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**Dale Mabry** · 09-23-2007, 09:17 AM

I thought this PPV was well worth the money.

Also, I have a strong feeling that the presence of steroid testing pretty much eliminates any edge Pride had. All of their fighters look much softer, could be a coincidence, but performance-wise they have a lot less pop as well.

ReproMan · 09-23-2007, 10:19 AM

Defintely the best PPV if the year, if not one of the best ever considering who was fighting and what actually happened. What a mess this makes @ 205.

Pedigree · 09-23-2007, 12:11 PM

The dismantling of yet another former PRIDE fighter and supposed world #1 was a pleasure to witness. All the PRIDE sackhuggers are finally starting to realize the UFC has superior fighters. The ones who still hold on to the last glimmer of PRIDE hope in Fedor will be humbled when Couture beats him, solidifying himself as the greatest HW in the world and of all time.

BoneCrusher · 09-23-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Defintely the best PPV if the year, if not one of the best ever considering who was fighting and what actually happened. What a mess this makes @ 205.

205 is stacked to the rafters with serious talent.

It would be interesting if we did our own IM Top 5 per weight class.

PreMier · 09-23-2007, 01:54 PM

i was dissapointed as hell.. whack bullshit.

ufc is better than pride. BUT its ufc's arena and ufc's rules...

PreMier · 09-23-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

205 is stacked to the rafters with serious talent.

It would be interesting if we did our own IM Top 5 per weight class.

lifts or fighting or..

BoneCrusher · 09-23-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

lifts or fighting or..

I meant if we ranked the top 5 pro MMA fighters @ the various weight classes

BigDyl · 09-23-2007, 04:38 PM

Wow I wish a PRIDE fighter would take shit seriously. Shogun gassed horribly.

BigDyl · 09-23-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I meant if we ranked the top 5 pro MMA fighters @ the various weight classes

#1 LHW: Rampage (this Ranking is really f'd up now)
#1 HW: Fedor
#1 MW: Arguably Anderson Silva or Filho
# WW: GSP, maybe hughes
#1 LW: SHERK, and maybe Penn

BoneCrusher · 09-23-2007, 05:08 PM

Where do you place the non-UFC fighters? There are many that belong in the top 5 ... like Shamrock with his belt and a recent win over Phil Steronie. I'm pretending you said Randy Couture instead of Fedor cuz I know that was just a typo. Fedor hasn't fought anyone of top contention since the Beatles were on tour. You have to fight to keep that crown or it goes to the new king. Right now that is Randy Couture. If they get a match I would put serious cash on Randy for the W.

But I will keep what you and any one else puts up then run a poll if we get enough results to make it worth while.

Delusional · 09-23-2007, 06:29 PM

is there any way i can watch ufc 76 knockout? i know who all won and shit but itd still be interesting to watch..

BoneCrusher · 09-23-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

is there any way i can watch ufc 76 knockout? i know who all won and shit but itd still be interesting to watch..

Try this. You'll need to register, but it might be what you want.

A Black Guy · 09-23-2007, 07:06 PM

Drive over to my house, it's still on the TiVo.

BoneCrusher · 09-23-2007, 07:16 PM

Fedor vs Alex ...

YouTube Video

Doublebase · 09-24-2007, 08:27 AM

Anyone hear about Kurt Angle signing on with the IFL?

ReproMan · 09-24-2007, 09:39 AM

Heavyweight:
1. Randy Couture
2. Gabe Gonzaga
3. Big Nog
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Andrei Arlovski

Light Heavyweight:
1. Rampage Jackson
2. Dan Henderson
3. Forrest Griffin
4. Shogun Rua
5. Lyoto Machida

Middleweight:
1. Dan Henderson
2. Anderson Silva
3. Paulo Filho
4. Matt Lindland
5. Denis Kang

Welterweight:
1. GSP
2. Matt Serra
3. Matt Hughes
4. Jon Fitch
5. Josh Koscheck

Lightweight:
1. Sean Sherk
2. BJ Penn
3. Takanori Gomi
4. JZ Calvancanti
5. Gilbert Melendez

I didn't even consider fighters that are currently inactive or unsigned.

ReproMan · 09-24-2007, 09:48 AM

Hard Work Propels Fitch up Ladder; Sanchez Contemplates Move to Lightweight (Story from Yahoo! Sports) -- UFC news at MMAjunkie.com

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Hard Work Propels Fitch up Ladder; Sanchez Contemplates Move to Lightweight (Story from Yahoo! Sports)

Posted by Dave Doyle on September 23, 2007 at 9:00 am ET

by Dave Doyle/Yahoo! Sports

(Reprinted from Yahoo! Sports with permission)

ANAHEIM, Calif. â€“ Jon Fitch doesn’t fight with the same electricity as fellow welterweight Georges St. Pierre. He doesn’t have champion Matt Serra’s charisma. Nor does he have Karo Parisyan’s flashy moves.

