Thread: Whats the deal with pro-hormones?

I take Methyl 1-D and I don't have any sides (but it doesn't do all that much either...)

What's your goal?

Its dangerous to cross the street. You could die in a wreck going to the grocery store. Nothing is without its risks. There are lots of precautions to take while on prohormones that will minimize any negative side effects and maximize the positive ones. Do some research and learn how to do that and you will be just fine when taking PH's or real gear.

Originally Posted by curbsidestudios

Of course I researched it and its all negative negative negative. I kinda want the low-down. From people who use them. I mean, alcohol can kill your liver and people still do it. What is it compared to that?

which compounds are you asking about?
1-Andro Rx is not liver toxic at all.

my best advice I can give for you, or anyone looking to use anabolic/androgenic compounds would be to purchase a copy of anabolics 9th edition by William Llewellyn, and read through this.

it will be the best investment you can make if you really want to look into using aas/ph.

there is no shortcut to learning about these compounds, they can be used safely, and with great success, but they can also be abused, and cause permanent, life threatining conditions.

i've heard prohormones can turn you gay

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i've heard prohormones can turn you gay

OMG!!! Im stopping my cycle right now and starting PCT.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i've heard prohormones can turn you gay

my wife was right!

Originally Posted by eastwoodmuscle

my best advice I can give for you, or anyone looking to use anabolic/androgenic compounds would be to purchase a copy of anabolics 9th edition by William Llewellyn, and read through this.

or you can look around on this site hard enough. there used to be a free copy linked somewhere. they may have taken it down but i had it downloaded on my desktop for the longest time and didn't pay a DIME BTCHES

Pro hormones are in my opinion a waste of time, just get at the real stuff.

Originally Posted by awhites1

or you can look around on this site hard enough. there used to be a free copy linked somewhere. they may have taken it down but i had it downloaded on my desktop for the longest time and didn't pay a DIME BTCHES

this is a more affordable option for sure.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i've heard prohormones can turn you gay

That explains the weird dreams I've been having about Mark Wahlberg lately. Damn you Halodrol.

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

Pro hormones are in my opinion a waste of time, just get at the real stuff.

there is "real stuff" that is legal! Super-DMZ Rx™ Pro-Anabolic (Superdrol Dymethazine)

Originally Posted by Prince

there is "real stuff" that is legal! Super-DMZ Rx™ Pro-Anabolic (Superdrol Dymethazine)

i dont consider a superdrol clone "real stuff"

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

i dont consider a superdrol clone "real stuff"

this statement officiall makes you a dumbass in my book for 2 reasons, well, 3.

Reason 1: Super dmz is not a superdrol clone, it is a dimethazine, aka mebolazine clone, and also an active oral anabolic steroid previously used in the past for medical applications (by the french i believe).

Reason 2: Superdrol is, just like the oral steroid above, a real oral methylated steroid. it's compound name is methyldrostanolone. or, di methyl dht if you want. dehydrotestosterone (dht, testosterone that has interacted with the 5 alpha reductase enzyme and become it's 5a reduced metabolite) methylated in the 2a position, and 17a position for increased oral availability.

Reason 3: you do not know anything about steroids obviously, but yet feel knowledgable enough to state an oral anbolic/androgenic steroid is not a real anabolic androgenic steroid.

I know, your world just shattered. steroids sold as supplements. crazy.

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

i dont consider a superdrol clone "real stuff"

Really? It's not an SD clone, it's an anabolic steroid called Dimethazine.


Dimethazine Explained
by heavyiron

Super-DMZ Rx, a brand name of Dimethazine is two steroid molecules bound together by a nitrogen atom. Upon ingestion, stomach acid separates the two steroid molecules that closely resemble methyldrostanolone (Superdrol) Therefore Super DMZ does not contain Superdrol but once broken down it is similar as far as I can tell.

Dimethazine was a prescribed steroid at one time therefore we have human trials in which this steroid was used. This medication has been around since 1962 when it was presented in the literature. Early on it was sold under the Roxilon brand name. Dimethazine is basically an oral Masterone (drostanolone propionate). I am reading published reports that Dimethazine possesses an androgenic rating of 96 and an anabolic rating of 210. Furthermore it seems to possess little to no estrogenic or progestational activity. The reason I feel this is not identical to Superdrol is because Superdrol has a different androgenic/anabolic rating of 20/400 respectively. However Dimethazine is a strong steroid.

