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Goodfella9783 · 10-07-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

For the promoters to say anything in regards to how a fighter should fight against a given opponent, and compensating him monetarily to ensure their request is fulfilled is unethical.

Doublebase · 10-07-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

what happen to all those people that THOUGHT kimbo was the real deal??? told EVERYBODY he is GARBAGE!!!! he got beat by a guy that couldnt hack it in the UFC. guess he is not ready for the professionals yet. he needs to back to the streets where he can punk those weak guys that cant fight!!!

I don't think anyone here thought that.

Goodfella9783 · 10-07-2008, 08:39 PM

YouTube Video

fufu · 10-07-2008, 08:57 PM

That looks pretty damn good if that is actual playing footage.

PreMier · 10-09-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Number one, his striking technique is pathetic. He throws loopy almost open handed strikes. He's broken his hand/wrist on more than one occasion and managed to do it in the :36 it took him to destroy Sylvia. Plus he doesn't have kicks, one less thing for someone with a good gameplan to worry about. The only people you really have to match Fedor's ability against are fighters that are completely out-matched by him. Nog is a horrbile match-up for Fedor, they do the same things but Fedor is explosive. Cro-cop isn't a good measuring stick, it's pretty apparent how one dimensional he is, and his "legendary sprawl" turned out to be anything but legendary. He did kick Big Tim's ass, but when has Tim every showed composuer in times of duress? Everytime a talented grappler gets a hold of something, he panicks and either taps, or gets something damaged.

Go back and watch the Lindland fight for me. Lindland is a middleweight with an identical style of one Randy Couture and he had no problem getting under the sloppy striking, securing a body clinch and getting a takedown.. Well almost. I realize that the fight ended soon after that, but not before Fedor grabbed the ropes to sway momentum in his favor. Not saying that would have changed the outcome, but if a middleweight can use gameplan and technique to secure a takedown on Fedor, I'm not so sure why a larger, equally talented wrestler can't do the same. Especially one of Randy's experience.

Like I said about him escaping trouble before, they were B level fighters he "survived" against. If someone of considerable skill put him in one of those situations, the chances he gets out are much slimmer. PRIDE had a way of presenting fighters and making them appear larger than life. Fedor built his legacy on beating fighters like Heath Herring, Cro-cop, Mark Coleman, Noguiera and now Tim Sylvia and it was cemented by having Fedor beat up on chumps like Zuluhino, Hong Man Choi, Kevin Randleman, Kaz Fujita (a wrestler that nearly KO'd Fedor) and Nayoa Ogawa in between. When you take a step back and look at that list, it's really not impressive. When's the last time GSP fought someone that wasn't top ten or a champion? How about Randy?

Like I said before, I still think Fedor is top 3 P4P and a great fighter. But I'm not going to let the hype-machine known as PRIDE skew my judgement., he's fast and strong and impressive for a man his size, but defintely beatable.

ANYONE is beatable.. so thats kind of a blanket statement. Fedor is good, and IMO he is the best fighter out there.

who do you think could beat him right now?

tallcall · 10-09-2008, 12:01 PM

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Is Seth really gay?

That's what's going around here, and I hope it's true (Kimbo got beaten by a lighter weight - 30 lbs lighter - gay boy from Orlando!).

ReproMan · 10-09-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

ANYONE is beatable.. so thats kind of a blanket statement. Fedor is good, and IMO he is the best fighter out there.

who do you think could beat him right now?

What makes him the best fighter out there though? I think Anderson Silva and BJ Penn are better P4P, at least they fight anyone and everyone put infront of them. Fedor's opponents are basically hand picked by his cronies.

I think in time, Cain Velasquez will be an absolute beast and will give anyone and everyone nightmares. Right now he's only had 3 professional fights, one was a 2 minutes destruction of Jake O'Brien, a guy that beat Heath Herring and took Arlovski deep into the 2nd round. I feel the same about Brock Lesnar too but they are just too green at the moment.

