Pre Workout Supps

TheRhino · 06-25-2009, 11:44 PM

just wondering everyones opinion on pre workout supps like NO2 explode, or black powder? i like the BSN explode for like the first 3 weeks but then i dont see the pumps anymore and there isnt very many servings?

i just got black powder about a month ago which im half way thru and it still works i actually like it alot anyone use this?

anyone think that preworkout supps are a waste? if so what would you prefer to use? to gain the same thing?

m11 · 06-26-2009, 12:24 AM

Definitely a waste of money. NO Xplode is basically nitric oxide, CEE, and various stimulants. The nitric oxide is a vasodilator which allows for a degree of increased blood flow and therefore gives you that sensation of 'pump'. However, it isn't actually doing anything to increase performance. An alternative would be creating monohydrate or ethyl ester and caffeine/ephedrine if you are into the stimulants.

It certainly doesn't not work. But its not cost effective at all.

chobby192 · 06-26-2009, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRhino

just wondering everyones opinion on pre workout supps like NO2 explode, or black powder? i like the BSN explode for like the first 3 weeks but then i dont see the pumps anymore and there isnt very many servings?

i just got black powder about a month ago which im half way thru and it still works i actually like it alot anyone use this?

anyone think that preworkout supps are a waste? if so what would you prefer to use? to gain the same thing?

I used to take NO Shotgun from VPX. If you have money this is a very good supplement. Now I take only preworkout meal and coffee about an hour before my workout. I blend oats, whey protein isolate with milk, fruits and green vegis.

Berto · 06-26-2009, 01:33 PM

If you have the cash, give SuperPump 250 or NO Shotgun a try. These are by far the best two in my opinion. NO Shotgun is cool because it's zero carb, but SuperPump makes me go ballistic.

Note that this is the LAST supplement you need. It goes in this order of importance, for me:
- FOOD
- Protein
- Vitamins
- Creatine
- Fish Oil
- Amino Acids
- Other stuff like NO Shotgun

TheRhino · 06-26-2009, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m11

Definitely a waste of money. NO Xplode is basically nitric oxide, CEE, and various stimulants. The nitric oxide is a vasodilator which allows for a degree of increased blood flow and therefore gives you that sensation of 'pump'. However, it isn't actually doing anything to increase performance. An alternative would be creating monohydrate or ethyl ester and caffeine/ephedrine if you are into the stimulants.

It certainly doesn't not work. But its not cost effective at all.

see i have ben weighing this out lately with everything ive tried and i got to thinking about it they have never really done anything for me. with what comes in them i get the same thing from my clen, but i used to take creatine a long time ago before prework supps like NO but im just really thinking about it and its a waste of money the more i think about it. and your right its not cost effective,

i think im gonna try the mono and stick with my eca and clen they are way cheaper and last a longer time cause with the clen i cycle 2 wks on and 2 off so im not taking freaking 2 ml a day like a crack head

nice to get some opinions thanks m11.

workingatit43 · 06-30-2009, 11:57 AM

We have a new product out it is part of Anabolic Innovations White Label products. It is called Maniac and is 80 servings for $33. I will try to see if sbmuscle will be picking up the line.

juggernaut · 06-30-2009, 12:03 PM

caffiene and bronkaid an hour before a workout. It's cheap, and it burns fat like crazy.

Clen messes with your heart doesnt it?

nkira · 06-30-2009, 01:21 PM

SANN's V12 Magnum & V12 Hp844 both are solid products.

V12 Magnum with creatine & Hp844 is without creatine.

juggernaut · 06-30-2009, 03:17 PM

mines cheaper bitch!

slackadjuster · 07-02-2009, 11:42 AM

I like the Shotgun/ Synthesize stack. I think there is a new (and improved) shotgun out right now.

nkira · 07-02-2009, 12:53 PM

I thought the discussion was about PRE-Workout Supps & not fat-loss supps, though I agree with you on caffeine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

mines cheaper bitch!

Kevsworld · 07-07-2009, 10:34 AM

I tried NO2 explode and it did nothing for me.

The only preworkout supplement that I ever liked was ultimate orange, a formula that had ephedra in it. That actually had a kick.

Now I just stick to a cup of coffee.

m11 · 07-08-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

caffiene and bronkaid an hour before a workout. It's cheap, and it burns fat like crazy.

