Thread: Beginner PH?

Well you haved to start somewhere. Are you over 21? Just sayin'

Yea, Im 31 and have lifted for a while. I am just looking for that little extra. I have used Methy1-D before and seen some results, just not sure if it was my mind playing tricks on me. If i take all i have mentioned, should that prevent most sides? That kinda worries me, the sides!

Originally Posted by Beebo

I am really impressed and thankful for this websites info. That being said, why do you not recommend Metha Drol for a first PH if im a beginner. Also, whatever i order, i am going to order the complete cycle of supplements recommended. The PH, Anabolic-Matrix Rx and E-Control Rx. I lift 5 days a week and was wondering if i continue with the supplements even on my days off or stop on days off. I stop all my other supplements besides protein on my days off. I am going to order one of the three and i am really leaning to Metha Drol because of the power, who wouldnt want a more powerful PH. Also, i plan on ordering "Liver Juice" to control the liver toxicity. Any feed back on that or other recommendations for my liver. Thanks ahead for the help!

Not sure of your stats or goals but either BEASTDROL or DIESELBALON would fit you depending on your goals.

Why not take supps on your day off? It is best to keep the body saturated at all time to get the full effects

I've always found Halodrol to be great starter PH.... Helladrol is the clone out now, available at Orbit Nutrition, too. I know a lot of people have questions about their first cycles so I'll post up my lil starter thing I put together

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Thanks, but why shouldn't i go to Metha Drol. If its one of the best, then what's the deal? Will it trash me or something as a first?

Originally Posted by Beebo

I am really impressed and thankful for this websites info. That being said, why do you not recommend Metha Drol for a first PH if im a beginner. Also, whatever i order, i am going to order the complete cycle of supplements recommended. The PH, Anabolic-Matrix Rx and E-Control Rx. I lift 5 days a week and was wondering if i continue with the supplements even on my days off or stop on days off. I stop all my other supplements besides protein on my days off. I am going to order one of the three and i am really leaning to Metha Drol because of the power, who wouldnt want a more powerful PH. Also, i plan on ordering "Liver Juice" to control the liver toxicity. Any feed back on that or other recommendations for my liver. Thanks ahead for the help!

Ok let's pump the brake here a minute. You want to run what is arguably the strongest PH on the market today, one that has been compared to Dbol in its mass producing abilities and your answer for liver protection and cycle support is liver juice? Let's take a step back, be realistic in that you aren't ready for that level of product as you don't even take your current supplements correctly as is. Your best bet is something mild like H-drol or Epi, I would not go with anything else as I doubt you will use adequate support supps to keep yourself from having bad sides and major issues. What about your PCT? Do you have a SERM in mind? Do you know how to dose said SERM for the compound you are taking? Why don't you tell us what you are willing to do on this cycle, what you can afford on the support supp portion, what you PCT is, then we can recommend a product and dosage. I know you think I am being a dick, which I assure you I AM NOT, just looking out for the one body that you get in this lifetime.

Here is some good news for you, Orbit put together some very good intro PH stacks that would suit your goals most likely. So list what those are and answer the questions above.

Originally Posted by oufinny

Ok let's pump the brake here a minute. You want to run what is arguably the strongest PH on the market today, one that has been compared to Dbol in its mass producing abilities and your answer for liver protection and cycle support is liver juice? Let's take a step back, be realistic in that you aren't ready for that level of product as you don't even take your current supplements correctly as is. Your best bet is something mild like H-drol or Epi, I would not go with anything else as I doubt you will use adequate support supps to keep yourself from having bad sides and major issues. What about your PCT? Do you have a SERM in mind? Do you know how to dose said SERM for the compound you are taking? Why don't you tell us what you are willing to do on this cycle, what you can afford on the support supp portion, what you PCT is, then we can recommend a product and dosage. I know you think I am being a dick, which I assure you I AM NOT, just looking out for the one body that you get in this lifetime.

Here is some good news for you, Orbit put together some very good intro PH stacks that would suit your goals most likely. So list what those are and answer the questions above.

Some solid advice. Liver juice is good for supporting your liver, but that is all it will do, you will need something to help with cholesterol and possibly blood pressure all depending on the compound you choose. Pct should be a serm and then build from there, personally I like torem and a resveratrol product, sustain alpha is the best I've found so far. How is your diet and training, I would optimize all other factors before jumping on cycle, and research, research, research. There are hundreds of ph choices, primordial performance had some good ones but I think they discontinued all their hormonals, so not sure where you would find any. Hdrol clones would be a solid initial choice, just make sure you research a good brand with lab analysis to back up their claims, lots of junk coming out lately that hasn't tested out to be what it says it is. Good luck

I definitely dont think you're being a "dick". I've asked for some help pn PCT on this forum and other's before and got the whole "effing noob, go do you own research" routine. I have no problem with research, but research alone is useless without relief life experience and advice. I lift hard five days a week, trashing each muscle group only one day a week. I eat a relatively low carb and very high protein diet, both real protein "chicken and steak" and supplemented protein "whey protein". I am very proud of my accomplishments within the last 6 months. I weighed in at 268 back in May and have busted my ass and been extremely committed and weigh in each morning now between 198-203, I have the motivationa and dedication. Unfortuntely, with the weight loss went an extreme amount of strength! I focused on cutting with my diet and cardio and now i am trying to build back up with lean muscle mass. I would love to cut some more at the same time as bulking too. I feel like i have a descent build and genes for my goals. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. I have done my research, just not sure of "serms" due to my career choice. I have read more articles on this PH and that PCT and every time i get scared away due to sides, but then no one seems to be willing to really give a "noob" some real life experience and advice. Your advice will not fall on empty ears!

