Pre Workout Supps

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoosterTX

I didn't see any pro-hormones on your list...what gives?

cough....

**nni** · 08-06-2009, 04:50 PM

quit the bickering fellas.

**Built** · 08-06-2009, 05:38 PM

For ease of comparison...

...note that many of these products list proprietary blends, so you don't know how much of each component is in your dose.

Information on the individual ingredients: Dietary Supplements Labels Database

VPX NO Shotgun
Creatine
Arginine
Glutamine
Beta-Alanine
Branch Chain Amino Acids

Gaspari Superpump 250
Glucose Polymer Blend
Creatine Monohydrate
L-Arginine
L-Arginine alpha - Ketoglutarate (A-AKG)
L-Arginine Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC)],
Guanipro (Guanidino Propionic Acid)
Salycylic Acid 15%
American Ginseng Extract
L-Tyrosine
Methylxanthines (Caffeine)
NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)
N-Acetyl-Tyrosine
Glucuronolactone
Rhodiola rosea Root Extract (Standardized to 5% total Rosavins)
Ginko bILOBA Extract (standardized to 24% Ginkosides & 6% Terpenes)
Vinpocetine
Huperzine
Taurine
L-Leucine
L-Glutamine
L-Valline
L-Isoleucine
L-Citruline AKG,
Turkesterone (11,20 dihydroxyecdysone from Ajuga turkestanica Extract)
Choline Bitartrate
Trimethylglycine
Indole-3-Carbinol
4-Hydroxyisoleucine (from Fenugreek Seed Extract)
Cinnamon Bank Extract (15% cinnamic aldehyde)
Bacopa Monniera (standardized for 20% bacosides A&B)
Sodium Bicarbonate
Potassium Bicarbonate
Potassium Gycerophosphate
Magnesium Glycerophosphate
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Bioperine

MT Nano Vapor
Maltodextrin
Creatine Monohydrate
Taurine
Creatine Anhydrous
Creatine Malate
Creatine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
Tri-Creatine HCA
Creatine L-Pyroglutamate
Glycocyamine
Cinnamon Extract (As Cinnamomum Cassia Blume)(Bark)(Standardized To 40% Polyphenols)
Taurine Ethyl Ester HCL
Taurine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
18 Beta Glycyrrhetinic Acid
Coriolus Versicolor Powder (Plant)
D-Glucose Monosaccharide
L-Arginine
L-Aspartic Acid
Di-Sodium Phosphate
Di-Potassium Phosphate
Di-Calcium Phosphate
Xanthinol Nicotinate
L-Arginine Ketoisocaproic Acid
L-Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL
Norvaline
L-Norvaline Ethyl Ester HCL
Asian Ginseng Extract (As Panax Ginseng)(Plant)(Standardized To 25% Ginsenosides)
L-Citrulline
Citrulline Malate
L-Citrulline Ethyl Ester
L-Histidine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
Gynostemma Pentaphyllum Extract (Root)(Standardized To 85% Gypenosides)
Acetyl L-Carnitine L-Arginine Dihydrochloride
Salvia Miltiorrhiza Bunge Powder (Cryptotanshione)
Artichoke Flavonoids (As Cynara Scolymus L.)(Root)
Crataegus Pinnauficia Bunge Extract (Berry)
L-Tyrosine
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine
Sulbutiamine
Vinpocetine
Alpha Glycerophosphocholine
Cis-9, 10-Octadecenoamide
Huperzine-A (As Huperzia Serrata)
Glycine
Beta Alanine
L-Leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL
L-Leucine Methyl Ester HCL
L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
L-Leucine Isovaleric Acid
Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL
L-Isoleucine Methyl Ester HCL
L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL
L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
Alpha Amino L-Butyrate
Caffeine Anhydrous (Standardized For 117 Mg Caffeine)
Yerba Mate Powder (As Llex Paraguariensis)(Leaf)
N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine HCL
Yohimbine HCL (Pausinystalia Yohimbe)(Bark)
Evodia Rutaecarpa Extract (As Tetradium Ruticarpum)(Fruit)(Standardized For 10% Evodiamine)
Black Tea Extract (As Camellia Sinensis)(Leaf)
(Standardized For 70% Polyphenols, 50% Catechins, 25% EGCG)
Theobroma Cacao Extract (Seed)
(Standardized For 6% Theobromine)
White Tea Extract (As Camellia Sinensis)(Leaf)(Standardized For 50% Polyphenols, 35% Catechins, 15% EGCG)
White Willow Extract (As Salix Alba)(Bark)(Standardized For 25% Salicin)
11-Hydroxy Yohimbine
MyoGF (Growth Complex)
Fenugreek Extract (As Trigonella Foenum-Gracum)(Seed)(Standardized To 20% 4-Hydroxyisoleucine)
Quercetin Dihydrate (Citrus Bioflavonoid)
Dihydroxy-Diosgenin (25R-5 Alpha-Spirostan-2-Alpha, 3 Beta)
Acetyl L-Cysteine Amide
N-Acetyl-5-Methoxytryptamine