Same thing that I take. A whole bunch of caffeine pills is like 4 bucks at walmart and a bunch of bronkaid is cheap too. A container of creatine mono is like 20 dollars and lasts a long time.

I got a hold of some no-xplode and it basically does what you would expect it to do based on the ingredients. there's no reason why it wouldnt work. The ingredients are on the side for you to read.

It's just a cost thing.

franklinb · 07-27-2009, 01:24 PM

Its a complete waste of money as now you know it pumps your body for just 2-3weeks after that its a complete waste so try out other supplements you trainer would tell you and make a schedule when to take what....that is when to take fat burners when to take creatine etc.....

firefighter573 · 08-02-2009, 02:46 PM

VPX's N.O. Shotgun is great!

it has Branched chain amino acids in it and it has 20 Grams of protein as well.

just mix a scoop with about 8 oz of water and just down it and your set!

its a subtle "Kick" but not too drastic.

you will notice an increase in your vascularity for sure

Str8Con · 08-03-2009, 04:10 PM

Top 3 are definitely NO-Xplode, Shotgun, and SuperPump. I think each person reacts differently to all of them and has to give them all a try to see which has most benefit.

Just my 2cents

Str8Con

Mass Nutrition · 08-04-2009, 12:09 PM

TheRhino-
Here are the top selling ones and the lowest prices on all. It doesn't mean they are the best but it tells us a little something when people are buying it over and over again. Hope this helps!

BSN NO-Xplode - $27.95
Gaspari SuperPump 250 - $27.95
Muscletech naNOVapor - $35.50
VPX Shotgun - $29.95
MRI Black Powder - $23.95
Controlled Labs White Flood - $22.50

Johnny,
MassNutrition.com

gopro · 08-05-2009, 01:45 PM

My favorite pre-workouts supps have been:

-VPX Shotgun
-Gaspari Superpump 250
-MT Nano Vapor
-ALRI WTF Pumped
-AAEFX Cell Rush + Nytric Pro

juggernaut · 08-05-2009, 01:56 PM

Yeah, well we cant all be sponsored and pampered by a supp company like you Eric.

Quite honestly, coffee has research backing its effectiveness as an aid to training. Plus, for god sakes, its cheap and available anywhere without shipping!

gopro · 08-06-2009, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Yeah, well we cant all be sponsored and pampered by a supp company like you Eric.

Quite honestly, coffee has research backing its effectiveness as an aid to training. Plus, for god sakes, its cheap and available anywhere without shipping!

What the fu%k was that response about Juggernaut?

A. I was just listing the pre-workout supps that have worked well for me in the past.
B. What does me having sponsorship have to do with it.
C. I earned my sponsorships...they were not handed to me.

Seriously man, what is your problem?

**Built** · 08-06-2009, 02:08 AM

I thought this post was brilliant - it's a recipe and a rationale for a home-made preworkout stack, just like mamma used to make...

The Boost Your Pump Stack

SUPPLEMENT DOSE

Arginine 3-5 g 30-60 minutes preworkout
Creatine 3-5 g immediately preworkout
Glycerol 10-30 g 60 minutes preworkout

MariAnne's note: I'd probably knock back the glycerol and arginine with a caffeine tab when I'm getting set to leave for the gym, then toss the creatine into my pre/post workout shake, with some dextrose.

In fact, I'm going to try it this way tomorrow!

Great thread.

jchappj · 08-06-2009, 03:51 AM

USP Labs Jack3d. Great stuff. Intensity has not really diminished after about 4 months of use.

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopro

What the fu%k was that response about Juggernaut?

A. I was just listing the pre-workout supps that have worked well for me in the past.
B. What does me having sponsorship have to do with it.
C. I earned my sponsorships...they were not handed to me.

Seriously man, what is your problem?

My response was to merely point out that most people are looking for something cheap and effective-such as the case with Built's recipe. Nice work on that one MA.

Also,
A. The majority of the brands you listed are your sponsor.
B. In the past, you've shamelessly pimped your sponsors. Which I can understand.
C. I never said you didnt earn your sponsorships.
D. I just dont like you, or what you represent.

Hope this clears this up.

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchappj

USP Labs Jack3d. Great stuff. Intensity has not really diminished after about 4 months of use.

USP Labs is a good company. I've liked everything they came out with, starting with the cissus product.

