Pregnancy fitness forum

katie64 · 01-11-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
here you go, I found a message board dedicated to pregnant woman: www.pregnancylounge.com

Good way to get out of it, I guess

j/k

BTW, it looks like a very informative board

Still could of given one of our favorite girls her own forum (thread)

BabsieGirl · 01-12-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
I would like to have a general health type forum, but do not have anyone qualified to moderate/lead it.

Let me know if you need help

butterfly · 01-12-2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
here you go, I found a message board dedicated to pregnant woman: www.pregnancylounge.com

I already knew about that one, but thanks... did you check out the fitness section??? It's crap.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-12-2004, 04:34 PM

Why not make it read only here and have someone moderate it who puts the research on and simplifies it for those who's head it may be over.

butterfly · 01-12-2004, 06:47 PM

Then where would we post questions???

Nevermind... it's obvious that Prince is simply not interested. I'll take my request elsewhere.

**Robert** · 01-12-2004, 08:39 PM

it's kind of like having the health forum I mentioned, without some truley qualified (like bandaidwoman) I do not see how it's worth having, not to mention the potential liablilty.

bandaidwoman · 01-13-2004, 04:51 AM

I have to back prince up on this. The liability issue is no laughing matter when it comes to pregnancy. It is the one field of medicine where the statute of limitations extend beyond the two year limit (ie: if you die due to a surgery from an orthopedist or are injured during surgery, medical negligence etc. you have two years to file a suit and that's it) In pregnancy, regarding any advice, treatment, delivery, medicines administered etc. done during a woman's pregnancy, you are liable up to two years past the age of "childhhod" ie: twenty years of age! Obstetricians are being sued 18 years after delivering a child if the child develops a learning disabilty and the parents blame the ob for botched delivery etc. And it's not just OBs, pharamcists are being sued 20 years after giving advice on what over the counter meds to use during pregnancy and the woman felt they caused her child's problems, nutritionists, nurses, midwives etc. etc. Prince could be liable for up to twenty years if anything on the pregancy forum should be viewed culpable by someone as an indirect or direct cause in any complications surrounding a woman's pregnancy and the child's development after birth. You can see why many doctors are leaving the practice of obstetrics and concentrating on gynecology.

BabsieGirl · 01-13-2004, 07:11 AM

As with any health site, it's clearly understood that ANY advice given is not medical advice and as always the person should seek medical attention from their doctor period.

Question: How could Prince be liable? If that were the case, many of the sites I reference would be liable for providing the "possibilities" of such diagnosis, etc......However as with any site, there is always a note which states......."Any or all information should not be taken as medical advice rather, strickly informational!" Which, is what Butterfly and many of the ladies here are asking for..........it's about asking the ones who have gone through preg., what they've experienced, have they competed prior to and after.......what were their diets like ....etc...etc...etc......

There are people on this board asking all sorts of health questions........They're given suggestions, advice, etc...etc...and I don't see those threads being cancelled because of liability issues....Why is that? It's the same thing.

bandaidwoman · 01-13-2004, 07:21 AM

All bets are off when it comes to pregnancy. There are cases pending in in court sueing nutritionist's advice over the internet, malpractice lawyers have already warned that anything over internet, despite such " warnings" may not protect people. Trust me, I deal with malpractice attornies all the time, many are good friends. If a patient signs a waiver, many times that still doesn't protect someone from a lawsuit. This comes from friends who are attornies. They state Internet law is still very new, and loopholes are being found everyday. Who ever dreamed that McDonald's could be sued 20 years ago! Even though no suit was awarded, they still had to spend tons of money throwing it out. The jury system is very biased towards a woman and a pregnant child. There is no ryme or reason. Rationlality does not rule. This is one of the reasons why alot of docs are wary of internet medicine, and even providing emailing advice etc vs. phone advice. The insurance companies have told docs they are on their own when it comes to the internet.

**Robert** · 01-13-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
As with any health site, it's clearly understood that ANY advice given is not medical advice and as always the person should seek medical attention from their doctor period.

