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bio-chem · 10-05-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

If it was rigged it would have gone the other way. This is exactly what EliteXC didn't want to happen.

Note the panic on Jared Shaw's face. LOL!

is that hulk hogan to the back and left of shaw? (the viewers left)

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

is that hulk hogan to the back and left of shaw? (the viewers left)

Yeah, Hulk was there with his new girlfriend that looks just like his daughter.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 07:16 AM

YouTube Video

I should have made a video too..

Doublebase · 10-06-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Yeah, Hulk was there with his new girlfriend that looks just like his daughter.

I thought that was his daughter.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

I thought that was his daughter.

I did too until they did a close-up at one point.

TrojanMan60563 · 10-06-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Not picking on you, but I am tired of the Fedor/Couture comparison cuz its still a total landslide.

Fedor & Sylvia = Tapout in the first minute of the first round

Couture & Sylvia = Decision after 5 fucking rounds.

Exactly....first 36 seconds of the first round if my memory serves me correctly.

One of the coolest things about Fedor is he is so humble. Sylivia was talking mad shit about him, and Fedor never said anything in return. He just showed him what was really up. I've never seen Fedor talk the talk with anyone. That alone really impresses me. I can't stand cocky fighters. i.e. Kimbo turning his back to Sharmrock....or Kimbo not touching gloves with Seth when the ref asked them to. Sportsmanship goes a long way, and Fedor has loads of it, and insane talent to top it off.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Not picking on you, but I am tired of the Fedor/Couture comparison cuz its still a total landslide.

Fedor & Sylvia = Tapout in the first minute of the first round

Couture & Sylvia = Decision after 5 fucking rounds.

Not a great example considering Randy's style is built around his strengths which are wrestling, endurance and intelligence. Fedor's strengths are his Sambo and his explosiveness. Two very different fighters and very different gameplans. Randy is more than happy grinding out a decision, utlizing his clinch game in order to mentally and physically wear his opponent out. Fedor is just balls to the wall right out of the gate, which is impressive but it doesn't work every time. Fedor was in real trouble more than a few times in his career, and if those fighters (Kevin Randleman, Kaz Fujita, Mark Hunt) were true top ten caliber fighters (which they weren't) we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Yes Fedor has fought top talent, not taking that away from him but if I were to make an analogy I'd say that Fedor was in a non-BCS conference, playing chumps 90% of the time and only facing real talent once a season in the BCS Bowl game. If Fedor was in the SEC (UFC) facing top 25 teams all the time, there's no way in hell he'd still be undefeated. Just too much talent and far too many variables in MMA to say Fedor would steamroll everyone.

Goodfella9783 · 10-06-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Yes Fedor has fought top talent, not taking that away from him but if I were to make an analogy I'd say that Fedor was in a non-BCS conference, playing chumps 90% of the time and only facing real talent once a season in the BCS Bowl game. If Fedor was in the SEC (UFC) facing top 25 teams all the time, there's no way in hell he'd still be undefeated. Just too much talent and far too many variables in MMA to say Fedor would steamroll everyone.

Exactly my thoughts. Good post.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 10:10 AM

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"EliteXC: Heat" nabs 4.3 million viewers

by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Oct 06, 2008 at 9:08 am ET
Saturday's "EliteXC: Heat" broadcast, which aired on CBS live from the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla., drew 4.3 million viewers, according to early ratings information available to CBS executives.

The numbers were similar to the first "Saturday Night Fights" broadcast in May, which drew a solid average audience of 4.85 million viewers, and they were up sharply from the second EliteXC-CBS broadcast in July, which flopped with approximately 2.6 million viewers.

These latest numbers do not include the final 20 minutes of the "Heat" broadcast (the event ran past its two-hour timeslot), so the numbers should increase slightly when the night's main event is factored in.

However, despite the solid rebound in ratings, the latest "Saturday Night Fights" installment finished behind ABC's college football offerings, FOX's latest episode of "America's Most Wanted," and NBC's repeat of a "Law & Order: SVU" episode.

Full ratings for the event will be available on Tuesday.

"EliteXC: Heat" featured late replacement Seth Petruzelli's 14-second TKO upset of Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson, as well as victories for EliteXC welterweight champ Jake Shields, Andrei Arlovski (in a featured Affliction bout), top female star Gina Carano and Benji Radach.

CBS has contracted four live broadcasts from EliteXC. The fourth offering takes place in early 2009.

For complete "EliteXC: Heat" coverage, check out the MMA Events section of MMAjunkie.com.

Not too shabby. Will it be enough to keep EliteXC floating though?

