Thread: Andromass as a test-base for ph cycles

i went to promordial website and was looking at andromass. If you go under stacker program and run it, it shows you to the right of the page, the effect of the product or stack on various things. running an andromass "stack" (with its supporting products) gave a rating of 9-10 out of 10 for mucle and libido....

the question about test base gets me wondering too since I "presume" that anything that increases test ought to work and not just andro.... plus, from the writings, it appears it is more of a test antagonist to some degree. But I guess it is probably a more conservative approach than just using straight up test since it does have to get metabolized and then converted and your body will probably have a limit or ceiling,(??)...

Also, the idea of running it with less per day and stretching it out, is there a "threashhold" amount required to activate this pathway properly?

the supplementary question I would have is, can this type of product be stacked? But without beta logs and tests, that answer is just going to be theoretical... (for now)

What would happen if you used the andromass like you mentioned at 2 pills per day for 10-12 weeks by itself, would you notice any positive benefits? For example, can you make the assumption that it could be equivalent to using a low dose trt for that time frame?

Obviously you won't get the purported muscle building effects of the standard dose, but would you notice anything, ie. Sense of well being, better sleep, just an overall better feeling?

Originally Posted by Stewart14

What would happen if you used the andromass like you mentioned at 2 pills per day for 10-12 weeks by itself, would you notice any positive benefits? For example, can you make the assumption that it could be equivalent to using a low dose trt for that time frame?

Obviously you won't get the purported muscle building effects of the standard dose, but would you notice anything, ie. Sense of well being, better sleep, just an overall better feeling?

Low dose TRT possibly, like you stated at that low a dose you would mostly notice better sleep, recovery etc. Of course this would depend if you have low T-levels to begin with.

Originally Posted by carmineb

i went to promordial website and was looking at andromass. If you go under stacker program and run it, it shows you to the right of the page, the effect of the product or stack on various things. running an andromass "stack" (with its supporting products) gave a rating of 9-10 out of 10 for mucle and libido....

the question about test base gets me wondering too since I "presume" that anything that increases test ought to work and not just andro.... plus, from the writings, it appears it is more of a test antagonist to some degree. But I guess it is probably a more conservative approach than just using straight up test since it does have to get metabolized and then converted and your body will probably have a limit or ceiling,(??)...

Also, the idea of running it with less per day and stretching it out, is there a "threashhold" amount required to activate this pathway properly?

the supplementary question I would have is, can this type of product be stacked? But without beta logs and tests, that answer is just going to be theoretical... (for now)

Logs will start soon for AM...for now AH and AL logs have started on a lot of boards.

Originally Posted by carmineb

i went to promordial website and was looking at andromass. If you go under stacker program and run it, it shows you to the right of the page, the effect of the product or stack on various things. running an andromass "stack" (with its supporting products) gave a rating of 9-10 out of 10 for mucle and libido....

the question about test base gets me wondering too since I "presume" that anything that increases test ought to work and not just andro.... plus, from the writings, it appears it is more of a test antagonist to some degree. But I guess it is probably a more conservative approach than just using straight up test since it does have to get metabolized and then converted and your body will probably have a limit or ceiling,(??)...

Also, the idea of running it with less per day and stretching it out, is there a "threashhold" amount required to activate this pathway properly?

the supplementary question I would have is, can this type of product be stacked? But without beta logs and tests, that answer is just going to be theoretical... (for now)

There shouldn't be a threshold. The test base would be to mitigate lethargy and loss of libido that most guys see on prohormone/designer steroid cycles.

It can stacked for sure, but logs will be out just after they are shipped. Keep an eye out brother.

bigblackguy, lol.. i am dumb, I just noticed u are a promordial rep.

Originally Posted by Stewart14

What would happen if you used the andromass like you mentioned at 2 pills per day for 10-12 weeks by itself, would you notice any positive benefits? For example, can you make the assumption that it could be equivalent to using a low dose trt for that time frame?

Obviously you won't get the purported muscle building effects of the standard dose, but would you notice anything, ie. Sense of well being, better sleep, just an overall better feeling?

You would be basically taking a low TRT with 2 softgels of MASS per day -- which really wouldn't have any benefit unless you are extremely hypogonadal (low test) to begin with.

-Eric

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

There shouldn't be a threshold. The test base would be to mitigate lethargy and loss of libido that most guys see on prohormone/designer steroid cycles.

It can stacked for sure, but logs will be out just after they are shipped. Keep an eye out brother.

so could it, say be stacked with a DMZ product??? or wold it essencially be using the same pathways in the end>

For someone who is using Dermacrine as a base for a PH cycle, I can see the benefits but if you are using something like DMZ/Super/Epi/Tren I don't care what you take, libido and shutdown is inevitable. HCG is the only thing that will keep your boys working right and no amount of Andromass or Dermacrine will solve that problem. One last thing, you will get lethargy on DMZ if you dose at 30 mg or higher, don't think you won't, the same thing goes to Superdrol.

Originally Posted by oufinny

For someone who is using Dermacrine as a base for a PH cycle, I can see the benefits but if you are using something like DMZ/Super/Epi/Tren I don't care what you take, libido and shutdown is inevitable. HCG is the only thing that will keep your boys working right and no amount of Andromass or Dermacrine will solve that problem. One last thing, you will get lethargy on DMZ if you dose at 30 mg or higher, don't think you won't, the same thing goes to Superdrol.