Question: How could Prince be liable? If that were the case, many of the sites I reference would be liable for providing the "possibilities" of such diagnosis, etc......However as with any site, there is always a note which states......."Any or all information should not be taken as medical advice rather, strickly informational!" Which, is what Butterfly and many of the ladies here are asking for..........it's about asking the ones who have gone through preg., what they've experienced, have they competed prior to and after.......what were their diets like ....etc...etc...etc......

There are people on this board asking all sorts of health questions........They're given suggestions, advice, etc...etc...and I don't see those threads being cancelled because of liability issues....Why is that? It's the same thing.

what if a pregnant female came here and asked a fitness question and we advised her on it, and she had a miscarriage? This is quite different than some asking if their diet looks okay, or if they're work-out routine needs any adjustments.

the same reason I would never build a diet for someone and tell them to follow it, what if I did and they were diabetic and they died?

yes there is a disclaimer here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/disclaimer.php but as badaidwoman said certain liablilties would still be incurred despite a disclaimer.

BabsieGirl · 01-13-2004, 10:14 AM

Maybe I'm just old fashion......I think if a person asks for advice.....the advice that is given should be taken at their own discretion/risk............

If that's the case, we shouldn't be aloud to give advice period....because you're the Forum President...what ever we say could leave you liable regardless. You are the master moderator.

You said:

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what if a pregnant female came here and asked a fitness question and we advised her on it, and she had a miscarriage?

Fitness is fitness......pregnant or not...Man or woman.....advice is given and taken upon your own risk.

What if a man (who has deteriorating bones) came here as asked a fitness question...advice was given to him...he ended up breaking a bone? Wouldn't IM be liable then?

I know the law...but some of this is horse pooh...not pooh on you but pooh on what other people do just to make a buck in this world......Everyone is too sue happy and it's pissing me off!

I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you...i'm just razed up by people idiocies is all.......

**Robert** · 01-13-2004, 10:19 AM

I think the context is different though.

If someone asks what are some good supplements, we give our opinion, we do not say go get X supplement and take X mg's 3 times per day.

I might say I take X supplement X mg's and X times per day and that works for me, or many people have reported that X amount gave them good results, or the manufacturer recommends, etc.

If someone asks (and they do) my shoulder hurts when I move it, my typical answer is rest, ice, anti-inflamatory and see a specialist, that is about all I will advise.

**Robert** · 01-13-2004, 10:22 AM

also, when someone registers on this board they agree to this:

All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of IronMagazine BodyBuilding Forums or Jelsoft Enterprises Limited (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

BabsieGirl · 01-13-2004, 10:24 AM

I agree.......

If I were to give advice about pregnancy........or any other.....I would reply the same way as you have from above.

I'm sure we all have our debates though when it boils down to...."But how much should I take?"....

I see where you're coming from...What I do disagree with is people sueing "just because."

Stacey · 01-20-2004, 01:47 PM

I think a pregnancy forum would be great to have on this board. I workout/ and eat clean year round--and it's apart of my life--
I will be getting pregnant sometime this year...and wish I could have something on THIS board to have reference to--and get other people's advice. Sure, there are a ton of pregnancy forums...but most of them are not talking about lifting weights, running, etc.. while pregnant.

Great Idea Butterfly--even if Prince doesn't do it--thanks for trying for us!!

**Dale Mabry** · 01-26-2004, 10:54 AM

Just a couple points to back up Prince's statement on liability. On the pregnancy side, I have been working as a clinical researcher in maternal fetal medicine for just over 3 years and trust me, you do not want to be liable for anything that arises. When I was a PT part-time, I would still not give training advice to pregnant women even though I thought I was more than qualified to do so. As bandaid woman pointed out, people are sue happy these days and if they can find a reason to sue you, they will. Number 2, if an otherwise healthy male performs something you tell him to and hurts himself, there was an inherent risk in performing the activity and he chose to do so. A pregnant woman would be a special case and if the person who told her to do something is not qualified to do so, they can be held liable.