AKIRA · 10-06-2008, 11:25 AM

Who is Jared Shaw? I looked him up and found zip.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Who is Jared Shaw? I looked him up and found zip.

Basically the "Dana White" of EliteXC, but Shaw has less responsibility with Pro Elite than Dana has with the UFC.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 02:14 PM

Cro-cop getting pissed at a Croatian talk-show host for talking shit about Big Nog:

YouTube Video

fufu · 10-06-2008, 03:29 PM

that was awesome!

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 03:54 PM

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Seth Petruzelli: Elite XC ‘didn’t want me to take’ Kimbo Slice down

By: James Iannotti

Props: Real Radio 104.1

“My original plan was to throw out push kicks, have him think that I’m gonna throw them more, and then to shoot in on him, obviously. But the promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down, let’s just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him.”

Not like it matters now, but Elite XC fighter Seth Petruzelli talks about the promotion “hinting” to keep his fight against Kimbo Slice this past Saturday night standing rather than to try and take the street brawler to the ground. He ended up ending the fight standing in just 14 seconds. “The Silverback” indicated that he was paid “six figures” to take the fight against Slice, which is a nice payday for the former contestant on The Ultimate Fighter. The interview took place today on “The Monsters in the Morning” — a popular Orlando radio program in which Petruzelli is a regular guest to discuss mixed martial arts — on Real Radio 104.1. It’s a very interesting listen to say the least.

Very interesting to hear a fighter actually say that. I wonder what this means in the grand scheme of things..

AKIRA · 10-06-2008, 06:25 PM

Oh yeah if anyone cares, I was asked if I was in the UFC 2 weeks ago. When I said no, he said "aw, shit, I thought for sure with that chin you got."

I thought good things up until the point that I had to swallow the fact that my jaw has grown to an obvious size to get asked this type of question.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Oh yeah if anyone cares, I was asked if I was in the UFC 2 weeks ago. When I said no, he said "aw, shit, I thought for sure with that chin you got."

I thought good things up until the point that I had to swallow the fact that my jaw has grown to an obvious size to get asked this type of question.

Haha!

Goodfella9783 · 10-06-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Cro-cop getting pissed at a Croatian talk-show host for talking shit about Big Nog:

YouTube Video

Never knew that about Nog (the truck running him over). What a trooper he must be jeez. No wonder he can take such a beating in the octagon and still prevail.

ReproMan · 10-06-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Never knew that about Nog (the truck running him over). What a trooper he must be jeez. No wonder he can take such a beating in the octagon and still prevail.

Next time you watch him fight, look at his back. Hes got a huge chunk of meat missing from it because of the accident.

fufu · 10-06-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Oh yeah if anyone cares, I was asked if I was in the UFC 2 weeks ago. When I said no, he said "aw, shit, I thought for sure with that chin you got."

I thought good things up until the point that I had to swallow the fact that my jaw has grown to an obvious size to get asked this type of question.

nice!

TrojanMan60563 · 10-06-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Not a great example considering Randy's style is built around his strengths which are wrestling, endurance and intelligence. Fedor's strengths are his Sambo and his explosiveness. Two very different fighters and very different gameplans. Randy is more than happy grinding out a decision, utlizing his clinch game in order to mentally and physically wear his opponent out. Fedor is just balls to the wall right out of the gate, which is impressive but it doesn't work every time. Fedor was in real trouble more than a few times in his career, and if those fighters (Kevin Randleman, Kaz Fujita, Mark Hunt) were true top ten caliber fighters (which they weren't) we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Yes Fedor has fought top talent, not taking that away from him but if I were to make an analogy I'd say that Fedor was in a non-BCS conference, playing chumps 90% of the time and only facing real talent once a season in the BCS Bowl game. If Fedor was in the SEC (UFC) facing top 25 teams all the time, there's no way in hell he'd still be undefeated. Just too much talent and far too many variables in MMA to say Fedor would steamroll everyone.

Fedor is explosive and powerful out of the gate, but he has gone the distance quite a few times and his pace does not change much as the rounds go on. He really does not have any major flaws that I can tell. His only flaw is not being put in the ring at a UFC promoted event. I have spent so much time watching Fedor fights from the past and I see no major flaws in his standing or ground game. He can put you out with one punch, he can ground and pound, or he can submit a person all equally as well. His defense is equally as impressive. I have seem him get himself out of a lot of crap and in most cases turn the tides from getting ready to be submitted to submitting the other fighter. I really cannot think of anything he lacks in talent. Can you?