Honestly, Randy could give Fedor fits. I know he's capable of putting Fedor on his back, the question is can he survive for 25 minutes which he'll probably need to do to beat Fedor. Randy would fight Fedor much like he fought Chuck the first time only Fedor's looping shots would be easier to get inside of than Chuck's strikes, a perfect match for a Greco guy. Fedor would get a taste of elbows for the first time in his career in that fight, so that would be another factor considering how easliy Fedor seems to cut and bruise. We've never seen anyone really implement a gameplan vs. Fedor, they seem to just let him to excecute his (Big Tim was shitting his pants before he even got in the ring). Whenever someone brings the fight right to Fedor they get him in all sorts of trouble but they fail to capitalize (Fujita almost KO'd him, Mark Hunt with no ground skills at all had side control for many minutes and almost pulled off a sub). If someone of Randy's caliber and his level of composure get Fedor in trouble, we'll see him lose.

I'm not so sure Barnett will give Fedor much of a fight, but he's got as good a chance as most. As long as he doesn't get caught with a windmill shot he should make it competitive, he certainly won't tap in 5 seconds like Big Tim did. And once again if he gets Fedor in trouble, expect him to capitalize as well.

Arlovski has all the tools but much like Big Tim, he has mental lapses that cost him position, and sometimes fights. His striking techinique is superior to Fedor's in every way so if he could keep it standing, he could take Fedor out too.

ReproMan · 10-09-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tallcall

That's what's going around here, and I hope it's true (Kimbo got beaten by a lighter weight - 30 lbs lighter - gay boy from Orlando!).

He's married, but who knows..

Goodfella9783 · 10-09-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

I think Anderson Silva and BJ Penn are better P4P.

Easily. Not even close.

ReproMan · 10-10-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Easily. Not even close.

To be honest, I'd really like to see Anderson fight Fedor. I've never seen anyone with Anderson's timing and accuracy outside of a boxing ring, and he's not a small guy either. Anderson would probably only give up 10 lbs or so come fight time and you know he's got the power to KO anyone, his fists are fuckin dynamite.

Richie1888 · 10-10-2008, 07:57 AM

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To be honest, I'd really like to see Anderson fight Fedor. I've never seen anyone with Anderson's timing and accuracy outside of a boxing ring, and he's not a small guy either. Anderson would probably only give up 10 lbs or so come fight time and you know he's got the power to KO anyone, his fists are fuckin dynamite.

but if fedor took it down would u favour fedor with the weight adantage ?

tallcall · 10-10-2008, 08:09 AM

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He's married, but who knows..

There are a lot of gay guys on Craigslist who are married, some with kids, looking for sex with other men. It's really sad and scary at the same time.

Also, it's not exactly easy to do MMA and be openly gay, his marriage could be just to mask it. Coming out of the closet can still ruin careers.

ReproMan · 10-10-2008, 08:12 AM

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but if fedor took it down would u favour fedor with the weight adantage ?

Well, you'd have to, but you also have to remember that they are fighting 5 minute rounds so Anderson would get the chance to get on his feet at least 5 times, opposed to the 3 times that Fedor was used to in PRIDE. Also, Fedor doesn't really have a shot, he likes to work from the clinch so he'd have to avoid Anderson's strikes for 25 minutes in order to get the takedown, which nobody has done in years. Fedor likes to close the distance with his trademark looping punches and Anderson would have a good chance of taking advantage of that with his pinpoint accutate punches. I would defintely favor Fedor in the fight, but Anderson has that 1 punch KO power and technically far superior stand-up skills.

ReproMan · 10-10-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tallcall

There are a lot of gay guys on Craigslist who are married, some with kids, looking for sex with other men. It's really sad and scary at the same time.

Also, it's not exactly easy to do MMA and be openly gay, his marriage could be just to mask it. Coming out of the closet can still ruin careers.

I definitely don't disagree with that. I was just mentioning that the other night while watching Gina Carano. I was laughing at the fact that she's always fighting girls that say she's hot. Tonya Evinger went as far as saying that Gina's boobs bouncing in her face distracted her and caused her to lose. I doubt that would fly with the guys. LOL!

TrojanMan60563 · 10-10-2008, 09:05 AM

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Well, you'd have to, but you also have to remember that they are fighting 5 minute rounds so Anderson would get the chance to get on his feet at least 5 times, opposed to the 3 times that Fedor was used to in PRIDE. Also, Fedor doesn't really have a shot, he likes to work from the clinch so he'd have to avoid Anderson's strikes for 25 minutes in order to get the takedown, which nobody has done in years. Fedor likes to close the distance with his trademark looping punches and Anderson would have a good chance of taking advantage of that with his pinpoint accutate punches. I would defintely favor Fedor in the fight, but Anderson has that 1 punch KO power and technically far superior stand-up skills.

