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    Oral Dermacrine Liqua-Vade



    Dear Ironmag,

    The new Oral Dermacrine Liqua-Vade is here and it’s up to 3x more effective than previous topical version.

    Dermacrine Liqua-Vade is considered our safest and mildest pro-hormone formula, however it can deliver serious results very quickly. Dermacrine can help improve recovery, stamina and strength. As a great well rounded formula, Dermacrine serves as a perfect addition to virtually any pro-hormone or AAS cycle.

    Dermacrine can be used as an anti-catabolic agent during cutting, or as an anabolic agent for bulking when combined with the proper bulking agents and diet.

    Since Dermacrine can suppress natural testosterone production, we recommend a PCT after a cycle.

    Supplement Facts



    Benefits

    • Accelerates recovery time
    • Improves exercise stamina
    • Increased strength and muscle hardness
    • Reduces body fat

    Side effects

    Hairloss - none

    Liver toxicity - none

    Gyno - nipple sensitivity may occur temporarily in sensitive individuals, however permanent gyno is easily avoidable and extremely rare

    Bloat - mild

    Insomnia - rare

    Anxiety - may occur in some non-exercising individuals

    Recommended use

    Every day for 4-6 weeks.

    At the average dose, 1 bottle lasts 4 weeks.

    Dermacrine may also be used as a “kick start” for a longer cycle to quickly increase anabolic hormone levels. It may also be used as a “finisher” to keep anabolic hormone levels elevated while long acting esters (injectables) clear during the end of a cycle.

    Recommended stacks

    Dermacrine may be stacked with virtually any pro-hormone, AAS or TRT regimen for a boost in energy, libido and recovery from exercise. Dermacrine can also aid in fat loss due to its strong thermogenic effect, while also supporting immune system function. Dermacrine would be considered synergistic with any of the below items -

    Injectable AAS (Testosterone, Primobolan, Masteron, Trenbolone, ect)
    Oral AAS (Anavar, Winny, Dianabol, Anadrol, ect)
    Oral Pro-Steroids (Epistane, Pheraplex, Superdrol, ect)

    Recommend PCT

    Before starting any cycle, I recommend reading the Official PCT of 2009.

    For a basic PCT outline we suggest -

    For a 4 week cycle – Sustain Alpha or Testosterone Recovery Stack

    For a 6 week cycle – Testosterone Recovery Stack




    I’d like to thank you for supporting Primordial Performance!

    Yours in health & fitness,

    Eric Potratz
    Primordial Founder & President

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    Looks like a seller! im going to grab some around christmas time woohoo

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    FYI, Since many of our customers would be missing out on this sale, so we have decided to extend the black Friday sale until Tuesday night at 12:00am

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    Looks like a seller! im going to grab some around christmas time woohoo
    I love this stuff. Great pump, sense of well being, energy, love it.

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    Yep, very effective, but very safe PH here.

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    You can save 25% on Dermacrine LV right now with the Year End Clearance sale...

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    * Accelerates recovery time
    * Improves exercise stamina
    * Increased strength and muscle hardness
    * Reduces body fat
    What exactly is the ingredient responsible for these claims?

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    bump

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    I guess it will remain a mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    What exactly is the ingredient responsible for these claims?
    DHEA.

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    DHEA is going to

    * Accelerates recovery time
    * Improves exercise stamina
    * Increased strength and muscle hardness
    * Reduces body fat
    ????

    Really?

    Or does it only do that when stacked with:
    Injectable AAS (Testosterone, Primobolan, Masteron, Trenbolone, ect)
    Oral AAS (Anavar, Winny, Dianabol, Anadrol, ect)
    ???
    Last edited by HeavyBomber; 01-04-2010 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    DHEA is going to



    ????

    Really?

    Or does it only do that when stacked with:


    ???
    Yes it does......But in younger guys with higher test levels naturally, you want see as much as say an older guy like me in their 40's. It is more noticeable in older guys, but compliments younger guys very well.






