Thread: Andro lean/Hard 4 week blast

Good luck, I'll be following along.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Good luck, I'll be following along.

Awesome!

I will be trying to keep daily posts here.


I'll upload b4 and after pics after the 4 weeks as well

6/13/2011

Food intake:

900g chicken breast
400g pork tenderloin
120ml coconut milk
1 cup broccoli
1 cup cooked cabbage
1/2 sweet potato

Protein: 320g Carbs: 30g Fat 60g

Kinda low on the fat today but I felt like I didn't need it. Day 1 so I'm coming off of a slight "high" in calorie intake.

Workout was actually day 1 of the UD2, Doing upper lower split. My workout buddy actually wants to do the UD2 so i'm going to help him with it and I figure I cant go wrong doing the UD2 either. I like the change up.

bench press 6sets, 1min sets X 195lbs
Bent over row 6 sets, 1 min sets X 115lbs (hold at the top for 2s)
upright rows SS, wide, mid, narrow 4 sets 12reps 65lbs (36 reps in total)
Pull ups 6 sets to failure (12,10,9,9,5,3)

Mean workout. Tomorrow i'm going to have to step it up! Pulled my lower back about 2 days ago but I am going to work around this squats will be rough.... but with the lighter weight i'm hoping I can handle it.

Weight 195 (No change)



Notes: After taking the pills I haven't experience any of those grapefruit burps. could be just placebo or just that i'm switching from a strength based 5X5 to a volume/pump style training but I had MEAN pumps today.
I haven't really noticed any "heat" yet.

I hope I don't lose too much hair from this cycle.... haha

One more note: I slept REALLY well last night. First day of cycle and I slept like a baby.

My nightly piss was also so foggy... felt like I was still sleeping !!

also, i just started my cycle so I was wondering the benefits/cons of taking this for 6 weeks?
By either lowering the dosing to 2 of each per day, or by adding in another bottle of each?

And how would this affect my PCT?

I think running this 6 weeks would be better because I have my mom visiting in 4 weeks and the TRS transdermal won't look as suspicious as me just popped 4 pills twice aday. Specially since I can just tell her it's fish oil hhaha.

Originally Posted by mattrag

also, i just started my cycle so I was wondering the benefits/cons of taking this for 6 weeks?
By either lowering the dosing to 2 of each per day, or by adding in another bottle of each?

And how would this affect my PCT?

I think running this 6 weeks would be better because I have my mom visiting in 4 weeks and the TRS transdermal won't look as suspicious as me just popped 4 pills twice aday. Specially since I can just tell her it's fish oil hhaha.

6 weeks equals more gains and the more gains you have the more you'll keep after its all over. Add Tcf-1 if you havent already and your pct will be adequate.

Originally Posted by Good Grip

6 weeks equals more gains and the more gains you have the more you'll keep after its all over. Add Tcf-1 if you havent already and your pct will be adequate.

But if it's fatloss then would i benefit from less time dieting?

6/14/2011


Food intake:

1kg chicken breast
200g pork tenderloin
100g Kim chee
4 cups lettuce
120ml Coconut milk

Protein: 287g Fat: 48g Carbs: 10g

A little low on the protein today but I was feeling REALLY full. Odd for me, could be appetite suppressant from lean? I donno, I always thought being on anabolics make you hungrier.

Workout:

Single leg ext: 8X20 70lbs (1min sets)
Lying leg curls: 4X20 35lbs

Barbell curls: 6X20 65lbs
Band tricep push down: 6X20 (hold contraction at bottom)

Obliques 4X20 35lbs





Notes:

Aggression: Not really noticeable, but confidence is up at most times.

Libido:No change here yet, confidence is notable though. I'm married so I can't really let my mind wander too far... lol

Strength:Strength is not that noticeable. Definitely feeling the fatigue resistance.

Pumps: GREAT! This is where I notice it the most, I have VERY little carbs running in me and I still get mean pumps. I'm happy about this!

Mood: Mood is pretty much the same, the want to get up and go though is being more and more profound. I have a desk job (well teacher and I rarely stand to teach) and I have more drive to run around and get more 'active'

Sleep: yesterday I was super groggy when I had my night time pee. Today, if I went to pee I don't remember haha. Might have been the first full night of rest in years.

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. First week still so if it starts going now for sure this stuff is poison to the hairline, well mine anyway. Noticed my vitiligo on my neck starting to pop up again. I found that this is due to a gluten intolerance. Started popping up in february and I read on auto immune stuff and eliminated all flours, wheats etc. and it went away, but it's starting to come back. I'm hoping it's nothing, and perhaps just related to a missed gluten ingestion... I hope.

Overall: I am liking this, already ppl say i'm looking leaner. could be just the aura I have now being on assistance lol. Either or is welcome

Wow day 3 and i'm feeling really lethargic~ No appetite either...

Originally Posted by mattrag

But if it's fatloss then would i benefit from less time dieting?

Mmm you could be taking advantage of the time that your body is in a higher than normal anabolic state, so staying on longer would yeild more results vs being on cycle for less amount of time. Its up to you though.

Originally Posted by mattrag

Wow day 3 and i'm feeling really lethargic~ No appetite either...

A few guys do report this. some say it goes away after awhile and hopefully this happens for you too.

6/15/2011


Food intake:

700g chicken breast
400g pork tenderloin
100g Kim chee
4 cups lettuce
120ml Coconut milk

Protein: 248g Fat: 49g Carbs: 12g

Protein is lower than I’d like. Didn’t have time to eat… practicing for a charity concert, and work piling up. Oh well, keep trucking!

