2008 New York Yankees

min0 lee · 09-15-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

A-Rod comes through, grand slam!

Was it when it mattered?

min0 lee · 09-15-2008, 05:43 AM

Pavano expects to make next start

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Righty left Sunday's game against Rays with left hip injury.

This sucks, this will definitely hurt our chances for the playoffs.

Pavano needs to be euthanized.

soxmuscle · 09-15-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Was it when it mattered?

Tie ball game.

Of course it mattered.

min0 lee · 09-15-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Tie ball game.

Of course it mattered.

Wasn't it in the first inning?
Not that it makes a difference, a slam is a slam and I applaud him for it.

Just wish he did this when it mattered.

min0 lee · 09-15-2008, 09:45 AM

Just checked it, it was tied....zero to zero in the first inning. Then he hit the grand slam to break the tie.

min0 lee · 09-15-2008, 09:48 AM

Derek Jeter makes history at Yankee Stadium, more to come

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BY ANTHONY MCCARRON
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, September 14th 2008, 10:23 PM

Cataffo/News
Derek Jeter
Derek Jeter said he'd never heard cheers during an at-bat in which he hit into a double play, so maybe that says something about the record Jeter tied during Sunday's victory over the Rays. Heck, even Jeter, who doesn't get overly jazzed about milestones, seemed touched.
Jeter had three more hits - he was 9-for-11 in the series - and matched Lou Gehrig's mark for career hits at Yankee Stadium with 1,269. Before he came to the plate in the seventh with a chance to break the record, fans showered him with encouragement as he warmed up in the on-deck circle. When he went to hit, everyone in the crowd of 54,279 stood and hollered, and they kept it up even though he bounced into a 5-4-3 twin kill.

He is loved here, I love him too.

min0 lee · 09-16-2008, 08:40 AM

Posada: More injury risk for Joba in rotation than in bullpen
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Jorge Posada reignited the debate over Joba Chamberlain's future Monday, recommending the young pitcher be kept in the bullpen and predicting more injuries if the New York Yankees put him back in their starting rotation.
"I think if you start him and he pitches 200 innings in one year, you're going to lose him. He's going to get hurt. I don't see him as a starter," Posada said Monday during a session of "CenterStage," scheduled to air on the team's YES Network starting Sept. 28.
Chamberlain, the hard-throwing righty who turns 23 next week, began the season in the Yankees bullpen, then moved to the rotation in June. The plan was to limit his innings early, then make him a full-time starter.
"He's been around the game and that's his opinion. I'm not going to fault the guy for having an opinion. We all have opinions," Chamberlain said. "We have to sit down. It's going to be what's best for the team in the long run. It's your career and you have to be a part of it. You do what's best for yourself, also, but the end goal is to win a championship. Whether that's in the bullpen or as a starter, time will tell."
He was sidelined from Aug. 4 to Sept. 2 because of rotator cuff tendinitis and went back to the bullpen when he returned.
"A little tendinitis, it just tells you a lot," Posada said after the TV interview. "I think his body is made up for a reliever."
Chamberlain was 3-1 with a 2.76 ERA in 12 starts, striking out 74 in 65 1/3 innings. He's 1-2 with a 2.29 ERA in 24 relief appearances, fanning 34 in 28 2/3 innings.
New York hasn't decided its future plans for Chamberlain.
"We'll discuss whether Chamberlain will be a starter or a reliever, along with everything else, during the winter," co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner said.
Manager Joe Girardi didn't mind Posada voicing his opinion, saying "some players feel more freely to discuss them openly than others." He also said the decision could depend on offseason developments.
"For right now, we still envision him as a starter. We just didn't have a chance to build him up," Girardi said.
He did reject the notion that starting makes Chamberlain more susceptible to injury.
"You can't put your head inside a guy's arm," he said. "People will argue it's better to start every five days from a physical standpoint, where you get four days' rest. Other people say it's better to throw in the bullpen, but what if you have to throw three days in a row? I mean, I think it just depends on the individual."
Chamberlain would like the debate to end at some point.
"At the beginning of the year, we're just going to have to say, this is it," he said. "Then I never want to answer another question about it again."
Posada had season-ending shoulder surgery June 30 and expects to return behind the plate for New York next season, anticipating he can catch 120-130 games.
With the Yankees almost certain to miss the playoffs for the first time since 1993, the 37-year-old says the team must go into the free-agent market to repair its starting rotation. CC Sabathia, Ben Sheets and A.J. Burnett are their chief targets.
"We're pretty much going to be in it, but you don't know if those guys are going to want to come here," Posada said. "I hope they do."
New York figures to have tens of millions of dollars available: Jason Giambi ($21 million), Andy Pettitte ($16 million), Bobby Abreu ($16 million), Mike Mussina ($11 million) and Carl Pavano ($11 million) are all potentially eligible for free agency.
"We're going to do whatever we can to improve, whether it's free agency or trades," Steinbrenner said.
On another topic, Posada voiced anger toward Pedro Martinez for the 2003 brawl between the Yankees and the Red Sox during the AL Championship Series.
"I thought he was going to hit me in the head with a bat, after we had the fight and he pushed Don Zimmer. It was ridiculous. I mean, he throws at Karim Garcia because he's losing the game. I mean, there's no class," Posada said.
It might have been an uncomfortable situation had Posada signed with the New York Mets after the 2007 season. He would have had to catch Martinez.
"You try to forget about the past and look forward," Posada said.
Told of Posada's comments after the Mets' 7-2 loss at the Nationals on Monday night, Martinez said he wouldn't throw at a batter on purpose because he was angry about losing.
Martinez also said Posada insulted Martinez's mother during that game.
"He cursed my mom, which is something I would never do to his mom, because she doesn't play," Martinez said. "She's not in the field. She's someone that you admire and respect. And I didn't like that."
Martinez pointed at his own head during the confrontation.
"It wasn't precisely to tell him that I wanted to hit him in the head," Martinez. "No, he's a human being, and he has a family, and I'm a professional. What I meant from his head was because he cursed my mom. I'll remember that. Because he knows he's Latin. As much as he pretends to be American, he's Latin, both sides, and he knows that cursing your mom in Latin America will get you into a fight. But, it wasn't to try to tell him.
"I actually had done it the inning before to Varitek. I would go like this," Martinez said, pointing to his head, "when there was a sequence or something. I go like this. If you go like this, it's not hit you in the head. It's think about it. That's what I meant to say: I'll remember what you just did."