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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Yes it does......But in younger guys with higher test levels naturally, you want see as much as say an older guy like me in their 40's. It is more noticeable in older guys, but compliments younger guys very well.
    You would think it would be the other way around since natural DHEA production is highest in early adulthood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Yes it does......But in younger guys with higher test levels naturally, you want see as much as say an older guy like me in their 40's. It is more noticeable in older guys, but compliments younger guys very well.
    No, it doesn't. DHEA doesn't do anything of the sort. Nobody really knows what it does. It can convert to test or it can convert to estrogen but doesn't cause a higher than normal level of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    No, it doesn't. DHEA doesn't do anything of the sort. Nobody really knows what it does. It can convert to test or it can convert to estrogen but doesn't cause a higher than normal level of either.
    We see pretty clearly what it does. Weve been selling the product for the past 3 years and have hundreds (if not thousands) of customers that swear by it. It does everything we claim it does. Just try a search on Google.

    Check out the saliva tests on the product page - Dermacrine Liqua-Vade

    You can see Dermacrine is quite capable of boosting Test (and estrogen to a degree). Although some users might not get a significant test boost from DHEA they will still get heavy conversion to Adione, Adiol and 7-oxo metabolites. (all performance enhancing steroids, not to mention all the androstanes)

    -Eric

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    Of those hundreds or perhaps thousands of customers, how many follow your recommended stacks of Injectable and Oral steroids? It's pretty clear that those substances would notably skew any results that may be sworn by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    Of those hundreds or perhaps thousands of customers, how many follow your recommended stacks of Injectable and Oral steroids? It's pretty clear that those substances would notably skew any results that may be sworn by.
    We have % of customers that stack Dermacrine with more powerful compounds. Its not a big muscle builder so if you want to gain a significant amount of weight you will need a stronger compound with it. Most guys like to use Dermacrine with another compound to help energy levels, sex drive, fat loss, ect.

    As far as enhancing fat loss the 7-oxo-DHEA metabolites have pretty solid research showing fat loss in humans.

    -Eric

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    Primordial,

    I have a cycle of 1-Andro, Anabolic Matrix and Nolvadex XT sitting and waiting until mid February to start. I'm in my 2nd week of my first P/RR/S routine and once I get that worked out along with my diet, I was planning on taking a week off and then starting another so that is why the wait.

    Based on what I have, where does this fit in and how/when should I take this if at all.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja44 View Post
    Primordial,

    I have a cycle of 1-Andro, Anabolic Matrix and Nolvadex XT sitting and waiting until mid February to start. I'm in my 2nd week of my first P/RR/S routine and once I get that worked out along with my diet, I was planning on taking a week off and then starting another so that is why the wait.

    Based on what I have, where does this fit in and how/when should I take this if at all.

    Thanks
    Im not sure what the anabolic matrix is, but the Dermacrine would stack well with the 1-Andro. It would basically be like our 1-T.

    Id recommend the normal Deramcrine serving with the length of the 1-andro cycle. (4-6 weeks)

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    1) How well would I do as a 40 year old having never used PH or steriods on your 1-T MUSCLE STACK?
    2) Is the Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade in this stack acting as PCT? Is there a need for anything else or is everything covered in this stack.
    3) I don't want to deal with gyno so would DHEA pose a risk? If, so would it be better to use 1-ando alone without the DHEA?
    4) Again, gyno is a show stopper for me so I'd appreciate and and all info you can provide with regard to this stack

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    I guess it will remain a mystery.
    Sometimes its better that way..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu King View Post
    1) How well would I do as a 40 year old having never used PH or steriods on your 1-T MUSCLE STACK?
    2) Is the Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade in this stack acting as PCT? Is there a need for anything else or is everything covered in this stack.
    3) I don't want to deal with gyno so would DHEA pose a risk? If, so would it be better to use 1-ando alone without the DHEA?
    4) Again, gyno is a show stopper for me so I'd appreciate and and all info you can provide with regard to this stack

    Thanks!!
    If you've never used PH's or steroids either the 1-T or Dermacrine would produce some pretty profound results for you, especially if you have been training for awhile and have a good feel of what your natural limits are.

    I can only recall one user reporting gyno symptoms while using Dermacrine... but he was also using hGH and a bunch of over stuff.

    So no, Dermacrine or 1-T will not give you gyno and they are probably one of the least risky for gyno out of the current slew of legal pro-steroid type products.

    Yes, the Sustain Alpha acts as a PCT, along with the EndoAmp and Toco-8.

