Thread: Good stack for fat loss and increased strength

I suppose I havent done enough reading. It looks like there's some good choices already planned out on orbital's site. I'm still open to suggestions. I have a few days at least before I take the plunge.

-Obelisk

What are your stats? (age/weight/BF%/training history)

I can't make a suggestion without this info...

without info, the best otc fat loss agent for me has been clenvis, ahhhh but now its not totally over the counter

diet and exercise, all the burners dont work bud....fasted cardio, shorten rest periods between sets, cardio post workout, cut carbs, and so on

4 months steady weights with moderate cardio, slight calorie deficit, healthy diet, 31 years old, note sure on BF% but I think somewhere in the 17-20% category. I currently weigh 233lbs down from 245 6 weeks ago (when I really started getting serious about dieting) and am looking to get below 205 while cutting over the next 5-6 months or so. I've been eyeing something like 1-Andro Rx since I'm somewhat new to PH and the like it seems relatively safe for a newbie.

Edit: My goal is to lean and cut before I try and gain any bulk. I'm sure I can meet my goals without any PH but I'd like all the help I can get to accelerate the process while getting stronger.

I think you should keep dieting. You don't need to throw any extra hormones in there. I can tell you from personal experience that losing any significant amount of weight will throw your hormone levels out of whack. You're playing with fire trying to throw AAS in there. I would strongly recommend you reconsider. If you want to add something then start taking ephedra in an EC(A) stack.

Obelisk, some stats please: Age, years training, your fat level, weight, lean body mass weight?

He posted that already. Check the post above mine.

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Originally Posted by Life

I think you should keep dieting. You don't need to throw any extra hormones in there. I can tell you from personal experience that losing any significant amount of weight will throw your hormone levels out of whack. You're playing with fire trying to throw AAS in there. I would strongly recommend you reconsider. If you want to add something then start taking ephedra in an EC(A) stack.

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I would wait to add PH's until your BF% is around 12% or so. ECA stack works great...combined with a solid diet it will lean you out.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll look at some of the products recommended.

Originally Posted by GMO

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I would wait to add PH's until your BF% is around 12% or so. ECA stack works great...combined with a solid diet it will lean you out.

I would give it even longer than that. Give it six months after reaching 12% body fat. Guys that haven't lost a lot of weight don't really know how bad the hormonal changes are. I went from ~295 to 185. I literally was a different person and I didn't know that person.. This is assuming of course he is at 20% bodyfat @ ~235

Originally Posted by Life

I think you should keep dieting. You don't need to throw any extra hormones in there. I can tell you from personal experience that losing any significant amount of weight will throw your hormone levels out of whack. You're playing with fire trying to throw AAS in there. I would strongly recommend you reconsider. If you want to add something then start taking ephedra in an EC(A) stack.

I also very much support this advice. You are dozens of squats, deadlifts, and bench presses as well as months of dieting away from necessitating any sort of hormone supplementation in order to progress.

You have plenty of room for unassisted development.

Stick with a non-ridiculous diet and training protocol and you'll be fine.


Just to nitpick: the "E" in ECA is ephedrine, not ephedra. You can find it in Bronkaid or Primatene tablets that are found OTC at any drug store.

I'm not a fan of the "A" portion (aspirin), but the ephedrine and caffeine may help with managing your appetite a bit. You can start at about 20mg ephedrine and 200mg of caffeine every day and each week add in another 20mg of E and 200mg of C until you reach up to about 80mg of ephedrine (most people recommend 75mg but I couldn't imagine scraping away 5mg) and about 1000mg of caffeine.

You'll know when you are approaching your upper limit -- I wouldn't recommend pushing it too hard.

Originally Posted by Marat

I'm not a fan of the "A" portion (aspirin), but the ephedrine and caffeine may help with managing your appetite a bit.

Me either :P Thus the (A)

Here are some great stacks that may assist you in reaching your goals. Stay away from PHs right now, you're far from reaching your maximum potential naturally. I think you will like some of these suggestions and it will possibly speed up fat loss and possibly add strength.

Stacks :: Ultimate Fat Loss Stack (1 eviscerate smolder + 1 Heat Stack + 1 DCP) - (The ultimate)

Stacks :: PES Erase Genomyx HEAT Stack (1+1) -
(This will add some strength with the Erase)

The hardcore stack (alphaT2 + Erase)

Discount PES Shift Genomyx DCP
(Excellent non-stim)

I just want to say I really appreciate the advice everyone is giving. I'd probably have myself all kinds of messed up from the sounds of it had I started and not asked for advice before hand.



-Obelisk

Keep training hard and eating clean and you've got the basics covered. If your looking to add supplements geared towards fat loss and increased strength id go with creatine to start. For fat loss id follow djm's advice- fasted cardio, decreased rest times between reps and so on. Bcaa's help while on a calorie restricted diet help too.

Clean up your diet. No wonder drugs needed. Might want to consider ketogenic dieting.