Dimethazine is an oral c-17alpha alkylated steroid that is liver toxic to a degree. Note that in studies administering 20mg per day to patients for 45-95 days, dimethazine was shown to induce modest to moderate bilirubinemia (excess bilirubin in the blood, indicative of hepatic stress) in close to 50% of patients. Approximately 25% of the patients noticed substantial increases in serum transaminases. These results suggest this steroid has significant hepatoxicity and should therefore be limited to shorter durations of use.

Super-DMZ Rx is a potent steroid that should illicit solid gains in lean body mass with little water or fat gain depending on diet. Most men can tolerate between 10-20 mg daily for 6-8 weeks however more adventuresome users may use up to 40mg daily for shorter durations like 3-4 weeks.

Because of the liver toxicity of Dimethazine I strongly recommend using liver supporting supplements such as Liv 52 or milk thistle before and during administration of this steroid. Proper hydration is also recommended to lower stress on organs. Alcohol and other liver stressing medications like acetaminophen should be avoided during Dimethazine administration. Oral steroids often times negatively effect lipids therefore lipid supporting supplements should also be employed such as omega 3 fish oils, fiber and plant sterols. High blood pressure is another concern so that should be monitored regularly.

Super-DMZ rx is currently available for purchase without a prescription. How long this steroid will be distributed is unknown.

Chemical Name(s): 17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine




About Dymethazine:

In only 4 years since the Pro-Hormone ban of 2005 countless products have claimed to be as strong as or even stronger than the over the counter hormones once sold. After considerable time, energy, and research performed by i-Force's product formulation team, we are proud to announce the hormonal product everyone has been waiting for.

Featuring unheard of anabolic and myotropic effects, Dymethazine was compared to Methyltestosterone, Oxymethalone, Androstanazole and Testosterone Propionate in their protein-anabolic activity. Dymethazine was shown to have the HIGHEST myotropic (muscle building) effects out of any of the previously named steroids (Methyl-Test, Anadrol, Winstrol, and Testosterone Propionate)! In addition to this, it also displayed an ability to induce a higher rate of Nitrogen retention than Methyl-Test.(1)

In another study performed on Dymethazine, patients were administered Dymethazine for 45+ days. Liver values did not change for 50% of patients, while the other 50% noticed only modest to moderate increases in liver values(2). So, Dymethazine can increase liver values, however nowhere near the current methyl monsters on the market today. This means Dymethazine can be run for 4-6 weeks without the need of expensive liver support supplements.

Hormonal products that give huge strength/weight gains are usually associated with watery or wet gains due to large amounts of aromatization resulting in high levels of estrogen in the body. Too much estrogen can cause severe bloating, fat gain, and even potential growth problems. Dymethazine features 0% ability to aromatize and expresses an extremely weak androgenic activity (3). This means Dymethazine will produce intense gain, has very little to no liver impact, and will cause absolutely no estrogen related side effects.

Move beyond the pro-hormones of yesterday, and step into the future of Designer Steroids with Dymethazine. Consume 1-3 capsules, evenly spaced throughout the day. Do not use Dymethazine for longer than 6 weeks. Immediately begin PCT dosing protocol upon finishing Dymethazine. Wait at least 90 days before running Dymethazine again.

Referrences
1. Biological activity of dimethazine in the protein-anabolic field. Matscher, R.; Lupo, C.; De, P. Ruggieri. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan, Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 988-90. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34623 AN 1963:34623 CAPLUS
2. Protracted action of protein anabolism in gynecological oncology and its effect on hepatic function. Dambrosio, F.; Donatelli, G. Fontana. Univ. Milan, Cancro, Il (1963), 16(5), 553-604. Journal language unavailable. CAN 62:11656 AN 1965:11656 CAPLUS
3. A new steroid with protein anabolic activity: dimethazine. De Ruggieri, P.; Matscher, R.; Gandolfi, C.; Chiaramonti, D.; Lupo, C.; Pietra, E.; Cavalli, R. Ormonoterap. Richter, Milan, Archivio di Scienze Biologiche (Bologna) (1963), 47(1), 1-19. CODEN: ASBIAL ISSN: 0004-0169. Journal language unavailable. CAN 60:46973 AN 1964:46973 CAPLUS


Comparisons with methyltest, winny, anadrol and test prop showed better mytropic effect on the castrates with methylmasteron.

Biological activity of dimethazine in the protein-anabolic field.