I would suggest getting in to some light reading before making a decision such as this. The stickies on this board (Anabolics Section,) Anabolic Pharmacology, ebooks (some of which are available at IronMag.) Yes, your liver is important but it's only a piece of the puzzle for proper on cycle and post cycle support. I don't believe this to be a casual decision for anyone to make.

Yes i appreciate the info too...

Oh yea, money is somewhat of a factor, but not really when you are talking about severe sides and permanent damage. I am looking for a little help in getting back. I currently consume about 200 grams of protein a day, take jack3d for pre-wookout and take creatine ethyl ester on lift days, oh yea, my daily vitamin too. I am more than willing to do this right. I not looking to be a permanent PH'er just trying to get back what i had. If that makes any sense. Thanks!

From your last two posts it sounds like you would benefit from putting more carbs back into your diet. Are you counting calories? How much are you currently eating?

Originally Posted by SilentBob187

I would suggest getting in to some light reading before making a decision such as this. The stickies on this board (Anabolics Section,) Anabolic Pharmacology, ebooks (some of which are available at IronMag.) Yes, your liver is important but it's only a piece of the puzzle for proper on cycle and post cycle support. I don't believe this to be a casual decision for anyone to make.

This man speaks the truth. Part of the issue here is there is no right answer, no one solution that is right for someone just starting out. I ran AndroHard as my first steroid/ph and it went very well less the acne it gave me; that requires a very easy to put together OTC PCT (why I did it). Compounds to consider are: Epistane, Halodrol (Turinabol) and DMZ (dymethazine). I would avoid any wet compounds, don't even consider Tren as an option, and pick a PCT product based on the compound you choose. Also, if you go with Clomid, you don't need 150 mg of it to recover, think more like 50 mgs for 4 weeks (flame on, I too did my research and clomid is always overdosed). Seriously, there are some good stacks on Orbit Nutrition that have 80% of the thinking taken care of for you, go look there and see if one catches your eye.

I too am looking to start my first PH cycle within a month or two. I've looked at Hella on orbit but the damn warnings are scary lol. I'm trying to find a proper pct for it and something to help the main vein stay alive too. Any suggestions I listen and have been reading alot for over a year on this forum when i found some left over 1 ad and you guys told me to just lift for a while.

Originally Posted by big1day

I too am looking to start my first PH cycle within a month or two. I've looked at Hella on orbit but the damn warnings are scary lol. I'm trying to find a proper pct for it and something to help the main vein stay alive too. Any suggestions I listen and have been reading alot for over a year on this forum when i found some left over 1 ad and you guys told me to just lift for a while.

The stacks at Orbit are complete, all you need is a SERM. We can help recommend a few places just make sure to ask over PM.

big1day, SERM is all you need, the only other thing I add to pct is resveratrol at week 3 and run it for 4 weeks total, helps if I'm having libido issues and really brings the boys back when used as an adjunct to a SERM.

Ok i think i've been reading alot and not posting lol i must increase my post count to 20.

Okay, here's what i think im gonna go with. Beastdrol for my PH with Purus Labs cycle support while on my 4 week PH cycle, then PES Erase and Omega Sports T-force for my PCT. Does that sound better than my original idea? I really am trying to do this right.

Originally Posted by Beebo

I am really impressed and thankful for this websites info. That being said, why do you not recommend Metha Drol for a first PH if im a beginner. Also, whatever i order, i am going to order the complete cycle of supplements recommended. The PH, Anabolic-Matrix Rx and E-Control Rx. I lift 5 days a week and was wondering if i continue with the supplements even on my days off or stop on days off. I stop all my other supplements besides protein on my days off. I am going to order one of the three and i am really leaning to Metha Drol because of the power, who wouldnt want a more powerful PH. Also, i plan on ordering "Liver Juice" to control the liver toxicity. Any feed back on that or other recommendations for my liver. Thanks ahead for the help!

1-Andro Rx is a great beginner PH, it's mild, not liver toxic, and yields nice gains.

Can I get a SERM for beebo, amen brothers and sisters can I get a SERM, thats right a SERM, save your hpta can I get a SERM, thank you Jesus.

Originally Posted by Prince

1-Andro Rx is a great beginner PH, it's mild, not liver toxic, and yields nice gains.

My only problem with the 1 andro was you needed 3 bottles to get in 1 cycle
is this the PCT?

E-Control Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - (2 caps daily with food)

H-Drol or Epi

Originally Posted by bmlax222

H-Drol or Epi

These are my choices as well, each has its own benefits.

Originally Posted by bmlax222

H-Drol or Epi

Two solid choices, but I gotta say that Androhard and dermacrine are very unique in that they are possibly the most mild phs on the market. They'll also boost your libido and increase, respectively, DHT and testosterone. Don't know who carries them atm, though.

Originally Posted by big1day

My only problem with the 1 andro was you needed 3 bottles to get in 1 cycle
is this the PCT?

E-Control Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - (2 caps daily with food)

I can attest to 1-Andro Rx being a great beginner product. I used it a year ago and was cutting (eating at slight defecit, yet gaining strength!!) and it worked great. Used it with Anabolic Matrix and Restore (IronMagLabs cycle support/post cycle wasn't out then). Not to sound like a dick, but we're talking about your health aswell as what you look like in the mirror, if buying 3 bottles or 3 products is stretching you thin financially, don't rush it and choose something potentially dangerous or not effective. Just wait a bit and save up some extra cash dude, you'll be glad you did

Originally Posted by Beebo

why do you not recommend Metha Drol for a first PH if im a beginner..

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