**nni** · 08-06-2009, 12:58 PM

i disagree about usp, not a fan for many reasons.

ive been using 24/7 from cmi as of late, simple solid pre/peri formula.

gopro · 08-06-2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

My response was to merely point out that most people are looking for something cheap and effective-such as the case with Built's recipe. Nice work on that one MA.

Also,
A. The majority of the brands you listed are your sponsor.
B. In the past, you've shamelessly pimped your sponsors. Which I can understand.
C. I never said you didnt earn your sponsorships.
D. I just dont like you, or what you represent.

Hope this clears this up.

-The original poster, who is the one I was answering to said NOTHING ABOUT CHEAP my friend. He wanted to know what people liked.

-Only two of the brands were my sponser, so sorry there.

-I only "pimp" brands that have a proven track record with me. I have had offers from many companies that I have TURNED DOWN because their products did nothing for me. I can only stand behind what I feel works.

-What do I represent? I am a trainer/coach/writer/pro bodybuilder. I help people reach their goals. I spend most of my day giving out free advice. I am a skinny guy that worked his ass off to achieve what I have when everyone around me told me I was wasting my time.

Whatever bro...you may think whatever you want, but there was ZERO reason for you to have jumped on me for my post that simply answered the question of the member.

juggernaut · 08-06-2009, 01:39 PM

Hey it's ok. Not everyone has to agree with you or your tactics. Nor does everyone have to like you as a person or a writer.

gopro · 08-06-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Hey it's ok. Not everyone has to agree with you or your tactics. Nor does everyone have to like you as a person or a writer.

Ok buddy. Cool. Not having you onboard is not having me lose any sleep

For the original poster: Anyway...my choices for best pre-workout supps stand. They all work better than the other ones I have tried...although I never tried Black Powder.

RoosterTX · 08-06-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopro

Ok buddy. Cool. Not having you onboard is not having me lose any sleep

For the original poster: Anyway...my choices for best pre-workout supps stand. They all work better than the other ones I have tried...although I never tried Black Powder.

I didn't see any pro-hormones on your list...what gives?

ALBOB · 08-06-2009, 04:05 PM

Chalk up another vote for Gaspari Nutrition's Super Pump. I don't compete so I dont' give a rat's ass about vascularity, but I love the psychological boost it gives me. Before SP I'd hit a wall during squat sets where I would absolutely dread getting under that bar one more time. After SP I can't wait, let me at it, I'm ready for more.

And on a side note to Eric: It's okay man, I like you.

(But you're gonna have to hook me up with some great sample packets at this year's Expo.

)

06-25-2009, 11:44 PM	#1
TheRhino Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: washington Posts: 68 Photos: 1	Pre Workout Supps just wondering everyones opinion on pre workout supps like NO2 explode, or black powder? i like the BSN explode for like the first 3 weeks but then i dont see the pumps anymore and there isnt very many servings? i just got black powder about a month ago which im half way thru and it still works i actually like it alot anyone use this? anyone think that preworkout supps are a waste? if so what would you prefer to use? to gain the same thing?

06-26-2009, 12:24 AM	#2
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 847	Definitely a waste of money. NO Xplode is basically nitric oxide, CEE, and various stimulants. The nitric oxide is a vasodilator which allows for a degree of increased blood flow and therefore gives you that sensation of 'pump'. However, it isn't actually doing anything to increase performance. An alternative would be creating monohydrate or ethyl ester and caffeine/ephedrine if you are into the stimulants. It certainly doesn't not work. But its not cost effective at all. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

07-07-2009, 10:34 AM	#12
Kevsworld Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 93	I tried NO2 explode and it did nothing for me. The only preworkout supplement that I ever liked was ultimate orange, a formula that had ephedra in it. That actually had a kick. Now I just stick to a cup of coffee. Kevin StrongandFit.net

07-27-2009, 01:24 PM	#14
franklinb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: australia Posts: 11	Its a complete waste of money as now you know it pumps your body for just 2-3weeks after that its a complete waste so try out other supplements you trainer would tell you and make a schedule when to take what....that is when to take fat burners when to take creatine etc..... frank

08-02-2009, 02:46 PM	#15
firefighter573 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 19	N.O. Shotgun FTW VPX's N.O. Shotgun is great! it has Branched chain amino acids in it and it has 20 Grams of protein as well. just mix a scoop with about 8 oz of water and just down it and your set! its a subtle "Kick" but not too drastic. you will notice an increase in your vascularity for sure Firefighters like to find em hot and leave em wet