Matscher, R.; Lupo, C.; De, P. Ruggieri. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan, Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 988-90. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34623 AN 1963:34623 CAPLUS

Abstract

Dimethazine (I), 2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine, was compared to methyltestosterone, oxymethalone, androstanazole and testosterone propionate in its protein-anabolic activity. The tests were made on castrated rats with a single hypodermic injection of 250 , on young male and female rats with increasing daily oral doses from 100 to 1000 for 30 days, and on adult male rats with daily oral doses of 1000 for 25 days. It was shown that I did not interfere with the growth of young animals; that adult rats treated with I gained, on an av., 20 g. more in wt. than the controls; and that I had a greater myotropic effect on castrates than the other steroids, and induced a higher N retention than methyltestosterone in adult males.

Little to no progestenic/estrogenic activity...

Biological determination of the secondary hormonal activities of dimethazine.

Lupo, C.; Matscher, R.; Ruggieri, P. De. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan., Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 990-4. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34624 AN 1963:34624 CAPLUS

Abstract

Expts. with rats and rabbits showed that dimethazine, 2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine has, in contrast to its protein-anabolic properties, practically no estrogenic, progestational, and corticoid activity. Similarly, it has no effect on liver glycogen, and no antiinflammatory action on the anaphylactoid edema.

Here is an abstract where females took 20mg for 45+ days...and it appears that less than half had any liver issues.

Protracted action of protein anabolism in gynecological oncology and its effect on hepatic function.

Dambrosio, F.; Donatelli, G. Fontana. Univ. Milan, Cancro, Il (1963), 16(5), 553-604. Journal language unavailable. CAN 62:11656 AN 1965:11656 CAPLUS

Abstract

Twenty mg. of dimethazine, an anabolizing steroid, was administered daily for 45-95 days to 11 gynecological patients. More than 50% of the cases showed no change in the bilirubinemia, the others showed modest to moderate increases. The glutamic-oxalacetic and the glutamic-pyruvic transaminases of the serum increased greatly in 3 patients. The albumins concn. usually decreased in the course of the treatment, while the globulins concn. did not change.

never heard of the product but most shit you can buy legally is garbage

im glad you feel this way, more for me!

they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure!

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

never heard of the product but most shit you can buy legally is garbage

I

it's only legal as it hasnt been banned yet. Just because it hasn't been made illegal doesn't mean to say that it won't work.

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

never heard of the product but most shit you can buy legally is garbage

Theres been plenty of legal PH's and steroids that have been great. Phera, Epi and Sdrol are just three of the many great DS and PH's that have been legal at one point or another. The 2005 ban eliminated some great ones. The 2009 eliminated Phera. The rest on the list were not even worth banning IMO. Dont know how Sdrol has survived!

Oh I negged you for opening your mouth and not knowing what you were talking about. If I dont know something, I try to keep it shut!

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

Theres been plenty of legal PH's and steroids that have been great. Phera, Epi and Sdrol are just three of the many great DS and PH's that have been legal at one point or another. The 2005 ban eliminated some great ones. The 2009 eliminated Phera. The rest on the list were not even worth banning IMO. Dont know how Sdrol has survived!

Oh I negged you for opening your mouth and not knowing what you were talking about. If I dont know something, I try to keep it shut!

i know plenty about prohormones and aas

and i stand by saying that prohormones are garbage.

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

i know plenty about prohormones and aas

and i stand by saying that prohormones are garbage.

no you don't, otherwise you would not make such an ignorant blanket statement.

Originally Posted by Prince

no you don't, otherwise you would not make such an ignorant blanket statement.

you dont see jay cutler taking superdrol lol

Originally Posted by Prince

no you don't, otherwise you would not make such an ignorant blanket statement.

+1

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

you dont see jay cutler taking superdrol lol

That's right, he takes NO-Explode and True-Mass.

Originally Posted by 11B

That's right, he takes NO-Explode and True-Mass.

looks like u picked up some gyno frmo ur last run with superdrol lmao

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

you dont see jay cutler taking superdrol lol

first of all SD is not a pro-hormone its an anabolic steroid, secondly how do you know what orals he stacks? maybe he does use SD.

Originally Posted by moarwhey123

you dont see jay cutler taking superdrol lol

Originally Posted by 11B

That's right, he takes nano vapor hard core and True-Mass.

and dont forget about the jay cutler mass stack!