ALRI WTF Pumped
Glycerol Monostearate,
Arginine AKG 2:1
Taurine
Betaine
Creatine Ethyl Ester
Tricreatine Malate,
Tamarindus Indica
Histidine AKG 2:1
Citrulline Malate Ethyl Ester
Cowpea
Caffeine
Schizandra
Ng-Hydroxy-L-Arginine Ethyl Ester
Corosolic Acid 14

AAEFX Cell Rush
Kre-Alkalyn Creatine
Beta Alanine

AAEFX Nytric Pro
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate

**Built** · 08-06-2009, 07:45 PM

Well,

I just knocked back:

5 grams of glycerine (bottle said for external use only, LOL)
1 gram arginine with 1 gram ornithine (leftover from an earlier experiment)
200mg caffeine
5mg dextroamphetamine

- and I'm sipping on a protein shake with 30g protein, 20g dextrose and 5g creatine monohydrate.

I'm either about to have a SPECTACULAR workout, or I'm about to die.

Friends, enemies... pray in the appropriate directions!

rahaas · 08-06-2009, 07:50 PM

Well let's hope it's not the latter of the two choices given. Who the hell would we worship then?

gopro · 08-06-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoosterTX

I didn't see any pro-hormones on your list...what gives?

Well, since I have not used one since 04 (for a whopping 4 weeks) I guess listing them would be silly. Do you want a copy of my last drug test?

Jealousy is a harsh thing to live with.

gopro · 08-06-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoosterTX

I didn't see any pro-hormones on your list...what gives?

OMG...that was so funny!!!!

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 10:58 PM

cough cough..scuse me...

gopro · 08-06-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

cough cough..scuse me...

You are excused. But, cover your mouth next time.

**Built** · 08-06-2009, 11:23 PM

Well, I had a great workout - got some nice pumps.

I'm going to double the glycerine and the arginine tomorrow. Should be fun!

gopro · 08-07-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Well, I had a great workout - got some nice pumps.

I'm going to double the glycerine and the arginine tomorrow. Should be fun!

Good stuff!

iggydiesel · 08-07-2009, 12:30 AM

In my opinion best pre-workout sups were blackpowder (made my nose bleed though) and Anavol Hardcore (you have to drink A LOT of tabs). NO-Xplode and cellmass combo didn't work as great, but that's just me.

**Built** · 08-07-2009, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopro

Good stuff!

Yeah, it was fun. I love home-brews - so much easier to titrate doses, something that as a woman I really appreciate since most BB supplements are designed and dosed with the male client in mind. For some things it doesn't matter, but sometimes it does - for instance if there's too much carbohydrate in a single serving, or even more stimulant than I want to take along with my own medications.

juggernaut · 08-07-2009, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Yeah, it was fun. I love home-brews - so much easier to titrate doses, something that as a woman I really appreciate since most BB supplements are designed and dosed with the male client in mind. For some things it doesn't matter, but sometimes it does - for instance if there's too much carbohydrate in a single serving, or even more stimulant than I want to take along with my own medications.

are there any particular brands that you like?