06-26-2009, 01:33 PM	#4
Berto Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Bay of LA Posts: 49	If you have the cash, give SuperPump 250 or NO Shotgun a try. These are by far the best two in my opinion. NO Shotgun is cool because it's zero carb, but SuperPump makes me go ballistic. Note that this is the LAST supplement you need. It goes in this order of importance, for me: - FOOD - Protein - Vitamins - Creatine - Fish Oil - Amino Acids - Other stuff like NO Shotgun

06-30-2009, 11:57 AM	#6
workingatit43 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,708	We have a new product out it is part of Anabolic Innovations White Label products. It is called Maniac and is 80 servings for $33. I will try to see if sbmuscle will be picking up the line.

06-30-2009, 12:03 PM	#7
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	caffiene and bronkaid an hour before a workout. It's cheap, and it burns fat like crazy. Clen messes with your heart doesnt it?

06-30-2009, 03:17 PM	#9
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	mines cheaper bitch!

07-02-2009, 11:42 AM	#10
slackadjuster Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 63	I like the Shotgun/ Synthesize stack. I think there is a new (and improved) shotgun out right now.

08-03-2009, 04:10 PM	#16
Str8Con Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7	Top 3 are definitely NO-Xplode, Shotgun, and SuperPump. I think each person reacts differently to all of them and has to give them all a try to see which has most benefit. Just my 2cents Str8Con

08-04-2009, 12:09 PM	#17
Mass Nutrition Newbie Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 22	Pre-Workout Supplements TheRhino- Here are the top selling ones and the lowest prices on all. It doesn't mean they are the best but it tells us a little something when people are buying it over and over again. Hope this helps! BSN NO-Xplode - $27.95 Gaspari SuperPump 250 - $27.95 Muscletech naNOVapor - $35.50 VPX Shotgun - $29.95 MRI Black Powder - $23.95 Controlled Labs White Flood - $22.50 Johnny, MassNutrition.com

08-05-2009, 01:45 PM	#18
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,891	My favorite pre-workouts supps have been: -VPX Shotgun -Gaspari Superpump 250 -MT Nano Vapor -ALRI WTF Pumped -AAEFX Cell Rush + Nytric Pro All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-05-2009, 01:56 PM	#19
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Yeah, well we cant all be sponsored and pampered by a supp company like you Eric. Quite honestly, coffee has research backing its effectiveness as an aid to training. Plus, for god sakes, its cheap and available anywhere without shipping!

08-06-2009, 02:08 AM	#21
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,064	I thought this post was brilliant - it's a recipe and a rationale for a home-made preworkout stack, just like mamma used to make... The Boost Your Pump Stack SUPPLEMENT DOSE Arginine 3-5 g 30-60 minutes preworkout Creatine 3-5 g immediately preworkout Glycerol 10-30 g 60 minutes preworkout MariAnne's note: I'd probably knock back the glycerol and arginine with a caffeine tab when I'm getting set to leave for the gym, then toss the creatine into my pre/post workout shake, with some dextrose. In fact, I'm going to try it this way tomorrow! Great thread. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

08-06-2009, 03:51 AM	#22
jchappj I Don't Feel Tardy! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 619 Photos: 6	USP Labs Jack3d. Great stuff. Intensity has not really diminished after about 4 months of use. Peace!

08-06-2009, 12:58 PM	#25
nni Driven Sports Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,658	i disagree about usp, not a fan for many reasons. ive been using 24/7 from cmi as of late, simple solid pre/peri formula. www.getds.com www.drivensports.co.uk

08-06-2009, 01:39 PM	#27
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Hey it's ok. Not everyone has to agree with you or your tactics. Nor does everyone have to like you as a person or a writer.

08-06-2009, 04:05 PM	#30
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,380	Chalk up another vote for Gaspari Nutrition's Super Pump. I don't compete so I dont' give a rat's ass about vascularity, but I love the psychological boost it gives me. Before SP I'd hit a wall during squat sets where I would absolutely dread getting under that bar one more time. After SP I can't wait, let me at it, I'm ready for more. And on a side note to Eric: It's okay man, I like you. (But you're gonna have to hook me up with some great sample packets at this year's Expo. ) Rules? You mean we have RULES for that??? Last edited by ALBOB : 08-06-2009 at 04:11 PM.

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