Transdermal 1-Test & Oral 4ad ???

Cramon · 10-16-2002, 07:21 PM

Will a Transdermal 1-test & oral 4-ad still give good results? The only Trans. I found that I could afford at the moment is
Dermocypional TD by Global. ( which as anyone tried or heard of ?)

I was planing on stacking with 4 diol 250 by AST.

The 1-test is 30 mg per application.
( is that low for a transdermal ?)
The 4-ad is 250 mg per capsule.

Sorry to beat a dead horse on the 1-test topic but I need some advice on this one.

Robboe · 10-17-2002, 08:21 AM

AST's PH products are apparently known to fall short of quoted amounts. Not knocking them, but you can find better choices, i believe.

For prices, have you check www.1fast400.com ?

ONE is probably the best transdermal 1-test product.

The ONE+ comes with the 4-AD already in it, so if you want to use both compounds then maybe that is a good route?

Check said site. It's worth it.

**dg806** · 10-17-2002, 08:38 AM

on CD's advice!!!

**Mudge** · 10-17-2002, 09:20 AM

200mg of oral 1-test didn't do much of anything for me, so I'd say that you'd have to wipe that stuff over your whole body to get any kind of results.

Cramon · 10-17-2002, 06:43 PM

Thanks for the reply's.
I did check out the site before but I thought I saw a post before that said someone had a gotten screwed getting their order.

They are out of stock right now but I'll keep chcking if you guy's think they make good stuff.
Don't you lose like 90% of the potency with the orals by passing through the liver ? I though that might be the reason for the low mg's on the crap I bought cause it's supposed to go right into the bloodstream.

**dg806** · 10-17-2002, 08:09 PM

Hey Cramon, where do you lift?

Robboe · 10-17-2002, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cramon
Thanks for the reply's.
I did check out the site before but I thought I saw a post before that said someone had a gotten screwed getting their order.

I had a problem with Yohimbine first time round, but it was resolved effortlessly and rapidly.

Quote:

They are out of stock right now but I'll keep chcking if you guy's think they make good stuff.
Don't you lose like 90% of the potency with the orals by passing through the liver ? I though that might be the reason for the low mg's on the crap I bought cause it's supposed to go right into the bloodstream.

Where did you get that number?

Albeit, transdermals have a higher bioavailability (about 40% ish transdermal depending on the company, compared to 10-15% oral) but orals can still get the job done.

Cramon · 10-17-2002, 09:41 PM

I train at Gold's at Crownpoint most of the time, but also train at Gold's by UNCC now and then...

**Mudge** · 10-18-2002, 12:26 PM

I haven't seen anything on oral breakdown for legal stuff, the illegal stuff are 17aa's, meaning there is a carbon (?) atom in the 17th position which is to keep it from being broken down by the liver, which is also why they are hard on the liver.

**dg806** · 10-18-2002, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cramon
I train at Gold's at Crownpoint most of the time, but also train at Gold's by UNCC now and then...

I train at Peak Fitness on Tryon right behind Golds. We need to get together sometime!

**dg806** · 10-18-2002, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cramon

The 1-test is 30 mg per application.
( is that low for a transdermal ?)

You should be getting about 250mg/day 1-test by transdermal. That is what Avant's is. So yes 30 is low!
I can get you super one+ from one of my buddies at a local GNC that was partners with Mike(1fast400) in a couple days. $76!
6g 1-test and 9.375g of 4-ad. This is the best route to go!

Cramon · 10-18-2002, 06:31 PM

dg806,
I'll take you up on that one + in a week or so, gotta save up some cash dude. How do you like Peak ? Been thinking about going there when my contract is up . Gold's Crownpoint went downhill fast after Rick Flair sold it . We should definatly meet up.

**dg806** · 10-20-2002, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cramon
dg806,
I'll take you up on that one + in a week or so, gotta save up some cash dude. How do you like Peak ? Been thinking about going there when my contract is up . Gold's Crownpoint went downhill fast after Rick Flair sold it . We should definatly meet up.

Just let me know and we'll hook up./ I like Peak. Bunch of good guys there. And right now if you don't mind a two year contract it's only $18/month! Of course you can pay up front too. Lots cheaper than golds!

