Too many pills??

**Built** · 11-02-2009, 12:44 AM

You'll be fine.

PushAndPull · 11-02-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Built

I can't honestly say I've gotten that much of a kick from ephedrine - I think for most folks, the "buzz" comes from the caffeine. I've taken it for appetite suppression though, and stacked with caffeine it works fairly well for that purpose. Nice preworkout, too, really clears your breathing; it is, after all, a decongestant.

Completely disagree. The ephedrine gives you a sustained "buzz" for hours where the caffeine is very short term, about an hour. The appetite suppression of ephedrine is also a very short term side effect, completely vanishing after approx two weeks. Unless you have asthma or are sick, then you really don't need a decongestant to workout.

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Originally Posted by Built

I can't see how EC could supplant diet and exercise. Did you think I meant "here, kid, take these magic beans and get skinny!"?

No, I did not. Sorry if it came across that way. I was only voicing my opinion that I don't believe children should be given ephedrine to aid them in weight loss, regardless of how safe they believe it is, unless maybe if the child is too large to exercise. In that case, shoot the parents, and do whatever you can to save the child. Otherwise proper diet and exercise alone should suffice, and solve the real problem, which I believe is the child's lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by Built

You ever been fat, PushAndPull? I don't mean "post-bulking season juicy" but truly obese?

I cannot say that I have been truly obese at any time in my life.
"post-bulking season juicy"? -lol-

Can we agree to disagree on ephedrine?

**Built** · 11-02-2009, 09:50 AM

PushAndPull, I'm glad to hear you've never been fat.

I have. I was fat for close to twenty years. EC has been one of the tools I've employed to keep me away from that state.

Listen - no drug agrees with everyone. Clearly ephedrine doesn't agree with you; I understand what that feels like. For instance, in my case, Tylenol puts me in the hospital with a migraine (adverse reaction), and green tea with jasmine knocks me out (jasmine can act as a muscle-relaxant, and I'm particularly sensitive to it). A quarter-tab of one of my seventy-nine year old mom's Ativan and I sleep for three days - and yet I take 25mg of dextroamphetamine and 1000mg of caffeine daily, and still manage to sleep like the dead.

My body likes stimulants. I barely even notice any buzz - they just make me feel normal.

Your body appears to have a different reaction to them. I agree completely - YOU shouldn't take ephedrine!

Cheers.

**Prince** · 11-02-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by suprfast

I feel like a druggie pill popper every morning. Am i taking too much, or does it not matter. Popping pills(in terms of real vitamins/minerals/etc) is easy so i dont mind if i needed to "pop" more to make sure i have all my bases covered

Currently my pill jar daily includes:

2 x daily vitamin
8 x fish oil (total of 3000mg/3g of EPA/DHA)
1 x 200mg Caffeine(stay awake/no doze)
1 x bronkaid (25mg ephedrine sulfate, with a chases of 400mg of Guaifenesin)
1 x B12(sublingual, only one i dont swallow[let the jokes begin])
4 x vitamin c (2g total), also has some wide rose hips and citrus bioflavonoids. whatever these are.

Now that you see my medicine cabinet, am i taking too much stuff? just fine? anything you recommend i add/delete? Im open to criticism. I take everything in about 10 seconds first thing in the morning.

I also take creatine, but thats aside from all this morning remedy stuff.
Kris

I don't think that is a lot, I take many more supplements daily.

suprfast · 11-02-2009, 11:00 AM

Prine, ill trade you the pink and yellow pill for the brown and orange pill.

Push and pull,
I see you live in CA so you know we dont have the greatest air. I live in the central valley and agriculture SUCKS around here. The air is crap and i wake up every day congested. When i have been taking the Ephedirine(decongestant) i have been able to breath much easier. I have zero issues with asthma, nor do i need it but atleast im getting an extra plus from this stuff. I dont get any extra ZINGS from anything i take. This is why i question it alot. If there is a proven SNAKE OIL id take it, but after i question it for some time. I questioned EC stack and everything else i take for quite some time before i did research.

