haha, you are right, silly me for not posting them! the msm i screwed up, it was glucosamine. The two I read mentioned that:
Large-scale, methodologically sound trials indicate that the symptomatic benefit of chondroitin is minimal or nonexistent. Use of chondroitin in routine clinical practice should therefore be discouraged. (Reichenbach S, and others. Meta-analysis: chondroitin for osteoarthritis of the knee or hip. Annals of Internal Medicine 146:580-590, 2007.)
and another publication reported that
The GH/CS [glucosamine hydrochloride and chondroitin sulfate] group was not superior to the placebo group in function, pain, or mobility after both phases of the intervention (pill only and pill plus exercise). (Messier SP and others. Glucosamine/chondroitin combined with exercise for the treatment of knee osteoarthritis: a preliminary study. Osteoarthritis Cartilage 15:1256-1266, 2007.)
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