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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubauer View Post
    Otic? Hopefully this preworkout supplement does not go in your ear...
    I tried it in my ear but found that swallowing it worked just as well!

    Anyway...it is a great product. Very steady and long-lasting energy without an over-stimulated feeling. Also digests very well and does not cause any stomach upset. Taste is not that great, but it is hard to mask the ingredients unless you go nuts with artificial stuff.

    I worked closely with EFX while we tried dozens of combinations/ratios of ingredients, and I am really happy with the final product.

    Also, we refused to go the route of most other companies and use geranium, which will soon be banned anyway.

    So, if anyone gives it a try, I hope you enjoy it!


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    Purple wrath has been good and Ive used in the past. Now I just mix some bulk creatine and beta alanine in with my bulk labrada labs BCAA's. Fruit punch is good! super cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    LMAO try glucose. Cheap and effective. You could toss in a squeeze of lemon and a dash of half-salt and you'll have preworkout lemonaid that works.
    Nice! I'd just be missing some caffeine.
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    Omega Sports Ultima Just ordered this for a try. Looked interesting. A non stim preworkout. Ive heard good things about it we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortrit View Post
    Nice! I'd just be missing some caffeine.
    Make it with sun-tea instead of the water. Solved.
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    1mr is really good

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    Try Gaspari Nutrition Super Pump 250. I mix two scoops of that with one scoop of the GN Myfusion protein. Take about 30 minutes before working out.

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    Don't be fooled, it's all about the Caffeine !!!

    To most Starbucks is a good pre-workout...

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    I use creatine and N.O. Xplode.

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    I tried a few pre workouts superpump etc, and to be honest the best I have ever used is the plain Xpand. Worked really well.

    Im not a fan of these caffeine and arginine mixes, as they do diff things.

    Just my thoughts on it all. I like the plain Xpand and 50 serves and its cheap!

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    I use creatine and Jack3d... I love the tingly feeling from Jack3d

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    I just tried the new NO product and it's awesome!!! There was absolutely no crash after my workout and it tastes great!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex30 View Post
    What are some characteristics you look for when searching for a Pre-workout formula? I'm having a hard time finding anything that doesn't make me gag and I really don't like pills.
    I personally use a product called Serum: Accelerated - made by Magnum Nutraceuticals. Great taste, great energy, and great pumps and best of all no crash afterwards

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    I used to take Jack3d but sh*t sucks now for me...

    tried N2KTS and it has been absolutely tearin my gym sessions apart

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    Jack3d gave me ok results energy wise, I loved blast and poseiden but you can't get it anymore, or atleast I don't think you can, maniac treated me well, but if flavor is a major issue I would say suck it up and choke it down, try no shotgun if you are really wanting something nasty tasting. I would recommend trying something basic like gplc and some l-tyrosine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HATEFULone View Post
    I would recommend trying something basic like gplc and some l-tyrosine.
    For a basic pre-workout I like 4.5g GlycoCarn brand GPLC, 2.5g Beta-Alanine, 10g of Ajinomoto's BCAAs. If I want a stimulant I add some caffeine from either a cheap energy drink, caffeine pill, or spare stimulant. Creatine optional.

    If you want to check out the other end of the spectrum, look no further than Pre-Max from Primordial Performance. It provides 4.5g of GlycoCarn GPLC, 11g of PeptoPro Hydrolyzed Casein, Freeze Dried Pomegranate, and other anti-oxidants. I've provided Pre-Max to some co-workers and so far their reaction to it was that it was the best pre-workout they've tried.
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    I'm always trying to put together a new pre-workout cocktail. Today's was 2g ALCAR, 2g PLCAR, EndoAmp, Toco8, Vitaberry, 3.12g DAA and some Resveratrol. Reflecting on it the strength was great, the pump was good, but I could have benefited from some caffeine to help with pain receptors bit as well provide a little kick.
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    N.O. xplod has been my choice for a while now and it worked great at first. I can tell I'm used to it but I guess it is a mental thing, I feel like I have to take it in order to workout.