How does Fedor not have a stand up game? He has 1 punch KO power. The only reason he choked out TS is because he knocked him to the ground in the first 5 seconds of the match with 1 punch???

Goodfella9783 · 10-10-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

How does Fedor not have a stand up game? He has 1 punch KO power. The only reason he choked out TS is because he knocked him to the ground in the first 5 seconds of the match with 1 punch???

Fedor does have a stand up game. It's just sloppy. Anderson's is light years ahead technically. Watch a HL reel of Fedor. When he's in striking mode, he literally just tees off with looping power punches with his head straight up. I'm not saying that can't be effective and overwhelming in some instances because he has super power and a crazy ground game that guys have in the back of their minds. A lot of guys will back off and try to weather the storm while the accumulation of Fedor's strikes end up knocking them down.

But if you put Fedor in with someone like Silva in a strictly striking setting, it wouldn't last very long. Silva's boxing skills are so much better it really can't even be debated. Add in his kicks and clinch game/knees and it's pretty much a wrap. I'd have to take time to think about how an MMA match would go between the two. Just comparing the two in striking is a joke though.

ReproMan · 10-10-2008, 10:23 AM

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How does Fedor not have a stand up game? He has 1 punch KO power. The only reason he choked out TS is because he knocked him to the ground in the first 5 seconds of the match with 1 punch???

I don't see anywhere in that quote where I said he didn't have a stand-up game, but having 1 punch KO power and having a technically sound stand-up game are 2 completely different things. Fedor counts on the fact that his opponents will get overwhelmed with his windmill bombs in order to get in close and secure a takedown. Do you really think that strategy would take Anderson Silva, who is quite possibly the best/most composed striker in MMA, out of his game? I don't.

The only reason he choked out Timmay so quicly is because Tim lacks composuer. He's weak mentally.

BoneCrusher · 10-10-2008, 12:49 PM

I'd have posted on this earlier, but I was eating crow and it's bad form to speak while chewing.

Kimbo? Kimbo who? How'd he survive the streets with no chin?

I'm still on with Randy has a good shot vs Fedor. His size gives him an advantage just because he doesn't have 12' arms waiting for a sub, and he doesn't need a step stool to crank up Fedor's chin. His technique fits Fedor's perfectly. Someday ...

Silva vs anyone is bad for anyone. No one even wants to fight the guy. His fights now are all required match-ups by UFC promoters. There is no fighter out there yelling "C'mon silva lets go" ... and why is that? Self preservation kicking in.

ReproMan · 10-10-2008, 01:18 PM

Bah, who woulda thunk Ken would get injured and replaced by a real fighter. I do know that as soon as I heard Seth was filling in I knew Kimbo was going to lose, just not that quickly..

ReproMan · 10-11-2008, 11:59 AM

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Report: Fedor-Arlovski Set for Affliction II

Oct 10, 2008 4:44 PM John Chandler

Perennial heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko and former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski will reportedly clash in a bout for the WAMMA heavyweight title that will headline Afflictionâ€™s rescheduled â€œDay of Reckoningâ€ show, which is currently slated for January 24 according to MMARated.com.

Affliction Entertainment Vice President Tom Atencio confirmed the news with the website earlier today. No other details were given except that the card will be comprised strictly of mixed martial arts and not a limited amount of boxing matches as previously expected. An official announcement regarding the event is expected next week.

Emelianenko and Arlovski were originally supposed to meet on the eventâ€™s previously scheduled date of October 11 but Emelianenko was scratched from the event due to a lingering hand injury. Former UFC and PRIDE standout Josh Barnett was matched up against Arlovski instead but was passed on this time around due to rumored communication issues with Affliction management.

Emelianenko was victorious in his stateside debut on July 19, scoring a 36 second submission of former UFC title holder Tim Sylvia at Afflictionâ€™s â€œBannedâ€ show. The win was Emelianenkoâ€™s first over a highly ranked opponent in his own weight division since he won a decision over Mirko Filipovic at PRIDE Final Conflict 2005.

Arlovski extended his winning streak to five last Saturday night, knocking out former IFL heavyweight champion Ben Rothwell in the second round of their featured bout at EliteXCâ€™s â€œHeatâ€ show. He was also victorious at Afflictionâ€™s inaugural show in July, scoring a KO of Ben Rothwell as well.