**nni** · 08-07-2009, 11:44 AM

if you are homebrewing and looking for a pump, you can do better than arginine.

gopro · 08-07-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Yeah, it was fun. I love home-brews - so much easier to titrate doses, something that as a woman I really appreciate since most BB supplements are designed and dosed with the male client in mind. For some things it doesn't matter, but sometimes it does - for instance if there's too much carbohydrate in a single serving, or even more stimulant than I want to take along with my own medications.

Sometimes home brews are truly the best route!

**Built** · 08-07-2009, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nni

if you are homebrewing and looking for a pump, you can do better than arginine.

Sure, but I HAVE arginine. So I'm using it.

What works better, nni?

Juggernaut - nope. Just whatever's on sale.

**IainDaniel** · 08-07-2009, 03:33 PM

ohh I would love to hear a good home brew pre-workout mix

**dg806** · 08-07-2009, 06:23 PM

Some of you guys need to get a life.

08-06-2009, 04:50 PM	#32
nni Driven Sports Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,666	quit the bickering fellas. www.getds.com www.drivensports.co.uk

08-06-2009, 05:38 PM	#33
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	For ease of comparison... ...note that many of these products list proprietary blends, so you don't know how much of each component is in your dose. Information on the individual ingredients: Dietary Supplements Labels Database VPX NO Shotgun Creatine Arginine Glutamine Beta-Alanine Branch Chain Amino Acids Gaspari Superpump 250 Glucose Polymer Blend Creatine Monohydrate L-Arginine L-Arginine alpha - Ketoglutarate (A-AKG) L-Arginine Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC)], Guanipro (Guanidino Propionic Acid) Salycylic Acid 15% American Ginseng Extract L-Tyrosine Methylxanthines (Caffeine) NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) N-Acetyl-Tyrosine Glucuronolactone Rhodiola rosea Root Extract (Standardized to 5% total Rosavins) Ginko bILOBA Extract (standardized to 24% Ginkosides & 6% Terpenes) Vinpocetine Huperzine Taurine L-Leucine L-Glutamine L-Valline L-Isoleucine L-Citruline AKG, Turkesterone (11,20 dihydroxyecdysone from Ajuga turkestanica Extract) Choline Bitartrate Trimethylglycine Indole-3-Carbinol 4-Hydroxyisoleucine (from Fenugreek Seed Extract) Cinnamon Bank Extract (15% cinnamic aldehyde) Bacopa Monniera (standardized for 20% bacosides A&B) Sodium Bicarbonate Potassium Bicarbonate Potassium Gycerophosphate Magnesium Glycerophosphate Alpha Lipoic Acid Bioperine MT Nano Vapor Maltodextrin Creatine Monohydrate Taurine Creatine Anhydrous Creatine Malate Creatine Alpha-Ketoglutarate Tri-Creatine HCA Creatine L-Pyroglutamate Glycocyamine Cinnamon Extract (As Cinnamomum Cassia Blume)(Bark)(Standardized To 40% Polyphenols) Taurine Ethyl Ester HCL Taurine Alpha-Ketoglutarate 18 Beta Glycyrrhetinic Acid Coriolus Versicolor Powder (Plant) D-Glucose Monosaccharide L-Arginine L-Aspartic Acid Di-Sodium Phosphate Di-Potassium Phosphate Di-Calcium Phosphate Xanthinol Nicotinate L-Arginine Ketoisocaproic Acid L-Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL Norvaline L-Norvaline Ethyl Ester HCL Asian Ginseng Extract (As Panax Ginseng)(Plant)(Standardized To 25% Ginsenosides) L-Citrulline Citrulline Malate L-Citrulline Ethyl Ester L-Histidine Alpha-Ketoglutarate Gynostemma Pentaphyllum Extract (Root)(Standardized To 85% Gypenosides) Acetyl L-Carnitine L-Arginine Dihydrochloride Salvia Miltiorrhiza Bunge Powder (Cryptotanshione) Artichoke Flavonoids (As Cynara Scolymus L.)