,309	Eagles win 24-17 over Atlanta

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