Looks like we'll get to find out in a few months!! Fedor is defintely the favorite in this fight, but Arlovski has all the tools to take Fedor out. I'm pulling for AA.

PreMier · 10-11-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Fedor does have a stand up game. It's just sloppy. Anderson's is light years ahead technically. Watch a HL reel of Fedor. When he's in striking mode, he literally just tees off with looping power punches with his head straight up. I'm not saying that can't be effective and overwhelming in some instances because he has super power and a crazy ground game that guys have in the back of their minds. A lot of guys will back off and try to weather the storm while the accumulation of Fedor's strikes end up knocking them down.

But if you put Fedor in with someone like Silva in a strictly striking setting, it wouldn't last very long. Silva's boxing skills are so much better it really can't even be debated. Add in his kicks and clinch game/knees and it's pretty much a wrap. I'd have to take time to think about how an MMA match would go between the two. Just comparing the two in striking is a joke though.

:w its:

you all make me LOL.. fedor has great standup.. it works!!! just because its not 'text book' doesnt mean its not technical. look at jardine.. he has aweful looking standup, but he beat chuck at his own game (who a lot of people think has a great striking game).

the fact is fedor hasnt fucking lost! why? because he is good. i cant believe all the shit people talk, its totally amazing to me.

ReproMan · 10-11-2008, 12:26 PM

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:w its:

you all make me LOL.. fedor has great standup.. it works!!! just because its not 'text book' doesnt mean its not technical. look at jardine.. he has aweful looking standup, but he beat chuck at his own game (who a lot of people think has a great striking game).

the fact is fedor hasnt fucking lost! why? because he is good. i cant believe all the shit people talk, its totally amazing to me.

I guess you didn't read my post... There is a difference between having great stand-up and throwing hard punches and you obviously can't make the distinction. You can't have "great stand-up" in MMA and not even have kicks in your arsenal. Jardine, while extremely unorthodox, has good striking. He has great kicks and though his punches look awkward as well, at least connects with them properly. Fedor on the other hand has a "lingering hand injury". Geee, I wonder why that is?

There was an Inside MMA episode where Bas talks about Fedor's poor technique and how it has led to the recurring hand injury. The video isn't working but one of Bas' quotes are in the article:

"Inside MMA" preview: More on Fedor Emelianenko's hand injury | MMAjunkie.com

Nobody is saying that Fedor isn't effective or isn't good, just not a technically sound striker. If he has any weaknesses it's his striking technique and if he continues to fight the top guys, eventually someone will expose it.

PreMier · 10-11-2008, 12:36 PM

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I guess you didn't read my post... There is a difference between having great stand-up and throwing hard punches and you obviously can't make the distinction. You can't have "great stand-up" in MMA and not even have kicks in your arsenal. Jardine, while extremely unorthodox, has good striking. He has great kicks and though his punches look awkward as well, at least connects with them properly. Fedor on the other hand has a "lingering hand injury". Geee, I wonder why that is?

There was an Inside MMA episode where Bas talks about Fedor's poor technique and how it has led to the recurring hand injury. The video isn't working but one of Bas' quotes are in the article:

"Inside MMA" preview: More on Fedor Emelianenko's hand injury | MMAjunkie.com

Nobody is saying that Fedor isn't effective or isn't good, just not a technically sound striker. If he has any weaknesses it's his striking technique and if he continues to fight the top guys, eventually someone will expose it.

dont fucking insult me by telling me i dont know what im talking about bro.. i think we can agree to disagree here.

fedor is a great fighter imo and his record shows that. he has his style of fighting and it doesnt need to incorporate kicks. would he be more effective if it did? sure it would, but again he hasnt needed to focus on kicking.. because he is winning with what he is using.

your right, if he continues to fight top fighters he will probably lose. no one in mma has a perfect record that fights the best of the best, but again thats a total blanket statement imo. right now i really dont feel there is anyone in mma that could beat him. but its mma, and you never know.

ReproMan · 10-11-2008, 01:53 PM

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dont fucking insult me by telling me i dont know what im talking about bro.. i think we can agree to disagree here.

Well, you don't.

It's one thing to tell me that he's a great fighter and he's one of the best in the world. I agree with that. But to sit here and say he's a great striker is just false. He hits hard and people are scared of him. That's about the extent of it..