soxmuscle · 09-16-2008, 04:03 PM

As somebody who's fascinated by sabermetrics, I find this startling.

A-Rod's Win Probability Added for the last two seasons:
2007: 6.85
2008: 0.40

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Here's the basic idea. An average team, at any point in a game, has a certain likelihood of winning the game. For instance, if you're leading by two runs in the ninth inning, your chances of winning the game are much greater than if you're leading by three runs in the first inning. With each change in the score, inning, number of outs, base situation or even pitch, there is a change in the average team's probability of winning the game.

Christopher Shea has invented a "Win Expectancy Finder" to look up the actual Win Probability of every base/out, inning and score combination of all Major League games from 1979 to 1990. Chris used Retrosheet data that had been compiled by Phil Birnbaum, and his WE Finder simply looks up the percent of times a team in a given situation went on to win the game during those years. Next time you watch a ballgame, use it to track the ups and downs of the game. It will change the way you watch baseball.

Here's an example: Bottom of the ninth, score tied, runner on first, no one out. The home team has a 71% chance of winning according to the Win Expectancy Finder (in this situation, the home team won 1,878 of 2,631 games between 1979 and 1990). Let's say the batter bunts the runner to second. Good idea, right? Well, after a successful bunt, with a runner on second and one out, the Win Probability actually decreases slightly to 70% (home team won 1300 of 1,848 games), according to the WE Finder. The bunter hasn't really helped or hurt his team; his bunt was a neutral event.

If you're managing a team, or even following the game, you might want to know this sort of thing. Of course, the application of actual strategy (should he bunt or not?) depends on a lot of other factors, such as the skills of the batter, the pitcher and the baserunner, the following batters in the order, the game conditions and probably a number of other things. But Win Probability sets the baseline for evaluating each event on the field.

To really have fun with this system, you can take it one step further and track something Drinen calls "Win Probability Added" (WPA).

Once again, the concept is simple. Let's say our batter in the bottom of the ninth hits a single to put runners on first and third with no outs. This increases the Win Probability from 71% to 87%, for a gain of 16%. So, in a WPA system you credit the batter +.16 and debit the pitcher/fielder -.16. If you add up every positive and negative event from the beginning to the end of a game, you wind up with a total for the winning team of .5, and a total for the losing team of -.5. And the player with the most points will have contributed the most to his team's win.

