MMA News and Notes

ReproMan · 10-04-2008, 07:11 PM

Yeah, this shit is unreal...

I love how Frank tried to step in, that's great.

fufu · 10-04-2008, 07:20 PM

Yeah, that was awesome. Normally the Shamrocks annoy me, but that was good.

AKIRA · 10-04-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

btw, I'll be in the chat room during the fights if anyone wants to chit chat between rounds.

Well I am in there!

Ken isnt fighting now? What the fuck...

This is a god damn mess of an event.

What were you guys talking about the shamrocks stepping in on something?

AKIRA · 10-04-2008, 10:08 PM

I Knew It!!!

AKIRA · 10-04-2008, 10:09 PM

I Just Said On Another Forum, Kimbos Chances Prolly Just Got Worse.

ReproMan · 10-04-2008, 10:14 PM

Rofl!!!!

Goodfella9783 · 10-04-2008, 10:23 PM

"That was the most impressive win in MMA History" -Elite commentator on Petruzelli win
WTF?!?!

Couldn't believe the ref stood up Nelson when he was in side control and working in and out of the kimura on Arlovski. Bullshit IMO.

LOL @ Frank's braces. You can tell he just got em with the little lisp. Reminds me of 6th grade.

TrojanMan60563 · 10-05-2008, 12:51 AM

Kimbo is a puss...what a terrible showing for him. He is just a hard hand, and that's about it.... apparently he has a glass jaw too.

AKIRA · 10-05-2008, 12:54 AM

Yeah that jab straight left (was it?) didnt look powerful at all.

bio-chem · 10-05-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Yeah that jab straight left (was it?) didnt look powerful at all.

moving back, right hand no power in it at all and it completely rocked kimbo. 'bout damn time. every fighter needs a loss. and he needs to not be hyped as the savior of Elite as well. regardless of bas rutten training him. now maybe he will have to move up the ranks like any normal fighter

**P-funk** · 10-05-2008, 08:47 AM

I didn't even make it to te kimbo fight. i fell asleep. that was a horrible event.

zombul · 10-05-2008, 09:24 AM

Agreed. Very disappointing.

fufu · 10-05-2008, 09:41 AM

I thought the event was good(for eliteXC), I went to sleep before Kimbo fought.

Anyone gotta GIF?

Doublebase · 10-05-2008, 09:53 AM

YouTube Video

fufu · 10-05-2008, 10:09 AM

Thanks DB.

The commentator had a little too much coffee before the broadcast me thinks...

ReproMan · 10-05-2008, 11:33 AM

I'd have to say that was defintely EliteXC's best effort to date. We got 5 fights in a 2 1/2 hour window which is a good amount of action.

- I don't think we could have asked for more action in the Ninja/Radach fight, I thought that was decent.

- The women didn't disappoint again. Plenty of action in that fight. The women always show more heart than the guys, they just bang it out and Carano picked apart yet another smaller, weaker opponent.

- Questionable stand-up in the Arlovski fight although I don't think it would have changed the outcome in the longrun, fatboy was gassing.

- Daley proved to be a legit opponent for Shields other than having zero ground game, but he sprawled and brawled enough to make it interesting. Goes to show that a GSP would steamroll him and a fighter like Diego Sanchez would probably outlast him for a decision.

- And the main event... Could that have gone more perfectly? A light heavyweight coming in on short notice and putting Kimbo on the canvas with a weak right hand, then laying him flat with a little gnp to win it. HAHA! I thought that was about as good as an EliteXC event could be. MMA enthusiasts got exactly what they wanted and the casual fan got to see Kimbo for exactly what he is.

Now what for Kimbo and EliteXC?

JailHouse · 10-05-2008, 11:46 AM

I think the fight was rigged to generate some talk.

ReproMan · 10-05-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JailHouse

I think the fight was rigged to generate some talk.

If it was rigged it would have gone the other way. This is exactly what EliteXC didn't want to happen.

Note the panic on Jared Shaw's face. LOL!

**P-funk** · 10-05-2008, 12:36 PM

I felt that the last event (a few months ago) were kimbo fought in was better than this one.

ReproMan · 10-05-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I felt that the last event (a few months ago) were kimbo fought in was better than this one.

From a talent standpoint this was by far the best card EliteXC has put together. Two fighters on this card are top 10 in their division (Arlovski and Shields).

**P-funk** · 10-05-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

From a talent standpoint this was by far the best card EliteXC has put together. Two fighters on this card are top 10 in their division (Arlovski and Shields).

i am just looking at it from an entertainment standpoint. I don't know anything about those fighters (or most fighters for that matter). I don't follow the sport religiously, like you guys do. I just like to watch when the events come on.

