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Goodfella9783 · 02-03-2008, 09:54 AM

Someone has got to make a GIF of that Boetsch guy throwing Heath like a rag doll.

ReproMan · 02-03-2008, 10:03 AM

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Someone has got to make a GIF of that Boetsch guy throwing Heath like a rag doll.

Haha, hell yeah that was sick. That's only like the 3rd or 4th time I've seen a takedown KO someone.

Doublebase · 02-03-2008, 10:06 AM

Thanks for posting the fights. Brock Lesnar sure is fun to watch. I hope he stays with the UFC.

ReproMan · 02-03-2008, 10:40 AM

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Thanks for posting the fights. Brock Lesnar sure is fun to watch. I hope he stays with the UFC.

It cut off the beginning of the fight, but his takedown was fuckin sick. He moves like a man 100lbs lighter than him. He'll be back.

PreMier · 02-03-2008, 10:50 AM

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He's one dimensional as hell. I do give him credit for being one of the best jiu jitsu practitioners in MMA though. His cardio sucks, he looked like he was about to tumble down on his own the whole fight. His standup is terrible. He just doesn't come off as a dedicated fighter to me for some reason.

Throwing down? He was throwing a baby jab and getting caught every three seconds with a huge right and all kinds of combos. If you can get hit that easy, you obviously haven't been training in striking much. After that he was making horrible shoots in attempt to get Sylvia down. Tim stuffed everyone until the end. Worst kind of fights.

your crazy.. i totally disagree with you. nogs standup is decent at best, but he can still stand and fight, he got a few good hits on sylvia. take into account that sylvia has a huge reach advantage, did you really expect him to fight him, and win like that? give me a break..

sylvia has some of the best takedown defense in the ufc. he knows that his game is standing up, and thats why he he works on it so much, just like chuck liddell. did you see the final takedown? it was a pretty technical sweep, i dont know how else you would take a guy down thats 6'8"

ReproMan · 02-03-2008, 11:37 AM

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your crazy.. i totally disagree with you. nogs standup is decent at best, but he can still stand and fight, he got a few good hits on sylvia. take into account that sylvia has a huge reach advantage, did you really expect him to fight him, and win like that? give me a break..

sylvia has some of the best takedown defense in the ufc. he knows that his game is standing up, and thats why he he works on it so much, just like chuck liddell. did you see the final takedown? it was a pretty technical sweep, i dont know how else you would take a guy down thats 6'8"

Check out the post fight press conference. Notice how Tim's face doesn't have a scratch on it and Nog can barely see out of his right eye. That wasn't a takedown either, he pulled guard and swept him. Ask Randy how to take Tim down, he did it at least 6 times in their fight.

Nog said he was "dizzy" for the whole 1st round and most of the 2nd after that knockdown and said time and time again how heavy Tim's hands are. Tim probably could have finished that fight right there had he not respected Nog's ground game so much. Either way, it was a good finish.

Goodfella9783 · 02-03-2008, 11:57 AM

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take into account that sylvia has a huge reach advantage, did you really expect him to fight him, and win like that? give me a break..

Yes. Seen it plenty of times both in boxing and MMA. A taller fighter vs. a shorter fighter... It's called fighting on the inside. Nog's standup strategy was garbage. He was walking around like an ogre throwing the ugliest jab I've ever seen, with his head straight up in the air, followed by nothing. His whole goal was obviously to get Tim down. Why not polish the boxing skills a little bit sort of like Rampage so the stand-up game opens up opportunities to get the fight to the ground? If he could work his way on the inside with some hand work he'd leave Tim completely vulnerable to any takedown attempt. He'd be so much more of a complete fighter and also avoid taking this type of punishment.

Goodfella9783 · 02-03-2008, 12:02 PM

For example:

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A Black Guy · 02-03-2008, 12:08 PM

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fufu · 02-03-2008, 12:18 PM

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Nog is a pretty damn shitty champ IMO. Besides his heart and BJJ game he's got nothin. I'm predictin he'll have a really short stint. I hate the type of fighters who only go for the take down and completely refuse to exchange.

Completely refused to exhange?

Negative.

I think Nog looked sloppy and slow on the feet but I give him credit, he got the win with some nice ground work.

**IainDaniel** · 02-03-2008, 12:28 PM

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Someone has got to make a GIF of that Boetsch guy throwing Heath like a rag doll.

Funny thing about that.

I don't remember the Refs name, but the guy who always prematurely calls fights. Lets Heath just take a fucking beating, just kept watching him take a pounding. I was thinking WTF.

fufu · 02-03-2008, 12:37 PM

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You called both fights!