Yah I didn't say it would prevent shutdown or anything like that. It certainly won't. But I've used the old androhard and dermacrine on cycle and helped out with lethargy and libido a ton. Night and day compared to not running them, tbh.

Originally Posted by carmineb

so could it, say be stacked with a DMZ product??? or wold it essencially be using the same pathways in the end>

I would use dmz at the last 2 weeks of a cycle and dose no more than 10mgs a day.

Originally Posted by carmineb

so could it, say be stacked with a DMZ product??? or wold it essencially be using the same pathways in the end>

Certainly can be stacked, that is one of the great things with the AndroSeries they are very versatile. Not too mention they will increase effects of the oral, in your case DMZ.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Yah I didn't say it would prevent shutdown or anything like that. It certainly won't. But I've used the old androhard and dermacrine on cycle and helped out with lethargy and libido a ton. Night and day compared to not running them, tbh.

I agree that they help, Dermacrine has made a big difference for me. I have only ran AndroHard on its own but I could see it helping a ton. All I am saying is that I don't want people to think they can run some crazy suppressive cycle and just throw Andromass with it and will be fine (like some oral tren or superdrol). And for the OP asking about DMZ, just having a grapefruit a day with my DMZ made it VERY potent so respect it if you take it with Andromass, start at 10, 20 may be all you can take without bad sides. Don't go past 30, I found out the hard way it is not worth the pain you will go through. And by pain, I mean nasty sides and just a general feeling like you would rather die than be on it anymore.

Originally Posted by oufinny

I agree that they help, Dermacrine has made a big difference for me. I have only ran AndroHard on its own but I could see it helping a ton. All I am saying is that I don't want people to think they can run some crazy suppressive cycle and just throw Andromass with it and will be fine (like some oral tren or superdrol). And for the OP asking about DMZ, just having a grapefruit a day with my DMZ made it VERY potent so respect it if you take it with Andromass, start at 10, 20 may be all you can take without bad sides. Don't go past 30, I found out the hard way it is not worth the pain you will go through. And by pain, I mean nasty sides and just a general feeling like you would rather die than be on it anymore.

This is a good point, remember that the effects of the delivery system in Andro products can be piggybacked by other compounds, so dosages should be planned accordingly.

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

This is a good point, remember that the effects of the delivery system in Andro products can be piggybacked by other compounds, so dosages should be planned accordingly.

Yah... never go above 5mg of superdrol LOL

Originally Posted by oufinny

I agree that they help, Dermacrine has made a big difference for me. I have only ran AndroHard on its own but I could see it helping a ton. All I am saying is that I don't want people to think they can run some crazy suppressive cycle and just throw Andromass with it and will be fine (like some oral tren or superdrol). And for the OP asking about DMZ, just having a grapefruit a day with my DMZ made it VERY potent so respect it if you take it with Andromass, start at 10, 20 may be all you can take without bad sides. Don't go past 30, I found out the hard way it is not worth the pain you will go through. And by pain, I mean nasty sides and just a general feeling like you would rather die than be on it anymore.

I was able to use 4 mgs of boladrol with grapefruit juice and had WAY better results than with 8mg of boladrol. Take that for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

I was able to use 4 mgs of boladrol with grapefruit juice and had WAY better results than with 8mg of boladrol. Take that for what it's worth.

Interesting, I liked bola myself...

Originally Posted by ryansm

Interesting, I liked bola myself...

True, but you were using the beta-tester batch. Just sayin'...

So do we have any dedicated loggers here at Ironmag?

Originally Posted by Good Grip

So do we have any dedicated loggers here at Ironmag?

Couple guys we are working with. If someone else is interested, send us a PM, we will see what we can work out.

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Couple guys we are working with. If someone else is interested, send us a PM, we will see what we can work out.

for what it is worth, I will be logging, (very camera shy over this) the andromass cycle I will start in 3 weeks....

is that what is being asked here?

Originally Posted by carmineb

for what it is worth, I will be logging, (very camera shy over this) the andromass cycle I will start in 3 weeks....

is that what is being asked here?

Yes, and thank you for doing this!

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

True, but you were using the beta-tester batch. Just sayin'...

Indeed...stuff tasted like ass

Originally Posted by oufinny

I agree that they help, Dermacrine has made a big difference for me. I have only ran AndroHard on its own but I could see it helping a ton. All I am saying is that I don't want people to think they can run some crazy suppressive cycle and just throw Andromass with it and will be fine (like some oral tren or superdrol). And for the OP asking about DMZ, just having a grapefruit a day with my DMZ made it VERY potent so respect it if you take it with Andromass, start at 10, 20 may be all you can take without bad sides. Don't go past 30, I found out the hard way it is not worth the pain you will go through. And by pain, I mean nasty sides and just a general feeling like you would rather die than be on it anymore.

mmm me thinks androhard with some blue hearts......and test of course!

Originally Posted by djm6464

mmm me thinks androhard with some blue hearts......and test of course!

Methyltrienolone anyone?! huahaha

Androhard and dianabol would be a nice stack come to think about it. Insane strength gains.

Originally Posted by carmineb

for what it is worth, I will be logging, (very camera shy over this) the andromass cycle I will start in 3 weeks....

is that what is being asked here?

Very excited to follow along my man!

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Very excited to follow along my man!

Indeed, looking forward to Carmine's log.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Androhard and dianabol would be a nice stack come to think about it. Insane strength gains.

Yeah that would be nice ad the Hard should combat the common bloat.