ReproMan · 10-11-2008, 02:32 PM

Holy shit, Dave "Pee Wee" Herman just might be the real deal himself. He can take a shot too. This fight happened last night:

Dave Herman vs Kerry Schall ShoXC 10-10-08 Video - Watch MMA Fights Free Videos

Goodfella9783 · 10-11-2008, 05:54 PM

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dont fucking insult me by telling me i dont know what im talking about bro.. i think we can agree to disagree here.

fedor is a great fighter imo and his record shows that. he has his style of fighting and it doesnt need to incorporate kicks. would he be more effective if it did? sure it would, but again he hasnt needed to focus on kicking.. because he is winning with what he is using.

your right, if he continues to fight top fighters he will probably lose. no one in mma has a perfect record that fights the best of the best, but again thats a total blanket statement imo. right now i really dont feel there is anyone in mma that could beat him. but its mma, and you never know.

He IS a great fighter! Top 3 P4P easy. No ones denying that. It's his STAND-UP game we're criticizing. Just because he wins all his fights doesn't mean his stand-up is good dude. Matt Hughes won most of his fights in his prime. His stand-up sucked balls too.

Fedor's knuckle game is bogus man. It doesn't take a boxing trainer to see that. But it doesn't matter because he's a big powerful dude who overwhelms his opponents with haymakers because they don't have the stand-up defense that guys like Anderson Silva have. That "go ape shit" punching technique wouldn't work for shit against Anderson.

ReproMan · 10-11-2008, 07:22 PM

Live streaming fights:

Sherdog Live Fights | UWC | Confrontation

fufu · 10-12-2008, 11:36 PM

Great video of Dana White going off on EliteXc -

YouTube Video

TrojanMan60563 · 10-13-2008, 01:48 AM

Dana has a point, but I am 100% HE himself has probably done things to make money at someone elses expense. That crap happens all over the place with any huge company.

As for Fedor's hand...I'm sure his hand could be injured due to the power behind those punches more then the bad form. My best friend broke his hand punching a kid in the face, and the bone that broke was on his middle finger on the top of his hand...that isn't about form....that has to do with the bone in the hand gave out before the other persons skull.

ReproMan · 10-13-2008, 06:50 AM

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Dana has a point, but I am 100% HE himself has probably done things to make money at someone elses expense. That crap happens all over the place with any huge company.

As for Fedor's hand...I'm sure his hand could be injured due to the power behind those punches more then the bad form. My best friend broke his hand punching a kid in the face, and the bone that broke was on his middle finger on the top of his hand...that isn't about form....that has to do with the bone in the hand gave out before the other persons skull.

It's a recurring injury, this isn't the first, or the second time it's kept him sidelined. Ya know, I swear you guys don't read these posts, I've stated that 2 times now....

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10-10-2008, 12:49 PM	#1818
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,589	I'd have posted on this earlier, but I was eating crow and it's bad form to speak while chewing. Kimbo? Kimbo who? How'd he survive the streets with no chin? I'm still on with Randy has a good shot vs Fedor. His size gives him an advantage just because he doesn't have 12' arms waiting for a sub, and he doesn't need a step stool to crank up Fedor's chin. His technique fits Fedor's perfectly. Someday ... Silva vs anyone is bad for anyone. No one even wants to fight the guy. His fights now are all required match-ups by UFC promoters. There is no fighter out there yelling "C'mon silva lets go" ... and why is that? Self preservation kicking in.

10-10-2008, 01:18 PM	#1819
ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Bah, who woulda thunk Ken would get injured and replaced by a real fighter. I do know that as soon as I heard Seth was filling in I knew Kimbo was going to lose, just not that quickly..

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ReproMan SeÃ±or Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,260	Holy shit, Dave "Pee Wee" Herman just might be the real deal himself. He can take a shot too. This fight happened last night: Dave Herman vs Kerry Schall ShoXC 10-10-08 Video - Watch MMA Fights Free Videos

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10-13-2008, 01:48 AM	#1829
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,391 Photos: 1	Dana has a point, but I am 100% HE himself has probably done things to make money at someone elses expense. That crap happens all over the place with any huge company. As for Fedor's hand...I'm sure his hand could be injured due to the power behind those punches more then the bad form. My best friend broke his hand punching a kid in the face, and the bone that broke was on his middle finger on the top of his hand...that isn't about form....that has to do with the bone in the hand gave out before the other persons skull.