    1-andro at a high enough dose to be effective tends to cause a pretty severe feeling of lethargy and reduced sex drive. The DHEA helps counter these effects... at least partly.

    If you dont want to deal with those side-effects then I recommend the Dermacrine.

    -Eric

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    Any thoughts on this paper? It suggets that DHEA doesn't increase muscle mass. But at the same time it states neither does androstenedione. I think we would have to disagree with the androstenedione based on Mark McGuire.

    Effects of dehydroepiandrosterone vs androstenedione supplementation in men.
    Wallace MB, Lim J, Cutler A, Bucci L.

    Department of Sport Science, LGE Performance Systems, Orlando, FL 32728, USA. asklge@aol.com

    PURPOSE: The purpose of this study was to compare the effects of short-term (12 wk) supplementation with androstenedione versus dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) on body composition, strength, and related hormones in middle-aged men. METHODS: A randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind design was used to study 40 healthy, trained (>1 yr weight training) male subjects (mean +/- SD: age 48.1 +/- 3.9 yr; weight 79.8 +/- 9.8 kg). Subjects were randomly assigned to one of three groups: placebo (P), DHEA (D), or androstenedione (A). Supplements (50 mg capsules) were ingested two times daily for 12 wk. All testing, including venous blood samples, body composition, and performance, was conducted at three time points: presupplementation (1 d), at 6 wk, and postsupplementation (12 wk). RESULTS: Despite a small increase in lean body mass (0.8 +/- 0.4 and 0.5 +/- 0.3 kg) and mean strength (6.8 +/- 2.7 and 5.7 +/- 2.4 kg) in both D and A groups respectively, these changes were not significantly different from P. In D, there was a significantly greater increase in DHEA-S levels than in P (P < 0.05). There were no adverse side effects demonstrated during D or A supplementation including significant changes in PSA, liver function, or lipid levels (P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study suggest that supplementation with 100 mg x d(-1) of either androstenedione or DHEA does not independently elicit a statistically significant increase in lean body mass, strength, or testosterone levels in healthy adult men over a 12-wk period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-Surfer View Post
    I think we would have to disagree with the androstenedione based on Mark McGuire.
    Didn't McGuire admit to using way more than just androstenedione?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PushAndPull View Post
    Didn't McGuire admit to using way more than just androstenedione?
    Ok, forget McGuire. There were tons of reports of great success with ErgoPharms 1-AD (aka: androstenedione) before it was banned. The fact that it was banned is proof enough that it worked. But again, this paper suggests it doesn't so not too sure where the scientific community stands on DHEA supplementation.
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    I've heard repeatly that androstenedione was good and DHEA was bad. That's just what i've heard, i've never taken either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PushAndPull View Post
    I've heard repeatly that androstenedione was good and DHEA was bad. That's just what i've heard, i've never taken either.
    Did you read the journal article or are you just stating unfounded opinions?
    Thanks, but I'd prefer a scientific argument based on data not anecdote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-Surfer View Post
    Did you read the journal article or are you just stating unfounded opinions?
    Thanks, but I'd prefer a scientific argument based on data not anecdote.
    -lol- Just opinions. Try HMB, lots of great scientific evidence that it's an effective supplement so go knock yourself out. Besides aren't you basing your opinion on what works based on what is banned. What a joke. Wait what does Mark McGwire say about it? -lol-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial View Post
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    I can only recall one user reporting gyno symptoms while using Dermacrine... but he was also using hGH and a bunch of over stuff.

    So no, Dermacrine or 1-T will not give you gyno and they are probably one of the least risky for gyno out of the current slew of legal pro-steroid type products.

    If you dont want to deal with those side-effects then I recommend the Dermacrine.

    -Eric
    Thanks for the reply. So are you willing to give me your personal guarantee that I won't have any gyno from your 1-T Muscle Stack(Oral).
    If so, I'll put in my order tomorrow and I'll log my cycle on this website starting March-1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu King View Post
    Thanks for the reply. So are you willing to give me your personal guarantee that I won't have any gyno from your 1-T Muscle Stack(Oral).
    If so, I'll put in my order tomorrow and I'll log my cycle on this website starting March-1st.
    You dont have any pre-existing issues? Not recently coming of a superdrone cycle or something?

    Then yes, you have my guarantee of a gyno free cycle.

    -Eric

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