By the way, that 87% with runners on first and third in the bottom of the ninth is on the low side for reasons I'll discuss in a minute.

If you were to track an entire season in this manner, you would have a Win Contribution metric that is more accurate than Win Shares, because it is based on how much each event actually contributed to the team's wins. In a way, WPA is the ultimate baseball statistic. And in a way, it is not.

Like Win Shares, WPA is not a good predictive statistic because it's not necessarily a good representation of a player's true talent. If a player hits a home run in the ninth inning of a 1-0 game, he is credited with more WPA points than if he hits a home run in the first inning of a 1-0 game. The talent is the ability to hit the home run; when it happens in a game is something that is pretty random. When you are thinking of acquiring a player for your fantasy team, you should rely more on the traditional sabermetric stats, like Linear Weights, Runs Created, DIPS, etc. etc.

Also, WPA measures the impact of an event while the game is in progress, not after the game is over. After the game is over, the score is 1-0, and it doesn't matter when the batter hit the home run. But during the game, it matters a lot. Good managerial strategies, for instance, are based on an implicit understanding of Win Probabilities. And if there is such a thing as clutch performance, WPA might unearth it.

The One About Win Probability -- The Hardball Times

Going against everything I've been saying, this one statistic basically rates A-Rod at the bottom portion of the league in terms of how well he performs in late/"clutch" situations.

I also included his WPA from 2007 which was one of the highest in all of baseball last season.

What does this all mean?

It means A-Rod, despite leading the American League in slugging percentage and being tied for fourth in on-base percentage has been a considerably worse player in late game situations than he has been in early/"non-clutch" situations.

It also means, that even though he underperformed in the playoffs last year, A-Rod was one of the most effective players in the game in late/"clutch" situations in the regular season last year.

In 2006, he had a WPA rating similar to this season and in 2005, his numbers in late/"clutch" situations shot right back up reminiscent of last season.

I'm not a huge fan of this metric or of the word "clutch" because if somebody is having the kind of season that Alex Rodriguez is having, he's without question helping his team win ball games. Still, to have the MVP caliber season that he's having and to have a WPA so low is telling of just how bad he's performed in high leverage situations this season.

Given these numbers, can you say that A-Rod is an "unclutch" player? Absolutely not, because in high leverage situations last year he was tops in the league.

I'm rambling now, but basically put:

You can't say A-Rod is an unclutch player because he's been as clutch as they come every other year. You also can't say he's a clutch player because he's been as unclutch as they come every other year.

soxmuscle · 09-16-2008, 04:08 PM

Also,

the Yankees demise last season had little to do with Alex Rodriguez. The entire team struggled and as much as Yankee fans want to deny this, Derek Jeter was the worst player on that team last year in the playoffs.

IMO, the A-Rod hate stems from the fact that Jeter is such a respected Yankee. Given that A-Rod is twice the ball player that Jeter ever was, given that they played the same position and Rodriguez was better both offensively and defensively when originally coming over, etc. it makes sense that the New York media would (once again) paint Rodriguez as such a villain.

It happened with Maris/Mantle, and the Jeter/Rodriguez situation isn't very different.

soxmuscle · 09-16-2008, 04:25 PM

Final thing before my class begins.

Looking at Derek Jeter' baseball reference page, the top players that compare to him in terms of numbers are Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Ray Durham, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Derek Jeter, but if he hadn't been drafted by the Yankees, had Jeremy Giambi slid into homeplate in the ALDS years ago, etc. there is not one single chance we're talking about a nine time all-star here.

More than likely he'd be a very dynamic ball player who was tossed from team to team every 4-5 years, never won a World Series and made about half of the $140 million dollars he's made over the course of his career.

min0 lee · 09-16-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

As somebody who's fascinated by sabermetrics, I find this startling.

A-Rod's Win Probability Added for the last two seasons:
2007: 6.85
2008: 0.40

The One About Win Probability -- The Hardball Times

Going against everything I've been saying, this one statistic basically rates A-Rod at the bottom portion of the league in terms of how well he performs in late/"clutch" situations.

I also included his WPA from 2007 which was one of the highest in all of baseball last season.

What does this all mean?

It means A-Rod, despite leading the American League in slugging percentage and being tied for fourth in on-base percentage has been a considerably worse player in late game situations than he has been in early/"non-clutch" situations.

It also means, that even though he underperformed in the playoffs last year, A-Rod was one of the most effective players in the game in late/"clutch" situations in the regular season last year.