(Root) Crataegus Pinnauficia Bunge Extract (Berry) L-Tyrosine N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine Sulbutiamine Vinpocetine Alpha Glycerophosphocholine Cis-9, 10-Octadecenoamide Huperzine-A (As Huperzia Serrata) Glycine Beta Alanine L-Leucine L-Isoleucine L-Valine Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL L-Leucine Methyl Ester HCL L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate L-Leucine Isovaleric Acid Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL L-Isoleucine Methyl Ester HCL L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate Alpha Amino L-Butyrate Caffeine Anhydrous (Standardized For 117 Mg Caffeine) Yerba Mate Powder (As Llex Paraguariensis)(Leaf) N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine HCL Yohimbine HCL (Pausinystalia Yohimbe)(Bark) Evodia Rutaecarpa Extract (As Tetradium Ruticarpum)(Fruit)(Standardized For 10% Evodiamine) Black Tea Extract (As Camellia Sinensis)(Leaf) (Standardized For 70% Polyphenols, 50% Catechins, 25% EGCG) Theobroma Cacao Extract (Seed) (Standardized For 6% Theobromine) White Tea Extract (As Camellia Sinensis)(Leaf)(Standardized For 50% Polyphenols, 35% Catechins, 15% EGCG) White Willow Extract (As Salix Alba)(Bark)(Standardized For 25% Salicin) 11-Hydroxy Yohimbine MyoGF (Growth Complex) Fenugreek Extract (As Trigonella Foenum-Gracum)(Seed)(Standardized To 20% 4-Hydroxyisoleucine) Quercetin Dihydrate (Citrus Bioflavonoid) Dihydroxy-Diosgenin (25R-5 Alpha-Spirostan-2-Alpha, 3 Beta) Acetyl L-Cysteine Amide N-Acetyl-5-Methoxytryptamine ALRI WTF Pumped Glycerol Monostearate, Arginine AKG 2:1 Taurine Betaine Creatine Ethyl Ester Tricreatine Malate, Tamarindus Indica Histidine AKG 2:1 Citrulline Malate Ethyl Ester Cowpea Caffeine Schizandra Ng-Hydroxy-L-Arginine Ethyl Ester Corosolic Acid 14 AAEFX Cell Rush Kre-Alkalyn Creatine Beta Alanine AAEFX Nytric Pro Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-06-2009, 07:45 PM	#34
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Well, I just knocked back: 5 grams of glycerine (bottle said for external use only, LOL) 1 gram arginine with 1 gram ornithine (leftover from an earlier experiment) 200mg caffeine 5mg dextroamphetamine - and I'm sipping on a protein shake with 30g protein, 20g dextrose and 5g creatine monohydrate. I'm either about to have a SPECTACULAR workout, or I'm about to die. Friends, enemies... pray in the appropriate directions! Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-06-2009, 07:50 PM	#35
rahaas Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 880 Photos: 1	Well let's hope it's not the latter of the two choices given. Who the hell would we worship then? *No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.*

08-06-2009, 11:23 PM	#40
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Well, I had a great workout - got some nice pumps. I'm going to double the glycerine and the arginine tomorrow. Should be fun! Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-06-2009, 10:58 PM	#38
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	cough cough..scuse me...

08-07-2009, 12:30 AM	#42
iggydiesel Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 1	In my opinion best pre-workout sups were blackpowder (made my nose bleed though) and Anavol Hardcore (you have to drink A LOT of tabs). NO-Xplode and cellmass combo didn't work as great, but that's just me.

08-07-2009, 11:44 AM	#45
nni Driven Sports Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,666	if you are homebrewing and looking for a pump, you can do better than arginine. www.getds.com www.drivensports.co.uk

08-07-2009, 03:33 PM	#48
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	ohh I would love to hear a good home brew pre-workout mix Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

08-07-2009, 06:23 PM	#49
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Some of you guys need to get a life. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

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