But unlike the rest of the 170-lb. division, he’s on a winning streak that puts the rest to shame.

“The UFC has the deepest 170-lb. division in the world,” said Fitch (15-2, 1 no-contest). If you’re in the UFC and you think you’re at the top of the heap I want to fight you.“

The former captain of the Purdue University wrestling team continued his methodical ascension up the ranks with the biggest win of his career Saturday night. Fitch took a split decision over Ultimate Fighter poster boy Diego “Nightmare” Sanchez at UFC 76 at the Honda Center.

Cecil Peoples scored the bout 30-27 Fitch; Marco Rosales had it 29-28 Sanchez; Richard Bertrand had it 29-28 Fitch. Kevin Iole scored the fight 29-28 Sanchez and I had it at 29-28 Fitch.

“I was very surprised with split decision,” said Fitch, whose last loss was to Wilson Gouveia in 2002. “I don’t think I completely dominated and destroyed him, but I thought I had dominated him enough to get a 30-27 score.“

In Sanchez, Fitch was facing a fighter at a crossroads. The Ultimate Fighter 1 winner came into 2007 on a cresting wave of momentum. But Sanchez suffered his first career loss to Fitch’s American Kickboxing Academy teammate, Josh Koshcheck, in April, then split with Greg Jackson’s camp in his hometown of Albuquerque.

Saturday night was the debut of the new Sanchez, who trains at the University of Jiu-Jitsu in San Diego, and the new approach was apparent. Sanchez eschewed the trademark striking that marked his early career victories and tried to take it to the ground with the top-notch wrestler.
Sanchez had his moments, and had Fitch trapped in a guillotine for much of the first minute of the third round. For the most part, though Fitch was able to hold off his opponent. While round one was close, Fitch was able to thwart the bulk of Sanchez’s takedown attempts without much effort.

“That’s kinda what we expected,” said Fitch. “We thought he was going to come out really aggressive right away. He was coming off a loss and he waned to finish it off as quick as possible.“

Round 2 went to Fitch in a decisive manner, punctuated by a big slam in which he more or less plucked Sanchez off his back and took him for a ride, sending Sanchez crashing to the mat shoulders-first.

“I have a primary plan, a secondary plan and a third plan,” said Fitch. “First was to stand up and bang it out, then we went into the clinch and I was more powerful when I went to the ground. Especially after he caught my kicks I was more comfortable and it was easier on the ground.“

In the third, which most scored in favor of Sanchez, Fitch managed to pop out of Sanchez’s near-submission and immediately assumed top position. But Fitch spent much of the rest of the fight fending off Sanchez’s attempted submissions, including a mid-round Kimura and an attempted leg triangle in the waning seconds.

According to CompuStrike, Fitch connected on 59 percent of his strikes (47 of 79) to 56 percent for Sanchez (18 of 32).

So Fitch remains unbeaten in the UFC, getting his hand raised after all seven of his octagon encounters and facing stiffer and stiffer competition each time. Of course, there is a logjam ahead of Fitch in the division.

Serra is defending his welterweight title against Hughes in December, then St. Pierre will get the next title shot some time in 2008.

But that’s all details, as far as Fitch is concerned. “I want to fight the best guys in the world, no matter If they have they belt,” he said. “If they do, that would be nice. I just know that when I get done, I want to be able to say I fought all the toughest guys and took them all on.“

Sanchez was gracious in defeat, and hinted a drop to the lightweight division could be in order.

“I feel that he beat me fair and square,” Sanchez said. “I was close, but close isn’t close enough. All fighters go through losses, I’m just going to have to come back stronger.“

“I’m contemplating in my mind if I’m going to drop to (1)55 or not, because I’m a smaller welterweight. I could do more powerlifting and put some more weight on or I could lose some weight.“

Diego @ 155 would be crazy. Automatic contender IMO.

**IainDaniel** · 09-24-2007, 09:58 AM

I guess cause I was drunk and at a bar with a lot of hot chicks and didn't get to watch the fight as much as I wanted I didn't enjoy the card as much

ReproMan · 09-24-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I guess cause I was drunk and at a bar with a lot of hot chicks and didn't get to watch the fight as much as I wanted I didn't enjoy the card as much

That's why I hate going to see them at the bar. Not to mention it usually works out that I spend more money at the bar than paying the $40 at home.

I can't wait to see it again, it was my favorite card of the year.

A Black Guy · 09-24-2007, 11:03 AM

Plus you can't get trail mix at a bar...

**IainDaniel** · 09-24-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by A Black Guy

Plus you can't get trail mix at a bar...

Oh you can get Tail mix alright.... Whoops I meant Trail.