CORUM · 10-06-2008, 11:28 PM

what happen to all those people that THOUGHT kimbo was the real deal??? told EVERYBODY he is GARBAGE!!!! he got beat by a guy that couldnt hack it in the UFC. guess he is not ready for the professionals yet. he needs to back to the streets where he can punk those weak guys that cant fight!!!

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Fedor is explosive and powerful out of the gate, but he has gone the distance quite a few times and his pace does not change much as the rounds go on. He really does not have any major flaws that I can tell. His only flaw is not being put in the ring at a UFC promoted event. I have spent so much time watching Fedor fights from the past and I see no major flaws in his standing or ground game. He can put you out with one punch, he can ground and pound, or he can submit a person all equally as well. His defense is equally as impressive. I have seem him get himself out of a lot of crap and in most cases turn the tides from getting ready to be submitted to submitting the other fighter. I really cannot think of anything he lacks in talent. Can you?

Number one, his striking technique is pathetic. He throws loopy almost open handed strikes. He's broken his hand/wrist on more than one occasion and managed to do it in the :36 it took him to destroy Sylvia. Plus he doesn't have kicks, one less thing for someone with a good gameplan to worry about. The only people you really have to match Fedor's ability against are fighters that are completely out-matched by him. Nog is a horrbile match-up for Fedor, they do the same things but Fedor is explosive. Cro-cop isn't a good measuring stick, it's pretty apparent how one dimensional he is, and his "legendary sprawl" turned out to be anything but legendary. He did kick Big Tim's ass, but when has Tim every showed composuer in times of duress? Everytime a talented grappler gets a hold of something, he panicks and either taps, or gets something damaged.

Go back and watch the Lindland fight for me. Lindland is a middleweight with an identical style of one Randy Couture and he had no problem getting under the sloppy striking, securing a body clinch and getting a takedown.. Well almost. I realize that the fight ended soon after that, but not before Fedor grabbed the ropes to sway momentum in his favor. Not saying that would have changed the outcome, but if a middleweight can use gameplan and technique to secure a takedown on Fedor, I'm not so sure why a larger, equally talented wrestler can't do the same. Especially one of Randy's experience.

Like I said about him escaping trouble before, they were B level fighters he "survived" against. If someone of considerable skill put him in one of those situations, the chances he gets out are much slimmer. PRIDE had a way of presenting fighters and making them appear larger than life. Fedor built his legacy on beating fighters like Heath Herring, Cro-cop, Mark Coleman, Noguiera and now Tim Sylvia and it was cemented by having Fedor beat up on chumps like Zuluhino, Hong Man Choi, Kevin Randleman, Kaz Fujita (a wrestler that nearly KO'd Fedor) and Nayoa Ogawa in between. When you take a step back and look at that list, it's really not impressive. When's the last time GSP fought someone that wasn't top ten or a champion? How about Randy?

Like I said before, I still think Fedor is top 3 P4P and a great fighter. But I'm not going to let the hype-machine known as PRIDE skew my judgement., he's fast and strong and impressive for a man his size, but defintely beatable.

tallcall · 10-07-2008, 06:25 AM

I am so happy somebody finally put Kimbo in his place for once (on his knees or on the floor). And to top it off it was a gay guy from Orlando that did it (I don't care if it was luck - and I swear I had nothing to do with this

)! I know people who used to train with him at his gym (they don't have a very high opinion of him). I think he just put Orlando back on the map for a little while.

Now I'm wondering if I'll see him at the PRIDE event this Sunday. I want his autograph for this (first guy to put Kimbo down - hell yeah).

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 06:49 AM

Is Seth really gay?

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

what happen to all those people that THOUGHT kimbo was the real deal??? told EVERYBODY he is GARBAGE!!!! he got beat by a guy that couldnt hack it in the UFC. guess he is not ready for the professionals yet. he needs to back to the streets where he can punk those weak guys that cant fight!!!

The only people that thought Kimbo was the real deal, didn't know much about MMA to begin with. Which is most people actually, lol.

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 07:17 AM

More on Petruzelli's comments about EliteXC asking him to keep the fight standing:

Did EliteXC Attempt to Bribe Seth Petruzelli? - MMA on Tap

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Did EliteXC Attempt to Bribe Seth Petruzelli?

Oct 06, 2008 6:37 PM John Chandler

It’s already been a bad start to the week for EliteXC because of the demise of Kimbo Slice and unfortunately for them, it could be getting worse. In an interview this morning with Orlando, Florida’s 104.1 FM “Monsters" morning show, Seth Petruzelli discussed his quick win over Slice on Saturday night.

