Thread: Coming Soon - Super-DMZ Rx from IronMagLabs

Originally Posted by dave 236

Not even hrt gear?

not if you want to be a product tester/logger.

Originally Posted by Curt James

^^^^But you don't think it's unreasonable to purchase a bottle of this product and follow the directions on the bottle, though, right?

I'm interested in posting a daily journal and am currently cracking those aforementioned (online) books for more information on PCT protocols.

What I have so far is the basic info:

• Begin PCT 24 hours after last administration.
• Anabolic-Matrix Rx stacked with Formadrol Extreme
• 1500mg per day Milk Thistle during and after cycle

Waiting for an e-mail for some clarification on liquid clomid.

Interesting reading what you've contributed to this thread. Thank you.

I havn't read the label of this particular product.

all you need is the clomid for your pct, and you look gtg.

run the clomid at 100mg e/d the first week with the forma/a-mrx

then drop the clomid to 50mg maintenance dosage for the next 3 weeks.

I've yet to run formastane yet, so far 6-bromo is my ai of choice during pct. but I plan on giving it a try soon.

I would say pct is just as important as the cycle itself, maybe even more important.

100mg ed is to much imo, still give you some sides that suck. 50mg ed for 3-4 weeks will be good. front loading is a waste.

Originally Posted by Curt James

^^^^But you don't think it's unreasonable to purchase a bottle of this product and follow the directions on the bottle, though, right?

To be honest Curt, I dont think anyone can answer that but yourself. From a safety standpoint in regards to dosage, sure it is reasonable. I would imagine that the dosages listed are in safe amounts.

But as far as sides, your level of training, diet, liver values etc etc etc, these are all things that a supplement company cannot answer for you, and with a pro-hormone, you need to ask yourself the same questions that you would ask yourself before a cycle, because that is what you are doing.

I have no doubt in my mind that this will be a great product, and the Mdrol I took worked, so I don't want it to sound like I am trashing it, it was just harsh. I would expect very good results from this, but on the same token, also expect very real side effects. They go hand in hand. This is certainly not a creatine or whey powder or multivitamin that you can take haphazardly, or not go into with a plan. You will need to follow a good solid diet regimen, make sure you have your PCT well mapped out, good training, enough calories/protein to make it work, and a strict dosage schedule.

TLDR: Yeah man, you are an intelligent guy, and know your body, so if you feel like you are ready, do some research on your PCT and dosage and give it a run. I would bet you get outstanding results and would be really excited to see a log by you.

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

I havn't read the label of this particular product.

all you need is the clomid for your pct, and you look gtg.

run the clomid at 100mg e/d the first week with the forma/a-mrx

then drop the clomid to 50mg maintenance dosage for the next 3 weeks.

I've yet to run formastane yet, so far 6-bromo is my ai of choice during pct. but I plan on giving it a try soon.

I would say pct is just as important as the cycle itself, maybe even more important.

I don't understand... If you need to take something like Clomid,(as opposed to Anabolic Matrix RX and Formadrol Extreme ) Why isn't that what is recommended on the label?

Because Clomid is not altogether legal for purchase except for research purposes.

^heh I learned that factoid courtesy of my recent e-mail reply from the one company.

"Our products are for research purposes only and not for human consumption."

So... what happens if I take what is for human consumption and recommended( Anabolic RX and Formadrol)?

That may be a question better asked in the Anabolic section bro. Sorry, I just dont have any experience or knowledge in regards to those. Hopefully someone can chime in for you.

FYI you can pick up Clomid through board sponsors cheap and easy. I use CEM myself, but I'm sure you could go with just about any of them.

"Let's also start by saying that you don't have to run post cycle therapy.........you also don't have to wipe your ass after taking a dump: it's just a really really good idea to do these things" -quote from "stupid peoples guide to post cycle therapy"

I have answered how you should go about proper pct after a cycle of steroids, twice mystic.

clomid is available by prescription only. just like injectable testosterone.

can you pharma grade clomid/nolvadex suitable for human use on the black market? yes. I recently made the switch from pharma grade serms to research chems.

i cant tell the difference besides taste.