A Black Guy · 09-24-2007, 02:38 PM

HGH Gut FTW.

AKIRA · 09-24-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

That's why I hate going to see them at the bar. Not to mention it usually works out that I spend more money at the bar than paying the $40 at home.

I can't wait to see it again, it was my favorite card of the year.

I usually dont spend more than the price of the fight. Not 100% of the time do I avoid it, but most of the time I am ok.

It seemed that when I went with a group of people, Id get fucked. However, after a few trial and errors, I was just more careful with my binging. At this last one, even with food, I didnt break $30.

Not saying one is over the other, just the mood youre in at the time.

BoneCrusher · 09-25-2007, 02:14 PM

How 'bout the rest of you mofo's kick in with who you see as your top fighters as best as you can. No-one is gonna argue with anyone this is just so we can build a poll. We need an IM ranking.

A Black Guy · 09-25-2007, 02:36 PM

Heavyweight
1. Harold Howard
2. Randy Couture
3. Josh Barnett
4. Fedor Emelianenko
5. Gabriel Gonzaga

Light Heavy
1. Rampage
2. Art Jimmerson
3. Dan Henderson
4. Keith Jardine
5. Wanderlei Silva

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. (tie)Rich Franklin
(tie)Nathan Marquardt
4. Robbie Lawler
5. Paulo Filho

Welterweight
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Matt Hughes
3. Jon Fitch
4. Matt Serra
5. Diego Sanchez

Lightweight
1. Sean Sherk
2. BJ Penn
3. JZ Calvancanti
4. Takanori Gomi
5. Joe Stevenson

ReproMan · 09-25-2007, 03:12 PM

UFC 76 Salaries: Chuck Liddell Earns $500,000; Jardine Gets $14,000 -- UFC news at MMAjunkie.com

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MMAjunkie.com (UFC news, MMA news, UFC rumors, UFC gossip, fighter interviews and event previews and recaps - MMAjunkie.com (formerly UFCjunkie.com)) has obtained UFC 76 salary figures from the California State Athletic Commission.

UFC 76 took place at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif. on Saturday, Sept. 22, and featured Keith Jardine’s upset split-decision victory over Chuck Liddell. Jardine earned $14,000 for the victory, and Liddell earned $500,000 in defeat.

Other top paydays included Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, who earned $150,000 — $106,000 more than Forrest Griffin, who submitted him in the third round. Additionally, Lyoto Machida earned $50,000 for a victory over Kazuhiro Nakamura ($20,000).

The total payroll for the event was $954,000 (though 68 percent of it went to Liddell and Rua).

The full amounts included:
Keith Jardine ($14,000) def. Chuck Liddell ($500,000)
Forrest Griffin ($44,000) def. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua ($150,000)
Jon Fitch ($44,000) def. Diego Sanchez ($22,000)
Lyoto Machida ($50,000) def. Kazuhiro Nakamura ($20,000)
Tyson Griffin ($24,000) def. Thiago Tavares ($9,000)
Rich Clementi ($24,000) def. Anthony Johnson ($5,000)
Jeremy Stephens ($6,000) def. Diego Saraiva ($3,000)
Christian Wellisch ($14,000) def. Scott Junk ($4,000)
Matt Wiman ($16,000) def. Michihiro Omigawa ($5,000)

All of the night’s winning fighters earned 50 percent of their pay to “show” and an additional 50 percent as “win bonuses.” (The only exceptions would have been Liddell, who would not have earned a win bonus, and Rua, whose win bonus would have been $50,000.)

Now, the usual disclaimer: the figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter’s income. They also don’t include any bonuses the UFC sometimes pays for Fight of the Night, Knockout of the Night, and Submission of the Night — which pay $40,000 each — and other assorted pay-per-view and performance-based bonuses.

In other words, these are simply base salaries reported to the CSAC and do not represent the total amounts earned by each fighter.

BoneCrusher · 09-25-2007, 03:19 PM

I hope Forrest got paid some serious bonus loot. He earned it. So did Jardine, although I gotta say that Jardine looks like something out of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. He wouldn't even need make-up ... just a little dirt.

A Black Guy · 09-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Forrest got sub of the night and Tavares and Griffin get fight of the night, so $40,000 to each of them.

ReproMan · 09-25-2007, 03:44 PM

And nobody got KO of the night because nobody got KO'd at UFC 76: Knockout.

A Black Guy · 09-25-2007, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I think they're going to have to go back and revise the naming conventions.

Hopefully they haven't put a deposit down on those UFC 81: Armbar shirts.