I just felt like the last one was a little more entertaining.

What is the deal? Are these guys allowed to fight in UFC and this federation? Or is it a one or the other thing? because it seems like a lot of these guys have had UFC fights before. And then that dumbass Tito Ortiz was there in the audiance saying he wants to fight in this federation. Is UFC starting to fade back and get challenged by other federations now?

ReproMan · 10-05-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

i am just looking at it from an entertainment standpoint. I don't know anything about those fighters (or most fighters for that matter). I don't follow the sport religiously, like you guys do. I just like to watch when the events come on.

I just felt like the last one was a little more entertaining.

What is the deal? Are these guys allowed to fight in UFC and this federation? Or is it a one or the other thing? because it seems like a lot of these guys have had UFC fights before. And then that dumbass Tito Ortiz was there in the audiance saying he wants to fight in this federation. Is UFC starting to fade back and get challenged by other federations now?

I hear ya, it's a refreshing perspective actually.

Basically try not to look at the UFC and EliteXC as leagues, but more like individual promotions like Golden Boy and Don King in boxing. They sign short term contracts like 2-3 fight deals over say a year's period. UFC signs their fighters to exclusive contracts which is why you rarely see them elsewhere, and Affliction for example who Arlovski fights for is willing to co-promote with other organizations and "loan" their fighters out.

It's basically UFC vs. the world when it comes to promotions. UFC has the lockdown hands down, they are the only major MMA organization that actually makes money. EliteXC is over 40 million in debt and Affliction lost money on their first event, so the smaller guys are willing to do anything they can to compete. Only EliteXC was just dealt another huge blow last night with their golden by Kimbo getting KO'd in 14 seconds.

Ortiz could be a major draw for EliteXC since his contract just expired with the UFC, but I'm not so sure EliteXC will be around much longer to find out.

**P-funk** · 10-05-2008, 02:44 PM

I wonder why these other promotional companies can't make money? It seems like it is incredibly popular and they get a good draw to their events and lots of people watch (especially since you don't have to pay for it like you do with UFC). It just seems like it is an easy sell.

ReproMan · 10-05-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I wonder why these other promotional companies can't make money? It seems like it is incredibly popular and they get a good draw to their events and lots of people watch (especially since you don't have to pay for it like you do with UFC). It just seems like it is an easy sell.

I just think it's to the point where MMA has so much exposure now that the average MMA fan realizes now when it's a sub-par product. UFC ran a replay of UFC 86 right up against the EliteXC broadcast last night, I'm curious to see what the ratings are because the UFC usually does pretty well up against other promotions even if it's not a live event. Also most people don't realize that UFC and MMA aren't one in the same. In fact, last night a few people I had over my house were still calling EliteXC, UFC.

UFC just knows how to market their product better than the rest and end up drawing the best names to fight for them because of it.

TrojanMan60563 · 10-05-2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

I wonder why these other promotional companies can't make money? It seems like it is incredibly popular and they get a good draw to their events and lots of people watch (especially since you don't have to pay for it like you do with UFC). It just seems like it is an easy sell.

I'm sure that counts for millions right there in jus PPV charges.

Screw why are the others not making it big like UFC. I want to know when Fedor is going to be let into the UFC to dominate and show who is truly the best fighter on earth. Are they waiting until the man ages and out of his prime? Its a joke!

Goodfella9783 · 10-05-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Fedor is going to be let into the UFC to dominate and show who is truly the best fighter on earth. Are they waiting until the man ages and out of his prime? Its a joke!

I honestly don't think he'd dominate as much as people think he may.

TrojanMan60563 · 10-05-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I honestly don't think he'd dominate as much as people think he may.

Did you watch his last fight? He made Tim Silvia look like Kimbo did last night. He rocked him like Silvia has never been in a ring before. Fedor will dominate without a doubt. His only loss was BS call from the ref due to an illegal strike that left him unable to fight...it was a joke...so the man is undefeated and very dangerous if you ask me. I think he would dominate the UFC without a doubt.

AKIRA · 10-05-2008, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReproMan

If it was rigged it would have gone the other way. This is exactly what EliteXC didn't want to happen.

Note the panic on Jared Shaw's face. LOL!

Who is Jared Shaw?

Goodfella9783 · 10-05-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Did you watch his last fight? He made Tim Silvia look like Kimbo did last night. He rocked him like Silvia has never been in a ring before. Fedor will dominate without a doubt. His only loss was BS call from the ref due to an illegal strike that left him unable to fight...it was a joke...so the man is undefeated and very dangerous if you ask me. I think he would dominate the UFC without a doubt.