I would never recomend anyone to run an oral methylated steroid cycle without a serm included in their pct, except for compounds such as tbol, anavar, or halodrol.

but even these can be ran high enough to seriously effect hpta function.

can you recover with a just good enough otc pct program? yes. you can also recover with nothing at all. your body will return to normal, eventually (hopefully)

the purpose of post cycle therapy is to keep the hard earned gains, after you cease using a highly anabolic/androgenic compound. and quickly restore the natural balance of your bodies homeostasis.

the faster you do this, the more chance you have of keeping gains, as well as continue to make them. not to mention, the sooner you can go back on as well.

pct is going to be an individualized thing for each person. what works for me, may not work for you.
you have to pretty much experiment until you find what is best for you and your body.

in fact, pct is such a detailed subject, it is an entirely different set of skills to learn about.

here are some key words to google that will give you a much better understanding.

Post cycle therapy

hcg

serms

clomid

nolvadex

otc pct

these should be good starting points to get you set up in the direction, to avoid seriously messing yourself up, as well as keep the gains you worked to hard for, as well as put your body through so much crap to get.

jbryan.

William Llewellyn's "Anabolics 9th edition" aka Anabolics 09.
this is like the bible for aas, again, I stronly recomend you (and anyone else wanting to use anabolic/androgenic compounds) purchase a copy.

info on bill.
William Llewellyn is a world-renowned foremost authority on anabolic substances and its effects on muscular performance. An accomplished research scientist, author, publisher, inventor, columnist, and company CEO in the field of sports nutrition and anabolic substances, Llewellyn has been featured in ESPN Magazine, Washington Post, Fox News Channel, ESPN Television, NPR News, ESPN Radio and other national and regional TV / Radio news programs.

In addition to writing the Anabolics books, Llewellyn also publishes Body of Science Magazine, a quarterly publication dedicated to the "understanding of sports enhancement." He writes a monthly column for Muscular Development, and has written numerous articles for other bodybuilding publications including Ironman Magazine, Exercise for Men Only, and Natural Muscle.
During his fifteen years of anabolic research, Llewellyn has made several important scientific discoveries. His latest discovery of arachidonic acid has been patented for its anabolic properties and its "use as a method of increasing skeletal muscle mass."

I would never recomend anyone to run an oral methylated steroid cycle without a serm included in their pct, except for compounds such as tbol, anavar, or halodrol.

Formadrol extreme does have a SERM in it..

Originally Posted by mystictrunks

Formadrol extreme does have a SERM in it..

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

What you don't beleive me? It really does.

no it doesnt.

Well it says that it does on the bottle... I guess they could be lying though.

^I'm going to guess that "Sodium caprylate,ellagic acid (highly standardized),ginger (highly standardized),quercetin,luteolin,piperine) 520 mg" is probably not the same as an actual SERM (Selective Estrogen-Receptor Modulator).

See also Selective estrogen receptor modulator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Prince

liver stress, testicular shutdown, lethargy, back pumps, loss of libido, cramping.

milk thistle on cycle is recommended, and PCT is absolutely necessary post cycle.

What are back pumps?

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

I dont tell anybody what they should do. everyone here is an adult (kind of).
All I can do is make suggestions about what I think is best.

I and others have no problem helping people. It is just aggravating, and dissapointing though when I see people wanting to use anabolic/androgenic hormones, but not do any kind of researching on the subject (from real credible sources, not Jo Daddy on the internet)
It's plain stupid. And makes me wonder if that person is trying to become a statistic.
I am not an expert. there are only a handful of experts on the subject. Openly stating you do not wish to read books to learn about the hormones you are wanting to take, is just, well, I cant believe someone would do that.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do with you health. I hope you wise up, and open a book or two my friend.

What is the best book and internet resources to research this in your opinion please? I saw the two you already mentioned. Are either one of them adequate or is one better than the other.

Originally Posted by jbryand101b

I havn't read the label of this particular product.

all you need is the clomid for your pct, and you look gtg.

run the clomid at 100mg e/d the first week with the forma/a-mrx

then drop the clomid to 50mg maintenance dosage for the next 3 weeks.

I've yet to run formastane yet, so far 6-bromo is my ai of choice during pct. but I plan on giving it a try soon.

I would say pct is just as important as the cycle itself, maybe even more important.

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