I didnt think Lesnar was going to lose, but I guess his arrogance got the best of him. I am with Repro and am hoping that he doesnt leave.

Tim did his usual game.

It looked like Nog was getting knocked out here and there, but if the fucker went with Fedor and didnt get knocked out, I was damned if Tim would.

I have to say Nog's take downs didnt seem all that great, BUT, they worked and they worked quickly.

I was quite fucking pleased to see Sylvia lose and to know I predicted it. (whoops wrong forum!)

Is it just me or was Jeremy Horn's fight the best?

Yeah, I was so psyched by the wins. I had Mir by rnd 1 sub and Nog by rnd 2 sub, but he finished in the 3rd. So fucking excited to see those happen, I was so nervous to see what was going to go down.

This was a great card. The Griffin fight was sick. Anyone know if that was fight of the night? I am suprised Griffin got taken down at will so many times, but he quickly got back on his feet most of the time.

I def would rate the Griffin Gleison fight over Horn Marquardt.

ReproMan · 02-03-2008, 12:38 PM

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Yeah, I was so psyched by the wins. I had Mir by rnd 1 sub and Nog by rnd 2 sub, but he finished in the 3rd. So fucking excited to see those happen, I was so nervous to see what was going to go down.

This was a great card. The Griffin fight was sick. Anyone know if that was fight of the night? I am suprised Griffin got taken down at will so many times, but he quickly got back on his feet most of the time.

I def would rate the Griffin Gleison fight over Horn Marquardt.

Fight of the night was Nog vs. Sylvia, sub went to Mir and KO went to Lytle. They all got 60K, biggest bonus yet.

fufu · 02-03-2008, 12:39 PM

I'm confused by Mazzagatti's point deduction to Lesnar. I can recall GSP pounding away at the back of Hughes's head and getting 2 or 3 warnings.

fufu · 02-03-2008, 12:41 PM

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Fight of the night was Nog vs. Sylvia, sub went to Mir and KO went to Lytle. They all got 60K, biggest bonus yet.

A bit suprised Slyvia and Nog was FOTN. Tim was controlling 80% of the time.

I like fight of the nights to go to two guys who both get great shots in on eachother while going into the 3rd round. A little more even between the opponents.

Tim and Nog basically went from extreme ownage on the feet to extreme ownage on the ground.

Lytle def. gets the KO of the night, he streamrolled that guy.

**IainDaniel** · 02-03-2008, 12:41 PM

Yeah that was a weak call. No warning. And it wasn't even a hard shot. Mir just rolled his head while getting fed.

ReproMan · 02-03-2008, 12:43 PM

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I'm confused by Mazzagatti's point deduction to Lesnar. I can recall GSP pounding away at the back of Hughes's head and getting 2 or 3 warnings.

It was complete bullshit and it messed with Brock's momentum. He had Mir stunned there. Oh well.

fufu · 02-03-2008, 12:50 PM

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It was complete bullshit and it messed with Brock's momentum. He had Mir stunned there. Oh well.

Yeah, quite a momentum killer it was.

PreMier · 02-03-2008, 01:13 PM

hindsight is 20/20. im just going to respectfully disagree with repro and goodfella. its easy to sit back and analyze the fight from the couch, and say 'he shoulda done this or that' etc. its easy to say what sghould be done when your not in the fight. IMO it was a good fight, nogs standup looked good against tim (even though tims is much better), and the better all around fighter won.

AKIRA · 02-03-2008, 06:30 PM

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hindsight is 20/20. im just going to respectfully disagree with repro and goodfella. its easy to sit back and analyze the fight from the couch, and say 'he shoulda done this or that' etc. its easy to say what sghould be done when your not in the fight. IMO it was a good fight, nogs standup looked good against tim (even though tims is much better), and the better all around fighter won.

Ill agree with your post, but I dont see a real big disagreement with you and them.

Nog seemed like a lousy striker, but he didnt get knocked out, so I dont care how many shots he took if he ended up submitting him. I mean, isnt that youd hope for if youre bound to lose to a decision anyway?

Nog's takedowns did appear...pretty fucking sloppy, but apparently quantity overruled quality, cuz one of those shitty takedowns worked against someone with great takedown defense.

Its true. I hate Tim. So I apologize if I felt GOOD about him getting submitted. Didnt know it would upset people that I was proud to be right about a prediction for once.