Yeah I thought the Sylvia win was definately an impressive one. But Couture also rocked Sylvia with ease so that didn't show me much. For a 6'8" striker, Sylvia has awful defense. He was scared of the takedown attempt and was overwhelmed by Fedor's wild punch volume. Gonzaga, Mir, Kongo, Nog, Werdum all have a shot against him. The HW division as of now is pretty weak, but everyone also said that Cro Cop was gonna run right through it and look what happened.

AKIRA · 10-05-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yeah I thought the Sylvia win was definately an impressive one. But Couture also rocked Sylvia with ease so that didn't show me much. For a 6'8" striker, Sylvia has awful defense. He was scared of the takedown attempt and was overwhelmed by Fedor's wild punch volume. Gonzaga, Mir, Kongo, Nog, Werdum all have a shot against him. The HW division as of now is pretty weak, but everyone also said that Cro Cop was gonna run right through it and look what happened.

Not picking on you, but I am tired of the Fedor/Couture comparison cuz its still a total landslide.

Fedor & Sylvia = Tapout in the first minute of the first round

Couture & Sylvia = Decision after 5 fucking rounds.

10-04-2008, 07:20 PM	#1742
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,730 Photos: 8	Yeah, that was awesome. Normally the Shamrocks annoy me, but that was good. fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free. Last edited by fufu : 10-04-2008 at 07:49 PM.

10-04-2008, 10:08 PM	#1744
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	I Knew It!!! 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-04-2008, 10:09 PM	#1745
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	I Just Said On Another Forum, Kimbos Chances Prolly Just Got Worse. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-05-2008, 12:54 AM	#1749
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Yeah that jab straight left (was it?) didnt look powerful at all. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-05-2008, 08:47 AM	#1751
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,695	I didn't even make it to te kimbo fight. i fell asleep. that was a horrible event. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

10-04-2008, 07:11 PM	#1741
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Yeah, this shit is unreal... I love how Frank tried to step in, that's great.

10-04-2008, 10:14 PM	#1746
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Rofl!!!!

10-04-2008, 10:23 PM	#1747
Goodfella9783 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,226	"That was the most impressive win in MMA History" -Elite commentator on Petruzelli win WTF?!?! Couldn't believe the ref stood up Nelson when he was in side control and working in and out of the kimura on Arlovski. Bullshit IMO. LOL @ Frank's braces. You can tell he just got em with the little lisp. Reminds me of 6th grade.

10-05-2008, 12:51 AM	#1748
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,391 Photos: 1	Kimbo is a puss...what a terrible showing for him. He is just a hard hand, and that's about it.... apparently he has a glass jaw too.

10-05-2008, 09:24 AM	#1752
zombul Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 2,270	Agreed. Very disappointing.

10-05-2008, 09:41 AM	#1753
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,730 Photos: 8	I thought the event was good(for eliteXC), I went to sleep before Kimbo fought. Anyone gotta GIF? fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

10-05-2008, 10:09 AM	#1755
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,730 Photos: 8	Thanks DB. The commentator had a little too much coffee before the broadcast me thinks... fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

10-05-2008, 11:33 AM	#1756
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	I'd have to say that was defintely EliteXC's best effort to date. We got 5 fights in a 2 1/2 hour window which is a good amount of action. - I don't think we could have asked for more action in the Ninja/Radach fight, I thought that was decent. - The women didn't disappoint again. Plenty of action in that fight. The women always show more heart than the guys, they just bang it out and Carano picked apart yet another smaller, weaker opponent. - Questionable stand-up in the Arlovski fight although I don't think it would have changed the outcome in the longrun, fatboy was gassing. - Daley proved to be a legit opponent for Shields other than having zero ground game, but he sprawled and brawled enough to make it interesting. Goes to show that a GSP would steamroll him and a fighter like Diego Sanchez would probably outlast him for a decision. - And the main event... Could that have gone more perfectly? A light heavyweight coming in on short notice and putting Kimbo on the canvas with a weak right hand, then laying him flat with a little gnp to win it. HAHA! I thought that was about as good as an EliteXC event could be. MMA enthusiasts got exactly what they wanted and the casual fan got to see Kimbo for exactly what he is. Now what for Kimbo and EliteXC?

10-05-2008, 11:46 AM	#1757
JailHouse Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,600 Photos: 3	I think the fight was rigged to generate some talk. Jailhouse Journal

10-05-2008, 12:36 PM	#1759
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,695	I felt that the last event (a few months ago) were kimbo fought in was better than this one. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

10-05-2008, 02:44 PM	#1763
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,695	I wonder why these other promotional companies can't make money? It seems like it is incredibly popular and they get a good draw to their events and lots of people watch (especially since you don't have to pay for it like you do with UFC). It just seems like it is an easy sell. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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