In 2006, he had a WPA rating similar to this season and in 2005, his numbers in late/"clutch" situations shot right back up reminiscent of last season.

I'm not a huge fan of this metric or of the word "clutch" because if somebody is having the kind of season that Alex Rodriguez is having, he's without question helping his team win ball games. Still, to have the MVP caliber season that he's having and to have a WPA so low is telling of just how bad he's performed in high leverage situations this season.

Given these numbers, can you say that A-Rod is an "unclutch" player? Absolutely not, because in high leverage situations last year he was tops in the league.

I'm rambling now, but basically put:

You can't say A-Rod is an unclutch player because he's been as clutch as they come every other year. You also can't say he's a clutch player because he's been as unclutch as they come every other year.

I just woke up to this..my eyes!

Can you explain the curve ball next?

min0 lee · 09-16-2008, 05:11 PM

I still prefer Jeter when it matters the most.
You can turn blue and come out with all the stats in the world but when you watch them day in day out, see and hear them you'll learn too appreciate him.
Stats wise A-Rod is a monster compared to Jeter.....

**I Are Baboon** · 09-16-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

As somebody who's fascinated by sabermetrics, I find this startling.

A-Rod's Win Probability Added for the last two seasons:
2007: 6.85
2008: 0.40

The One About Win Probability -- The Hardball Times

Going against everything I've been saying, this one statistic basically rates A-Rod at the bottom portion of the league in terms of how well he performs in late/"clutch" situations.

I also included his WPA from 2007 which was one of the highest in all of baseball last season.

What does this all mean?

It means A-Rod, despite leading the American League in slugging percentage and being tied for fourth in on-base percentage has been a considerably worse player in late game situations than he has been in early/"non-clutch" situations.

It also means, that even though he underperformed in the playoffs last year, A-Rod was one of the most effective players in the game in late/"clutch" situations in the regular season last year.

In 2006, he had a WPA rating similar to this season and in 2005, his numbers in late/"clutch" situations shot right back up reminiscent of last season.

I'm not a huge fan of this metric or of the word "clutch" because if somebody is having the kind of season that Alex Rodriguez is having, he's without question helping his team win ball games. Still, to have the MVP caliber season that he's having and to have a WPA so low is telling of just how bad he's performed in high leverage situations this season.

Given these numbers, can you say that A-Rod is an "unclutch" player? Absolutely not, because in high leverage situations last year he was tops in the league.

I'm rambling now, but basically put:

You can't say A-Rod is an unclutch player because he's been as clutch as they come every other year. You also can't say he's a clutch player because he's been as unclutch as they come every other year.

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Also,

the Yankees demise last season had little to do with Alex Rodriguez. The entire team struggled and as much as Yankee fans want to deny this, Derek Jeter was the worst player on that team last year in the playoffs.

IMO, the A-Rod hate stems from the fact that Jeter is such a respected Yankee. Given that A-Rod is twice the ball player that Jeter ever was, given that they played the same position and Rodriguez was better both offensively and defensively when originally coming over, etc. it makes sense that the New York media would (once again) paint Rodriguez as such a villain.

It happened with Maris/Mantle, and the Jeter/Rodriguez situation isn't very different.

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Final thing before my class begins.

Looking at Derek Jeter' baseball reference page, the top players that compare to him in terms of numbers are Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Ray Durham, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Derek Jeter, but if he hadn't been drafted by the Yankees, had Jeremy Giambi slid into homeplate in the ALDS years ago, etc. there is not one single chance we're talking about a nine time all-star here.

More than likely he'd be a very dynamic ball player who was tossed from team to team every 4-5 years, never won a World Series and made about half of the $140 million dollars he's made over the course of his career.

I need a beer.

min0 lee · 09-16-2008, 05:25 PM

A-Rod is a great player and we are very lucky to have him, some fans don't deserve him at all.
I was suprised to see him return after all the crap the media and then the fans put him through.
But when people critize a player like Jeter who is well respected around the league, fans and the media.
Who is one of the classiest players around who has proved himself in the playoffs.....I can't just talk bad about him.

Sure he's let me down , but what player hasn't.

Jeter status as the Captain of the NY Yankees is well deserved.

I'm going back to sleep, my other half will take over.

min0 lee · 09-16-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I need a beer.

soxmuscle · 09-18-2008, 01:36 PM

No baseball obsessed people?

Damn.

min0 lee · 09-18-2008, 04:22 PM

I was driving this mourning and heard Mike & Mike make fun of Mr. Clutch, it's not just a NY thing.

