Lit Up or Mesomorph for stim-based
Premax for non-stim
If I go the stim route, I add 15g of MAP to it.

I keep cycling between Jack'd, SuperPUmp and Dymatize Xpand. I have also tried Assault and Thai Lunacy (probably my fave, but one of the costliest.)
Lit Up or Mesomorph for stim-based
Premax for non-stim
If I go the stim route, I add 15g of MAP to it.
M. Ed. Ex Physiology

they got this new stuff c4 thats out thats pretty good... usually its noxlpode and jacked for me


Diet mountain dew for me.
Premax non stim is hands down the best Pre-workout ive ever tried bar none. the 4.5g of GPLC in it beats any stims imo.

i like superpump max the best bar none.the fruit punch taste like kool aide.i do not like mesomorph at all and i paid a lot for it and i have a full botle now i can not use i feel like i am on crack it is way way to strongh for me.i wasted 40 bucks.i can get sp max for like 14 bucks stupid choose by me.

Controlled Labs White Flood. Had a coupon for Assault, so I am getting ready to give that a try just to switch it up. Some people will say pre-workout sups are garbage, but when you are 40 years old, work all day and are raising a teenage girl, you just need a little pick me up before the gym sometimes![]()

Mesomorph is my personal fav for the stim quality and high dose of beta alanine, however, you guys have peaked my interest about this non-stim pre-workout business.
HEMO RAGE UC gives you tunnel vision! LOL But seriously its awesome

Jack3d is hands down one of my favorite pwo products....I recently started stacking it with Yok3d, total energy burst and I can really tell a difference in the quality of my workouts. Plus the overall buzz is great![]()
really? damn i thought it was a pile of crap
white flood is alright when taken at like 3 scoops pre and 2 scoops intra bit other than that i don't think it adds anything.
DARK RAGE!!!!!!!! now that is some jacked up shit!! if anyone doesn't think its the dogs bollocks they have issues! hell it makes some of my gym bros vomit just from the stims and shit in a half serving !!
but seriously just try it you'll never look back, no way no how
"That ain't big to me, when y'all 300lbs y'all big!"- Dexter Jackson
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Not sure if I want to be throwing up solely from the stim effects, but I'm curious to give Dark Rage a look-see.

i use jack3d and love it.
Meso is very good, I am having some very high quality workouts on it, definitely something to consider as it is a true 1 scoop pre-workout.
Edit - The stim complex in it is the best that has both caffeine and 1,3 dimethyl in it. Nothing so far less Meso has given no crash and no libido loss like this does. 1,3 normally kills my libido, whatever is in Meso makes that a non-issue which I believe is a huge selling point.
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nothing on the planet compared to eca pre workout
1mr..jacked3d..or c4 all good though
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you have never spent the night with a mosquito."
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my favorite is "the Real Deal" you can only get it off their website. just read the label, they dont hide behind a proprietary blend and tell you the amount of every ingredient. its basic and get the job done without a bunch of hype

That's true to an extent, if we're talking strictly stim effects, but ECA alone doesn't have an effect of your lactate threshold or ATP production, which is only achieved with beta alanine and creatine, also, ECA is so high in stim intensity that it tends to wear on the adrenals much sooner, raise cortisol much sooner, which ultimatly leads to lowered testosterone, as cortisol and test have an inverse relationship. If putting on more muscle is a concern, ECA is a good way to sabatoge that, but if cutting sheer "weight" is your prime concern, then yeah, ECA is king.
When I need to break a strength PR, I go with Jack3d. If I am looking for cell volumization, I stick with good ol creatine monohydrate and controlled labs glycergrow.

I like C4 and the Jack3d, i mix a scoop of each into a bottle and add some BCAA. Works really good for me. mxing the orange C4 and the lemon lime jack3d actually taste pretty damn good.
I used to take NOXplode, but lately, i have switched to 200mg caffeine and loving it.
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new animal rage by universal is good