As far as Brock's fight went, I loved his aggression and hope to see more of it. He really is a beast. If this fight happened again tonight, it could very well go to Brock.

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This was a great card. The Griffin fight was sick. Anyone know if that was fight of the night? I am suprised Griffin got taken down at will so many times, but he quickly got back on his feet most of the time.

I thought it was entertaining as well. Tebau(sp?) looked huge compared to Griffin.

fufu · 02-03-2008, 07:58 PM

Just throwing this out there -

In MMA dodging the stand up game can be compared to dodging the ground game. Not willing to go to the ground is the same as not willing to stand up and exchange in MMA.

It just happens a fight starts standing up.

Obviously people have definite strengths so you can't blame them for trying to fight in their particular modus operandi. This results in some shitty fights given certain circumstances but that is just something that you have to go along with.

A Black Guy · 02-04-2008, 10:15 PM

Interesting opinion from a member of another forum.

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Couture looks pathetic now... I really liked the guy before, but the shit he's pulling disgusts me... Lets take a closer look at his career in the last 6 years:

-He was fighting in UFC HW division. Gets owned twice, back-to-back by good HW's (Ricco and Josh). Decides that HW division is too much for him and drops to LHW.

-Gets lucky against Chuck, then pulls a decision against Tito. Then looses to Vitor, gets KTFO-ed TWICE by Chuck. Decides that LHW division is also too strong for him and retires.

-Then he waits untill most good HW's leave UFC, and when the division is at it's weakest, with the champion seriosly injured, begs Dana for a title shot. Dana gives him the shot, straight out of being KTFO-ed into retirement. He pulls of a decision win against sick, injured, one dimensional jabber. Then he beats one of the most overrated fighters in the HW div EVER. And decides that hes too good for the UFC's HW div, and refuses to defend his title.

Sickening... He should be put into the UFC Hall of Shame.. If there was such a thing.

tallcall · 02-05-2008, 08:53 AM

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I want to see Mir win over Lesnar (but to see Lesnar have a good showing), Nogueira win over Silvia (I just don't like Tim that much), Marquardt over Horn, I agree with you on the rest. This should be a good card.

I think I did pretty well picking them this time

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I'm very happy to see a Mir v Nog title fight in the future

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Also, I love Griffin, but Tibau did alright too (I hate it when I like all the guys in the card - this card was one of them), I have to root for my team when I can.

The next fight night is right before my birthday, so for my birthday I want the following:

1. Lauzon wins over Florian (really going to be a treat either way!)

2. Thiago "Pitbull" Alves wins over Karo (I can't stand Karo, hope Thiago rocks him!)

3. Matt Hamil Wins or Ties with Stephan Bonnar

4. Aurelio wins over Fisher (probably won't happen, but it's my birthday - I love them both so it doesn't really matter)

5. Din Thomas wins over Josh Near (again, I like them both, but I'm pulling for my team)

6. Guida wins over Schiavo (who the hell is Schiavo?)

7. Tommy Spears wins over Anthony Johnson (I predict this to be a KO)

There, that is what I want to see!

AKIRA · 02-05-2008, 10:18 AM

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Interesting opinion from a member of another forum.

I actually thought a related assumption, but I kept my mouth shut cuz I thought I would just be speaking out of my ass. I still think Couture is good though.

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fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,726 Photos: 4	I'm confused by Mazzagatti's point deduction to Lesnar. I can recall GSP pounding away at the back of Hughes's head and getting 2 or 3 warnings.
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IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,125	Yeah that was a weak call. No warning. And it wasn't even a hard shot. Mir just rolled his head while getting fed.
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02-03-2008, 01:13 PM	#979
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,020 Photos: 1	hindsight is 20/20. im just going to respectfully disagree with repro and goodfella. its easy to sit back and analyze the fight from the couch, and say 'he shoulda done this or that' etc. its easy to say what sghould be done when your not in the fight. IMO it was a good fight, nogs standup looked good against tim (even though tims is much better), and the better all around fighter won.
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fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,726 Photos: 4	Just throwing this out there - In MMA dodging the stand up game can be compared to dodging the ground game. Not willing to go to the ground is the same as not willing to stand up and exchange in MMA. It just happens a fight starts standing up. Obviously people have definite strengths so you can't blame them for trying to fight in their particular modus operandi. This results in some shitty fights given certain circumstances but that is just something that you have to go along with.
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02-03-2008, 10:06 AM	#963
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 6,401	Thanks for posting the fights. Brock Lesnar sure is fun to watch. I hope he stays with the UFC.