Have you seen a Yankee game besides the Yank-Bosox games?

min0 lee · 09-18-2008, 05:08 PM

A-Rod reaches a milestone of his own

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A-Rod's eighth-inning home run was his 35th of the season, giving him 11 straight seasons of 35 or more homers and 12 in his career (1996, 1998-2008), tying Babe Ruth for the most such seasons all-time and passing Hank Aaron and Mike Schmidt. He called the accomplishment "very humbling."

min0 lee · 09-18-2008, 05:09 PM

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Jeter played in his 1,000th game at Yankee Stadium on Wednesday, joining only four other Yankees. With only four games remaining, Jeter will finish behind Mickey Mantle (1,213), Lou Gehrig (1,080), Yogi Berra (1,068) and Bernie Williams (1,039) for career games played at Yankee Stadium. ... Jeter is bidding farewell to the ballpark in style, hitting .444 (32-for-72) over his past 18 games at Yankee Stadium since Aug. 1, with 11 multihit games. ... Phil Coke has not allowed a run in his first seven Major League appearances (10 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 6 SO). ... The Yankees will welcome 102-year-old Emilio "Millito" Navarro to Yankee Stadium on Thursday, the first Puerto Rican to play in the Negro Leagues and the oldest living professional baseball player. Navarro was selected by the Yankees in MLB's 2008 Special Negro League Draft on June 5.

