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AP - Judgment day arrived for baseball's steroids era, with the Mitchell report set to be released and posted on the Internet for all to see. The first name to emerge Thursday was seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens.



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I Are Baboon

What a buttknuckle.

P-funk

who cares?

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I Are Baboon

America does, you commie.

IainDaniel

Good thing I live in Canuck-land cause I don't give a shit.

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I Are Baboon

RSS Feed Robot cares about this subject. Show him (or her?) some respect.

IainDaniel

RSS Feed Robot can lick my balls.

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cheesegrater

i wonder what the disparity between condemnation/ support of the mitchell report would be on this board versus the general public/ sports fan's viewpoints...

"fuck it all, and fucking no regrets"

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largepkg

I think most of us understand the competitive nature of sports and the drive it requires to do what some can't/won't.

NordicNacho

Clemens is a peice of shit who will now be barred from the hall of fame.


Hope it was worth it.

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I Are Baboon

It'll be interesting to see the fallout from this report. I'm curious as to how bad a hit Clemens' reputation is going to take.

cheesegrater

uhh, yeah...

anyway, it's interesting that of all the big names, none of them are the players who are "carrying" the league right now. Are we supposed to believe that when Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, Clemens, Tejada, Gagne, Giambi etc were doing things nobody had ever done they were dirty, but now, when Pujols, ARod, Ortiz, Santana, Manny etc are doing things nobody has ever done, they're clean?

"fuck it all, and fucking no regrets"

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IainDaniel

Clemens is still awesome.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

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cheesegrater

just to be clear, i don't necessarily care that X great player is doing roids, because i think they all are, so X player isn't cheating. Just be open about it. If nobody was doing drugs, then i'd feel cheated by watching Bonds. But under the assumption that if 100% of players are doing drugs that the disparity between the great and the good remains the same, Bonds is still the best since Babe Ruth.

i can't be convinced that ARod isn't on it, or Pujols, or any pitcher throwing 102mph....or that Lance Armstrong wasn't taking whatever cyclists take, but if every cyclist was doping, and his main competitors have all been implicated, does his doping tarnish his record? What kills me is that we're expected to believe two years after he's nearly dead and depleted from chemotherapy, he wins 7 tours in a row, clean, against a field riddled with drug use.

btw, if there were open and comprehensive steroid/ HGH tests in the NFL, i'm putting the over under at 99%, and i dont think that'd be a shock value number.

"fuck it all, and fucking no regrets"

James Hetfield

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WillBrink

Here's what I wrote about the issue after talking to Senetor Mitchell's group:

As some of you who follow this issue, you may recall that pro baseball tasked George Mitchell, Senate Majority Leader and ex senator from ME, to look into the “steroid problem.” I was interviewed by Senator Mitchell’s group about this issue, though I have nothing directly to do with pro baseball or any pro baseball players. They asked my opinion on what could be done, how prevalent did I think steroid use was in pro baseball, did I think it was higher then in pro football, and a bunch of others, but you get the idea. So what did I tell them? The major points I made to them was this:

• If they truly want to make a dent in the use of steroids in pro baseball, they will need to initiate true random testing as the IOC does (though I suspect the union would never go for that)

• I made it clear to them that the people who develop these “designer” steroids and advise the athletes in the use of these compounds, are at least 10 steps ahead of the testers, so drug use will always be a part of pro sports. Some drugs, such as Growth Hormone, can’t be tested for at all! Neither can a whole mess of different drugs.

• Relating to the last comments above, I told them that as long as we pay grown men millions of dollars to hit or catch a ball and view them as heroes and demigods, there would always be drugs in pro sports.

• Finally, I told them the real problem in baseball is not steroids, it’s the use of amphetamines also known as “greenies” in baseball circles. Times Sports Columnist Gary Shelton, recently wrote an article that spilled the beans. His article was called “Steroids hoopla overshadowing deadlier drug” and was Published November 18, 2005. As Mr. Shelton put it:

“… in witch-hunting season, 'roids are all the rage. Congressmen are talking about them. Ballplayers are talking about them. Except for Mark McGwire and the person in charge of Rafael Palmeiro's B-12 shot, everybody is talking about them. In baseball, steroids have become the fashionable outrage.”


Mr. Shelton summed it up well when he stated:

“Amphetamines are a bigger problem than steroids. They are a greater danger. And, yes, the ban against them is going to have more of an affect.” How common is the use of amphetamines in pro baseball? According to Shelton:

“All you can say about amphetamine [in professional baseball] use is that it is as common as a fungo bat and, pretty much, is accepted as easily. Two years ago, Gwynn suggested that as many as 50 percent of position players used amphetamines to get ready for games. Chad Curtis, the former Yankees outfielder, says the number is 85 percent. Caminiti said there were only one or two players per team who didn't take them…"

What about other sports who have faced this problem? He states:

“The NFL tests for amphetamines, as do the NBA and the NHL and the Olympics. Baseball never has. In baseball, it often has been a bigger disgrace for a player not to take amphetamines than to take them, and sometimes, it seems the key statistic might not be a batting average but a dosage. Turns out, this might be real Green Monster in the game.”


So what we have here is a rampant use of a much more dangerous drug than steroids that has apparently been ignored by the powers that be and the public in general. So what do I think of drug use in sports in general? I take a fairly Libertarian view of such things. Unless we as a society are willing and able to change our paradigm, drug use will remain an issue. If we continue to view athletes as defacto heroes and pay them tens of millions of dollar salaries, then they will continue to look for ways to get an edge over their teammates to get the big contracts. The problem is only going to get worse. Once gene manipulation, gene doping, and other tricks that are right around the corner arrive, there wont be any way to catch them, test them, or stop them. I don’t know what the answer is (drug tested and non drug tested leagues?) but I do know the current policies for dealing with drugs in pro sports have not worked and never will.

Will Brink @ WWW.BRINKZONE.COM

Triple Threat

RSS Feed Robot is getting to be quite the post whore, no?

Dale Mabry

Which one do you think more people will go to? Actually, let me rephrase the question, WNBA or NBA?

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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min0 lee

The Robot has a higher ranking than you, so you've been pawned.

min0 lee

No, they are Domenicans

min0 lee

I always sensed he used them......

Can we now say that he had roid rage when he threw Piazza's broken bat at him?

min0 lee

The names are popping up now, Pettite, Ben Santiago and Mo Vuagn????

IainDaniel

I hate MLB even more now.... selling out there stars when only a few years ago they were too pussy to act then cause of the ratings they were getting following the slide from the strike.

Fuck bud selig and the league, I am done with MLB.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan

Triple Threat

So does this mean that Clemens retires for good?

dg806

I bet it's a good bet. I'd hate to see it, and I could care less who takes what steriod. Mitchell is a dumbass. Why bother with it...it will only drive it deeper into secrecy.

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I Are Baboon

Buster Olney and Sean Salisbury were on Mike and Mike this morning and they say the Yankee titles of the 90's are all tainted now.

What a couple of sperm dumps.

IainDaniel

All yankee championships are tainted.

Ass Tainted.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan