1-AD / 1-Test

**Cramon** · 09-20-2002, 08:32 PM

Help me out with this one. I don't understand how taking a 1-test product would supress my natural production of Testosterone.
Even though very similar, Testosterone and 1-Testosterone are two different hormones. Wouldn't the body recognize them as being different? I am on my 3rd week of 1-AD and like the results as far as my weight and strength going up. I am starting to look smoother though and feel a little bloated.

**Robboe** · 09-21-2002, 04:46 AM

You'll be holding water from the 1-ad.

I can't remember exactly, but it's got something to do with the estrogen. I can't remember if 1-ad aromatises easier or what, but basically, the estrogen causes cell volumisation and makes you retain water (explaining the smoothness/bloating you're experiencing) which is partly why your strength has gone up.

1-test from what i've read is seven times more anabolic that testosterone. It's currently legal via some loophole in the law.

Anyway, it's a steroidal compound and you should think of it as 'injecting through the skin' via certain transporters. It's basically a way of using steroids without needles or oral administration.

it affects the HTPA axis no different and so your own test production will lower.

The only difference is that once you come off, the revival of your own test levels won't be as hard as it would be if you injected synthetic testosterone. Although a lot of people do recommend any basic post-cycle therapy no different to injected steroids, like HCG or clomid. You can probably get away with using more zinc, several EC spaced throughout the day (half doses) and even nicotine if you care to go that route.

**Cramon** · 09-21-2002, 11:04 AM

Chicken Daddy,
I appreciate the responce but from what I gather, it is impossible for 1-AD to aromatize to Estrogen.
I would have thought with a higher Test level that I would be shedding water from under the skin.
1-Test and 1-AD are basically the same thing but with a different delivery correct??

**soundmind** · 09-21-2002, 01:57 PM

heard good things about that stuff....
*goes to mailbox to look for paycheck....*

**Robboe** · 09-21-2002, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Cramon
Chicken Daddy,
I appreciate the responce but from what I gather, it is impossible for 1-AD to aromatize to Estrogen.

You're right.

I was thinking of 4-AD.

Sorry, my fault.

**ZECH** · 09-24-2002, 02:33 PM

You usually get leaner while taking 1-test gel or 1-ad. That is why it is a good idea to up your calories while on it to maximize you muscle gain. And no you are not holding water from 1-ad. Most likely it is something in your diet! Anytime you get an external supply of test, your body will slow it's own natural production because it doesn't need all that! Depending on how long your cycle is, determines how much your body shuts down. Longer cycles (8 weeks) require more time off after the cycle(at least as long as you cycle was and maybe double). When coming off the cycle you want to get your natural production up again as quick as possible to maintain your gains. Try the new ergopharm 6-oxo. It will supposedly outperform any other post cycle supplement by far that is legal! 1-ad uses the liver to convert to 1-test. 1-test on the other hand is just that! No conversion necessary and thus you get more percentage into the blood stream! A combination of 1-test/4-ad kicks ass! (as in Avant one +)!

**Zarathustra** · 11-02-2002, 11:53 PM

Aaaaah yes the one+; One of the best products out there. Definitely take the 6-Oxo and some ZMA for your recovery; I haven't heard a single bad thing about 6-Oxo yet. Nutrex's I-TU works great too (1-test ethergels), and Molecular's new 4AD ethergels kicked ass.

**jey2283** · 11-04-2002, 10:48 PM

are there any side affects? to t1

**ZECH** · 11-05-2002, 06:02 AM

Yep. Do a search on 1 test and you'll find lots of threads dealing with 1 test.

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 07:11 AM

There are several prohormones that are anabolic without ever being converted to test. 1-test and 4-AD are two of them. 1-AD is simply converted to 1-test.

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 09:29 AM

4-AD does convert to test.

**ZECH** · 11-05-2002, 09:48 AM

It has to convert to DHT first.........

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 09:52 AM

Same end product.

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
4-AD does convert to test.

But does not have to turn to test to be anabolically active in your system. If the enzymes are overwhelmed and cannot make the conversion you still have a potent substance in your system.

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:08 PM

True.

Maybe i misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
True.

Maybe i misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

Perhaps

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:19 PM

I think you guys use the term digest a littel loose. I am talking mainly about protein and amino utilization.

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:21 PM

Wow, there i go again...

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
I think you guys use the term digest a littel loose. I am talking mainly about protein and amino utilization.

I never used the term "digest" my friend...

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:24 PM

Ummm...I'd like to say "wrong forum" Eric, but this is like...wrong board altogether.

And i never said that, duque did.

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Ummm...I'd like to say "wrong forum" Eric, but this is like...wrong board altogether.

And i never said that, duque did.

Now you really have me confused? What!!!!!?

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

Here is what i see:

**gopro** · 11-05-2002, 05:43 PM

Are you saying you are blind and can't read that I used the word convert, not digest?

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:51 PM

What the fuck?!

The sentence: "I think you guys use the term digest a littel loose. I am talking mainly about protein and amino utilization." is a sentence written by douque on WBB in a protein thread.

I NEVER typed that, nor did i paste it and post it. My original post was "Are you trying to seduce me?", hence the whole "Oops there i go again" post.

And nor would i let a typo like "littel" stand in a post.

**Robboe** · 11-05-2002, 05:52 PM

This is fucking surreal.

**ZECH** · 11-06-2002, 07:08 AM

CD, you have totally lost me here! Seems like your looking at another thread?

**gopro** · 11-06-2002, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
This is fucking surreal.

Is this like a Twighlight Zone or X-File episode or what?

**kuso** · 11-06-2002, 07:26 AM

Hijacked?

**ZECH** · 11-06-2002, 07:41 AM

Maybe!

**Robboe** · 11-06-2002, 09:13 AM

I posted "Are you trying to seduce me?".

I have no idea why it says something about protein digestion.

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