09-23-2007, 09:17 AM	#421
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I thought this PPV was well worth the money. Also, I have a strong feeling that the presence of steroid testing pretty much eliminates any edge Pride had. All of their fighters look much softer, could be a coincidence, but performance-wise they have a lot less pop as well. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

09-23-2007, 01:54 PM	#425
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	i was dissapointed as hell.. whack bullshit. ufc is better than pride. BUT its ufc's arena and ufc's rules... P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-23-2007, 06:29 PM	#431
Delusional little guy with big hopes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 547	is there any way i can watch ufc 76 knockout? i know who all won and shit but itd still be interesting to watch.. Gayspace www.taylorsnutrition.com

09-24-2007, 09:58 AM	#438
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	I guess cause I was drunk and at a bar with a lot of hot chicks and didn't get to watch the fight as much as I wanted I didn't enjoy the card as much Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

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09-23-2007, 10:19 AM	#422
ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Defintely the best PPV if the year, if not one of the best ever considering who was fighting and what actually happened. What a mess this makes @ 205.

09-23-2007, 12:11 PM	#423
Pedigree Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 449	The dismantling of yet another former PRIDE fighter and supposed world #1 was a pleasure to witness. All the PRIDE sackhuggers are finally starting to realize the UFC has superior fighters. The ones who still hold on to the last glimmer of PRIDE hope in Fedor will be humbled when Couture beats him, solidifying himself as the greatest HW in the world and of all time.

09-23-2007, 05:08 PM	#430
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,589	Where do you place the non-UFC fighters? There are many that belong in the top 5 ... like Shamrock with his belt and a recent win over Phil Steronie. I'm pretending you said Randy Couture instead of Fedor cuz I know that was just a typo. Fedor hasn't fought anyone of top contention since the Beatles were on tour. You have to fight to keep that crown or it goes to the new king. Right now that is Randy Couture. If they get a match I would put serious cash on Randy for the W. But I will keep what you and any one else puts up then run a poll if we get enough results to make it worth while.

09-23-2007, 07:06 PM	#433
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	Drive over to my house, it's still on the TiVo.

09-24-2007, 08:27 AM	#435
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 7,322	Anyone hear about Kurt Angle signing on with the IFL?

09-24-2007, 09:39 AM	#436
ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Heavyweight: 1. Randy Couture 2. Gabe Gonzaga 3. Big Nog 4. Tim Sylvia 5. Andrei Arlovski Light Heavyweight: 1. Rampage Jackson 2. Dan Henderson 3. Forrest Griffin 4. Shogun Rua 5. Lyoto Machida Middleweight: 1. Dan Henderson 2. Anderson Silva 3. Paulo Filho 4. Matt Lindland 5. Denis Kang Welterweight: 1. GSP 2. Matt Serra 3. Matt Hughes 4. Jon Fitch 5. Josh Koscheck Lightweight: 1. Sean Sherk 2. BJ Penn 3. Takanori Gomi 4. JZ Calvancanti 5. Gilbert Melendez I didn't even consider fighters that are currently inactive or unsigned.

09-24-2007, 11:03 AM	#440
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	Plus you can't get trail mix at a bar...

09-24-2007, 02:38 PM	#442
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	HGH Gut FTW.

09-25-2007, 02:14 PM	#444
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,589	How 'bout the rest of you mofo's kick in with who you see as your top fighters as best as you can. No-one is gonna argue with anyone this is just so we can build a poll. We need an IM ranking.

09-25-2007, 02:36 PM	#445
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	Heavyweight 1. Harold Howard 2. Randy Couture 3. Josh Barnett 4. Fedor Emelianenko 5. Gabriel Gonzaga Light Heavy 1. Rampage 2. Art Jimmerson 3. Dan Henderson 4. Keith Jardine 5. Wanderlei Silva Middleweight 1. Anderson Silva 2. (tie)Rich Franklin (tie)Nathan Marquardt 4. Robbie Lawler 5. Paulo Filho Welterweight 1. Georges St. Pierre 2. Matt Hughes 3. Jon Fitch 4. Matt Serra 5. Diego Sanchez Lightweight 1. Sean Sherk 2. BJ Penn 3. JZ Calvancanti 4. Takanori Gomi 5. Joe Stevenson

09-25-2007, 03:19 PM	#447
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,589	I hope Forrest got paid some serious bonus loot. He earned it. So did Jardine, although I gotta say that Jardine looks like something out of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. He wouldn't even need make-up ... just a little dirt.

09-25-2007, 03:39 PM	#448
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	Forrest got sub of the night and Tavares and Griffin get fight of the night, so $40,000 to each of them.

09-25-2007, 03:44 PM	#449
ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	And nobody got KO of the night because nobody got KO'd at UFC 76: Knockout.

09-25-2007, 03:49 PM	#450
A Black Guy Registered Offender Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Pierce, FL Posts: 725 Photos: 1	Yeah, I think they're going to have to go back and revise the naming conventions. Hopefully they haven't put a deposit down on those UFC 81: Armbar shirts.