Cramon · 10-20-2002, 01:20 PM

Yeah...big time cheaper!! I'm paying 40 friggin bucks

1Fast400 · 10-30-2002, 11:41 AM

I'm not aware of anyone having a bad transaction with me. If there is something someone needs resolved, I'll be happy to take care of it. I like to think customer service is what pushes my place the most. BTW, I graduated from UNCC.

Cramon · 10-30-2002, 08:02 PM

1fast ,

I thought I had seen a post one time on this board or maybe another, but I am not certain. I did not mean to imply anything. I asked on this board because the people who use it seem to be know what they are talking about and I have seen your products recomended many times. I hope no offence was taken. I am going to try the One+.

1Fast400 · 10-31-2002, 01:00 PM

Sure no problem. To my knowledge, I've taken care of any issues that may have come up.

Thanks,

Mike

10-16-2002, 07:21 PM	#1
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	Transdermal 1-Test & Oral 4ad ??? Will a Transdermal 1-test & oral 4-ad still give good results? The only Trans. I found that I could afford at the moment is Dermocypional TD by Global. ( which as anyone tried or heard of ?) I was planing on stacking with 4 diol 250 by AST. The 1-test is 30 mg per application. ( is that low for a transdermal ?) The 4-ad is 250 mg per capsule. Sorry to beat a dead horse on the 1-test topic but I need some advice on this one. If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-17-2002, 08:21 AM	#2
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	AST's PH products are apparently known to fall short of quoted amounts. Not knocking them, but you can find better choices, i believe. For prices, have you check www.1fast400.com ? ONE is probably the best transdermal 1-test product. The ONE+ comes with the 4-AD already in it, so if you want to use both compounds then maybe that is a good route? Check said site. It's worth it. Being held down by The Man

10-17-2002, 08:38 AM	#3
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	on CD's advice!!! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

10-17-2002, 09:20 AM	#4
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	200mg of oral 1-test didn't do much of anything for me, so I'd say that you'd have to wipe that stuff over your whole body to get any kind of results. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

10-17-2002, 06:43 PM	#5
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	Thanks for the reply's. I did check out the site before but I thought I saw a post before that said someone had a gotten screwed getting their order. They are out of stock right now but I'll keep chcking if you guy's think they make good stuff. Don't you lose like 90% of the potency with the orals by passing through the liver ? I though that might be the reason for the low mg's on the crap I bought cause it's supposed to go right into the bloodstream. If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-17-2002, 08:09 PM	#6
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Hey Cramon, where do you lift? 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

10-17-2002, 09:41 PM	#8
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	I train at Gold's at Crownpoint most of the time, but also train at Gold's by UNCC now and then... If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-18-2002, 12:26 PM	#9
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I haven't seen anything on oral breakdown for legal stuff, the illegal stuff are 17aa's, meaning there is a carbon (?) atom in the 17th position which is to keep it from being broken down by the liver, which is also why they are hard on the liver. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

10-18-2002, 06:31 PM	#12
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	dg806, I'll take you up on that one + in a week or so, gotta save up some cash dude. How do you like Peak ? Been thinking about going there when my contract is up . Gold's Crownpoint went downhill fast after Rick Flair sold it . We should definatly meet up. If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-20-2002, 01:20 PM	#14
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	Yeah...big time cheaper!! I'm paying 40 friggin bucks If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-30-2002, 11:41 AM	#15
1Fast400 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Burlington, NC 27215 Posts: 279	I'm not aware of anyone having a bad transaction with me. If there is something someone needs resolved, I'll be happy to take care of it. I like to think customer service is what pushes my place the most. BTW, I graduated from UNCC. Former owner: www.BulkNutrition.com www.1Fast400.com

10-30-2002, 08:02 PM	#16
Cramon newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 30	1fast , I thought I had seen a post one time on this board or maybe another, but I am not certain. I did not mean to imply anything. I asked on this board because the people who use it seem to be know what they are talking about and I have seen your products recomended many times. I hope no offence was taken. I am going to try the One+. If I gotta eat one more f**kin egg......

10-31-2002, 01:00 PM	#17
1Fast400 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Burlington, NC 27215 Posts: 279	Sure no problem. To my knowledge, I've taken care of any issues that may have come up. Thanks, Mike Former owner: www.BulkNutrition.com www.1Fast400.com

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