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    Looks like a lot of wasted money, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chevyman View Post
    N.O. xplod has been my choice for a while now and it worked great at first. I can tell I'm used to it but I guess it is a mental thing, I feel like I have to take it in order to workout.
    A very common thing, if you have every pinned you will no that it is hard to workout after you come off, you feel like you need it. Most likely your adrenals are saturated and you need a long break from stims, also if it is still available I would get some reset ad.

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    I'm going to take a break from it and the creatine (for other reasons) for a while. Maybe then I'll try the fast twitch. Never heard of Reset Ad. Does it actually work?

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    I am kind of a caffeine whore, so take my advice with a grain of salt if you don't like the stuff. The last two pre workout products I have taken - jack3d by USP Labs and 1 MR by BPI Sports have been very effective. Lots of good energy and focus. The taste hasn't been bad either. Both were fruit punch though, I haven't tried the others.

    I don't mind Ragnorok or Smash either. Both decent products!
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    I'm into herbal stuff. not pills, teas/decoctions/infusions.
    On the outside, things like Shotgun, JACK3D and those stim products raise the metabolism. On the inside, they kill your organs, put things out of balance.
    A friend of mine subscribed to this type of information, she takes JACK3D, caffeine pills all day long, and has had chronic kidney infections, and now joint problems, trouble waking up in the morning, more energy at night, and I didn't even ask her for other details that could've given me more info.

    It's easy to get adrenal fatigue/overtraining syndrome when taking these things too much. I've had chronic overtraining from relying on stimulants and doing too much high intensity exercise and too many max lifts.

    I take licorice/rhodiola/schisandra before workouts and feel a lot healthier.
    Look into adaptogenic herbs, they all increase NO

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkxii View Post
    I'm into herbal stuff. not pills, teas/decoctions/infusions.
    On the outside, things like Shotgun, JACK3D and those stim products raise the metabolism. On the inside, they kill your organs, put things out of balance.
    A friend of mine subscribed to this type of information, she takes JACK3D, caffeine pills all day long, and has had chronic kidney infections, and now joint problems, trouble waking up in the morning, more energy at night, and I didn't even ask her for other details that could've given me more info.

    It's easy to get adrenal fatigue/overtraining syndrome when taking these things too much. I've had chronic overtraining from relying on stimulants and doing too much high intensity exercise and too many max lifts.

    I take licorice/rhodiola/schisandra before workouts and feel a lot healthier.
    Look into adaptogenic herbs, they all increase NO
    Sounds like your friend has some major cortisol issues, she could use some phosphatidylserine, would do her a world of good. I agree with going the herbal route, I have experimented with green tea, or just whey in coffee preworkout. Or a quick jump in the cold tub always woke me up in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkxii View Post
    On the outside, things like Shotgun, JACK3D and those stim products raise the metabolism. On the inside, they kill your organs...
    Really? They kill your organs. Really.

    Which ones? I'd like to know what I no longer have.
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    If they kill your organs I am a zombie on the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkxii View Post
    I'm into herbal stuff. not pills, teas/decoctions/infusions.
    On the outside, things like Shotgun, JACK3D and those stim products raise the metabolism. On the inside, they kill your organs, put things out of balance.
    A friend of mine subscribed to this type of information, she takes JACK3D, caffeine pills all day long, and has had chronic kidney infections, and now joint problems, trouble waking up in the morning, more energy at night, and I didn't even ask her for other details that could've given me more info.

    It's easy to get adrenal fatigue/overtraining syndrome when taking these things too much. I've had chronic overtraining from relying on stimulants and doing too much high intensity exercise and too many max lifts.

    I take licorice/rhodiola/schisandra before workouts and feel a lot healthier.
    Look into adaptogenic herbs, they all increase NO
    Can you give more insight to these allegations? Where's your proof?



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