Normally it wouldn’t be a big deal, but it was what Petruzelli said close to ten minutes into the interview that has caught the attention of many in the mixed martial arts community this evening. According to Petruzelli’s original comments on the show, EliteXC officials offered to pay him extra if he promised to stand and strike with Slice.
“My original plan was to use push kicks and have him think that I’m going to throw them and then rush in on him and take him down,” Petruzelli said on the show. “I have kind of an awkward style so I knew that I would do alright on the feet with him. The promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money, to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down, let’s just put it that way.”

Would the above be considered “fixing” a fight? I’m not going to dive into it too much but I’m sure one could certainly see it that way. MMA on Tap contacted EliteXC for an official response to Petruzelli’s comments earlier this evening but didn’t return comment by the time of publication. Since then, Petruzelli has told Five Ounces of Pain what he said on the show didn’t mean what everyone else now thinks:

“What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground,” Petruzelli said. “That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me.”
Upon being asked directly whether EliteXC officials had even hinted that he could receive a bonus by keeping the fight standing, Petruzelli clarified that no such act had taken place.
“No,” he responded. “Look, even the UFC gives knockout bonuses. Everyone gives knockout bonuses. There’s knockout bonuses, submission bonuses, all sorts of bonuses. I just wanted to keep it standing because I felt I could beat (Kimbo) at his own game.”

It’s key to note that on the show, Petruzelli was asked about his original strategy going into the fight before making the comment about EliteXC and their wanting to have the fight stay on the feet for the most part. Whether Petruzelli minced words and truly meant something else might not be totally known regardless since EliteXC will likely vehemently deny any of the reports out there completely and try to kill the issue.

I guess he realized he shouldn't have said that..

AKIRA · 10-07-2008, 09:37 AM

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Would the above be considered “fixing” a fight? I’m not going to dive into it too much but I’m sure one could certainly see it that way.

How would that be considered fixing a fight? He traded, he got a hit, Kimbo went down. All while standing. So he shouldnt have down a ground and pound?

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

How would that be considered fixing a fight? He traded, he got a hit, Kimbo went down. All while standing. So he shouldnt have down a ground and pound?

Because they specifically asked him not to take the fight to the ground, which is Kimbo's obvious weakness. Something's just not right about a fighter getting paid on the side by the promoter to fight a specific way. As it turns out, he didn't need to take him down to kick his ass...

AKIRA · 10-07-2008, 11:57 AM

So they wanted to trade with him standing and if Kimbo got caught, let him fall and get back up.. Now that would declare a rigged fight..

ReproMan · 10-07-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

So they wanted to trade with him standing and if Kimbo got caught, let him fall and get back up.. Now that would declare a rigged fight..

For the promoters to say anything in regards to how a fighter should fight against a given opponent, and compensating him monetarily to ensure their request is fulfilled is unethical.

10-06-2008, 11:25 AM	#1780
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Who is Jared Shaw? I looked him up and found zip. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-06-2008, 03:29 PM	#1783
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,730 Photos: 8	that was awesome! fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

10-06-2008, 06:25 PM	#1785
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Oh yeah if anyone cares, I was asked if I was in the UFC 2 weeks ago. When I said no, he said "aw, shit, I thought for sure with that chin you got." I thought good things up until the point that I had to swallow the fact that my jaw has grown to an obvious size to get asked this type of question. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-07-2008, 06:25 AM	#1793
tallcall The Evil Director is IN Elite Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,897 Photos: 12	I am so happy somebody finally put Kimbo in his place for once (on his knees or on the floor). And to top it off it was a gay guy from Orlando that did it (I don't care if it was luck - and I swear I had nothing to do with this )! I know people who used to train with him at his gym (they don't have a very high opinion of him). I think he just put Orlando back on the map for a little while. Now I'm wondering if I'll see him at the PRIDE event this Sunday. I want his autograph for this (first guy to put Kimbo down - hell yeah). First Place Florida State Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Champions - My guys - "Team Brotherhood"

10-07-2008, 11:57 AM	#1799
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	So they wanted to trade with him standing and if Kimbo got caught, let him fall and get back up.. Now that would declare a rigged fight.. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

10-06-2008, 11:28 PM	#1791
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 557	what happen to all those people that THOUGHT kimbo was the real deal??? told EVERYBODY he is GARBAGE!!!! he got beat by a guy that couldnt hack it in the UFC. guess he is not ready for the professionals yet. he needs to back to the streets where he can punk those weak guys that cant fight!!!

10-07-2008, 06:49 AM	#1794
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