min0 lee · 09-23-2008, 06:16 AM

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NEW YORK --

09-15-2008, 09:45 AM	#395
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Just checked it, it was tied....zero to zero in the first inning. Then he hit the grand slam to break the tie.
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09-16-2008, 08:40 AM	#397
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Posada: More injury risk for Joba in rotation than in bullpen Associated Press NEW YORK -- Jorge Posada reignited the debate over Joba Chamberlain's future Monday, recommending the young pitcher be kept in the bullpen and predicting more injuries if the New York Yankees put him back in their starting rotation. "I think if you start him and he pitches 200 innings in one year, you're going to lose him. He's going to get hurt. I don't see him as a starter," Posada said Monday during a session of "CenterStage," scheduled to air on the team's YES Network starting Sept. 28. Chamberlain, the hard-throwing righty who turns 23 next week, began the season in the Yankees bullpen, then moved to the rotation in June. The plan was to limit his innings early, then make him a full-time starter. "He's been around the game and that's his opinion. I'm not going to fault the guy for having an opinion. We all have opinions," Chamberlain said. "We have to sit down. It's going to be what's best for the team in the long run. It's your career and you have to be a part of it. You do what's best for yourself, also, but the end goal is to win a championship. Whether that's in the bullpen or as a starter, time will tell." He was sidelined from Aug. 4 to Sept. 2 because of rotator cuff tendinitis and went back to the bullpen when he returned. "A little tendinitis, it just tells you a lot," Posada said after the TV interview. "I think his body is made up for a reliever." Chamberlain was 3-1 with a 2.76 ERA in 12 starts, striking out 74 in 65 1/3 innings. He's 1-2 with a 2.29 ERA in 24 relief appearances, fanning 34 in 28 2/3 innings. New York hasn't decided its future plans for Chamberlain. "We'll discuss whether Chamberlain will be a starter or a reliever, along with everything else, during the winter," co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner said. Manager Joe Girardi didn't mind Posada voicing his opinion, saying "some players feel more freely to discuss them openly than others." He also said the decision could depend on offseason developments. "For right now, we still envision him as a starter. We just didn't have a chance to build him up," Girardi said. He did reject the notion that starting makes Chamberlain more susceptible to injury. "You can't put your head inside a guy's arm," he said. "People will argue it's better to start every five days from a physical standpoint, where you get four days' rest. Other people say it's better to throw in the bullpen, but what if you have to throw three days in a row? I mean, I think it just depends on the individual." Chamberlain would like the debate to end at some point. "At the beginning of the year, we're just going to have to say, this is it," he said. "Then I never want to answer another question about it again." Posada had season-ending shoulder surgery June 30 and expects to return behind the plate for New York next season, anticipating he can catch 120-130 games. With the Yankees almost certain to miss the playoffs for the first time since 1993, the 37-year-old says the team must go into the free-agent market to repair its starting rotation. CC Sabathia, Ben Sheets and A.J. Burnett are their chief targets. "We're pretty much going to be in it, but you don't know if those guys are going to want to come here," Posada said. "I hope they do." New York figures to have tens of millions of dollars available: Jason Giambi ($21 million), Andy Pettitte ($16 million), Bobby Abreu ($16 million), Mike Mussina ($11 million) and Carl Pavano ($11 million) are all potentially eligible for free agency. "We're going to do whatever we can to improve, whether it's free agency or trades," Steinbrenner said. On another topic, Posada voiced anger toward Pedro Martinez for the 2003 brawl between the Yankees and the Red Sox during the AL Championship Series. "I thought he was going to hit me in the head with a bat, after we had the fight and he pushed Don Zimmer. It was ridiculous. I mean, he throws at Karim Garcia because he's losing the game. I mean, there's no class," Posada said. It might have been an uncomfortable situation had Posada signed with the New York Mets after the 2007 season. He would have had to catch Martinez. "You try to forget about the past and look forward," Posada said. Told of Posada's comments after the Mets' 7-2 loss at the Nationals on Monday night, Martinez said he wouldn't throw at a batter on purpose because he was angry about losing. Martinez also said Posada insulted Martinez's mother during that game. "He cursed my mom, which is something I would never do to his mom, because she doesn't play," Martinez said. "She's not in the field. She's someone that you admire and respect. And I didn't like that." Martinez pointed at his own head during the confrontation. "It wasn't precisely to tell him that I wanted to hit him in the head," Martinez. "No, he's a human being, and he has a family, and I'm a professional. What I meant from his head was because he cursed my mom. I'll remember that. Because he knows he's Latin. As much as he pretends to be American, he's Latin, both sides, and he knows that cursing your mom in Latin America will get you into a fight. But, it wasn't to try to tell him. "I actually had done it the inning before to Varitek. I would go like this," Martinez said, pointing to his head, "when there was a sequence or something. I go like this. If you go like this, it's not hit you in the head. It's think about it. That's what I meant to say: I'll remember what you just did."
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09-16-2008, 04:08 PM	#399
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,584 Photos: 10	Also, the Yankees demise last season had little to do with Alex Rodriguez. The entire team struggled and as much as Yankee fans want to deny this, Derek Jeter was the worst player on that team last year in the playoffs. IMO, the A-Rod hate stems from the fact that Jeter is such a respected Yankee. Given that A-Rod is twice the ball player that Jeter ever was, given that they played the same position and Rodriguez was better both offensively and defensively when originally coming over, etc. it makes sense that the New York media would (once again) paint Rodriguez as such a villain. It happened with Maris/Mantle, and the Jeter/Rodriguez situation isn't very different.
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09-16-2008, 04:25 PM	#400
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,584 Photos: 10	Final thing before my class begins. Looking at Derek Jeter' baseball reference page, the top players that compare to him in terms of numbers are Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Ray Durham, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar. I'm not trying to take anything away from Derek Jeter, but if he hadn't been drafted by the Yankees, had Jeremy Giambi slid into homeplate in the ALDS years ago, etc. there is not one single chance we're talking about a nine time all-star here. More than likely he'd be a very dynamic ball player who was tossed from team to team every 4-5 years, never won a World Series and made about half of the $140 million dollars he's made over the course of his career.
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09-16-2008, 05:11 PM	#402
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I still prefer Jeter when it matters the most. You can turn blue and come out with all the stats in the world but when you watch them day in day out, see and hear them you'll learn too appreciate him. Stats wise A-Rod is a monster compared to Jeter.....
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09-16-2008, 05:25 PM	#404
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	A-Rod is a great player and we are very lucky to have him, some fans don't deserve him at all. I was suprised to see him return after all the crap the media and then the fans put him through. But when people critize a player like Jeter who is well respected around the league, fans and the media. Who is one of the classiest players around who has proved himself in the playoffs.....I can't just talk bad about him. Sure he's let me down , but what player hasn't. Jeter status as the Captain of the NY Yankees is well deserved. I'm going back to sleep, my other half will take over.
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09-18-2008, 01:36 PM	#406
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,584 Photos: 10	No baseball obsessed people? Damn.
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09-18-2008, 04:22 PM	#407
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I was driving this mourning and heard Mike & Mike make fun of Mr. Clutch, it's not just a NY thing. Have you seen a Yankee game besides the Yank-Bosox games?
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09-23-2008, 06:16 AM	#410
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,818 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	Stadium farewell rekindles memories of times gone by By Wright Thompson ESPN.com NEW YORK --