Ill let you know if i run into any problems with addiction. I would say the same things you do if i had previously felt this way. I dont disagree with your personal findings, everyone reacts differently to all kinds of medication.
kris

T_man · 11-02-2009, 02:39 PM

Shouldn't your daily vitamins already contain b12 and C seeing as they're really important?

Anyways I wouldn't take vitamin C with the multi in the morning, I would spread it out because vitamin C is water soluble and any excess will be pissed out rather than stored. Same goes for the vitamin B12, but I wouldn't take a complex ontop of the daily vitamins because too much b6 could have some side effects.

suprfast · 11-02-2009, 05:34 PM

I just take it all in the morning because i would forget and dont have the time in the afternoons. I guess i could split them up with a high dose of everything else before bed, but i dont mind pissing out anything extra. Im sure the difference is going to be negligible and if i am just PISSING AWAY MY MONEY, then ill be fine.

Just picked up selenium and D, thanks built
kris

11-02-2009, 12:44 AM	#31
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11-02-2009, 09:50 AM	#33
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	PushAndPull, I'm glad to hear you've never been fat. I have. I was fat for close to twenty years. EC has been one of the tools I've employed to keep me away from that state. Listen - no drug agrees with everyone. Clearly ephedrine doesn't agree with you; I understand what that feels like. For instance, in my case, Tylenol puts me in the hospital with a migraine (adverse reaction), and green tea with jasmine knocks me out (jasmine can act as a muscle-relaxant, and I'm particularly sensitive to it). A quarter-tab of one of my seventy-nine year old mom's Ativan and I sleep for three days - and yet I take 25mg of dextroamphetamine and 1000mg of caffeine daily, and still manage to sleep like the dead. My body likes stimulants. I barely even notice any buzz - they just make me feel normal. Your body appears to have a different reaction to them. I agree completely - YOU shouldn't take ephedrine! Cheers. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

11-02-2009, 11:00 AM	#35
suprfast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Merced, ca Posts: 389	Prine, ill trade you the pink and yellow pill for the brown and orange pill. Push and pull, I see you live in CA so you know we dont have the greatest air. I live in the central valley and agriculture SUCKS around here. The air is crap and i wake up every day congested. When i have been taking the Ephedirine(decongestant) i have been able to breath much easier. I have zero issues with asthma, nor do i need it but atleast im getting an extra plus from this stuff. I dont get any extra ZINGS from anything i take. This is why i question it alot. If there is a proven SNAKE OIL id take it, but after i question it for some time. I questioned EC stack and everything else i take for quite some time before i did research. Ill let you know if i run into any problems with addiction. I would say the same things you do if i had previously felt this way. I dont disagree with your personal findings, everyone reacts differently to all kinds of medication. kris 5'8" 207 lbs 225lbs(6.8.09)/207lbs(10.22.09) looking for 200lbs in 25 weeks(a pound a week) Exercise Examples

11-02-2009, 02:39 PM	#36
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,249 Photos: 1	Shouldn't your daily vitamins already contain b12 and C seeing as they're really important? Anyways I wouldn't take vitamin C with the multi in the morning, I would spread it out because vitamin C is water soluble and any excess will be pissed out rather than stored. Same goes for the vitamin B12, but I wouldn't take a complex ontop of the daily vitamins because too much b6 could have some side effects. Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

11-02-2009, 05:34 PM	#37
suprfast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Merced, ca Posts: 389	I just take it all in the morning because i would forget and dont have the time in the afternoons. I guess i could split them up with a high dose of everything else before bed, but i dont mind pissing out anything extra. Im sure the difference is going to be negligible and if i am just PISSING AWAY MY MONEY, then ill be fine. Just picked up selenium and D, thanks built kris 5'8" 207 lbs 225lbs(6.8.09)/207lbs(10.22.09) looking for 200lbs in 25 weeks(a pound a week) Exercise Examples

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