Workout: (pretty much a final depletion workout)

Single leg ext: 8X20 70lbs (1min sets)
Lying leg curls: 4X20 35lbs

Barbell curls: 6X20 65lbs
Band tricep push down: 6X20 (hold contraction at bottom)

Obliques 4X20 35lbs

Decline Bench Press 4X20 (155lbs)
Bent Over rows 4X15 (155lbs)


Notes:

Aggression: Oddly, this has somewhat leveled off. I seem much calmer now. Confidence is there. I just feel, good, not arrogant but good.

Libido: Up, not UP UP. But I notice it. Also, I added 3g DAA to help with LH. Hear that on cycle it can help prevent shut down. I’ll be running 3g/day every day through PCT to see how it goes. I’ve used DAA a lot in the past so I will see how good it helps with shutdown this time.

Strength: Could be because of the UD2 I’m doing but the workout, this morning anyway made me nauseated for the whole workout and about 3hrs after.

Pumps: Amazingly, through my workout I still got pumped lol.

Mood: Calm, at ease, happy. I like this feeling lol.
Sleep: Sleep WOULD have been a full night of rest… but my IBS acted up and I had a horrible night….

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Muscles feel fuller though I can’t really pump them up. Noticeably flatter but still feeling full…? Haha I donno, like I said the super low carb deal I’m doing now is really smashing the pumps. Today I will have a carb load and I hope it will assist in allowing me to hold my pumps this weekend. One more thing, I always notice the 'cold hands' during diets, but this time my hands are never cold.

Overall: So far so good, sleeps good, stress levels are lowered, feel better. I am gonna say it’s working thus far. Nothing Amazing though.

Appetite: Oddly i'm not hungry at all...

It's hard to say if it's the UD2 or the stack that's having the effects on your appetite, but, either way, your calories are quite low.

Originally Posted by Rodja

It's hard to say if it's the UD2 or the stack that's having the effects on your appetite, but, either way, your calories are quite low.

Yea it's hard for me to eat for some reason.... Usually I have no problem eating 300g of protein from just chicken breast... But usually it's with other things, more fats, or more carbs. All I know is all that protein by itself is running through me. Like literally... meat in, meat out. My fats are probably a bit too low. Specially since i'm around 195lbs.... at around 13% bf. But my usual diet is around 250-300g protein, 120-150g fat, and around 100g carbs. so basically i just dropped off the fat, and took out post workout carbs. And I went from reasonably good appetite to no food = okay. Either way... dieting so it's okay I hope..specially with Androlean and Hard in me.

6/16/2011


Food intake: (pre carb load)

500g chicken breast
2 cups lettuce

Protein: 110 Fat: 7g Carbs: 4g

Food intake: (next 30hrs)
600g chicken breast (132g P)
2 cups raw measure rice (200g C)
1kg boiled potatoes (170g C)
300g sweet potatoes (40g C)
6 bananas (130g C)
Protein: 132g Carbs 540g fat 30g
(I have dinner, plus another meal… I have to stuff in around 560g more carbs to hit my low end 1100g carb refeed. At least my appetite has returned)


Workout: (tension)

Bench Press: 205 (12),225 (8) SS: EZ curl: 70lbs
Bent over row: 205 (12)X2 SS: SLDL 205(10),(8)
Standing military: 85 (15), 105 (12) SS: Bent over rear delt raises 15(15) X2
Skull crushers: 55(15)X2
Squat: 225(8)X2 SS: Single leg BW calf raises
BW lunges
Rack pulls 265 (8)X2 SS Shrugs 265 (16)x2
Workout time: 1hr 15 minutes
Workout Notes: HOLY BALLS, this was the greatest workout ever. Had a banana and 10g bcaa pre workout (no whey for me as I can’t handle protein powders). And I was BACK! Felt strong, sweated sooo much. But still had loads of drive and energy to continue on.

Notes:

Aggression: Oddly, this has somewhat leveled off. I seem much calmer now. Confidence is there. I just feel, good, not arrogant but good. (unchanged)

Libido: Up, not UP UP. But I notice it. Also, I added 3g DAA to help with LH. Hear that on cycle it can help prevent shut down. I’ll be running 3g/day every day through PCT to see how it goes. I’ve used DAA a lot in the past so I will see how good it helps with shutdown this time. (Unchanged)

Strength: maybe it was the banana, or maybe it was this stuff kicking in, but I was STRONG. For being pretty much under nourished for 3 days, and having 3 grueling depletion workouts, I honestly went into today thinking “Man… I wonder if I can even lift the projected weights?” But I killed it! KILLED IT!

Pumps: the pumps were great, kinda a fast workout, but the blood was responsive. I did legs last, and quickly after the first warm up set of 15 reps I did on squats my legs filled up. Definitely attributing this to AndroHard. Usually I can’t keep pumps going for long if I switch up bodyparts mid workout (well very well), but I stayed full from chest to calf

Mood: Calm, at ease, happy. I like this feeling lol. (unchanged)
Sleep: Oh man… slept at 2am… had practice for my concert on Saturday. Slept pretty soundly though, kinda tired but not that bad. Should definitely get more sleep though.

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Muscles feel fuller though I can’t really pump them up. Noticeably flatter but still feeling full…? Haha I donno, like I said the super low carb deal I’m doing now is really smashing the pumps. Today I will have a carb load and I hope it will assist in allowing me to hold my pumps this weekend. One more thing, I always notice the 'cold hands' during diets, but this time my hands are never cold. (unchanged)

Overall: Today was good Androlean made me heat up WAY more, androhard helped keep me pumped and strong throughout the workout. It was a good day today. Now on to eating…

Appetite: After I took in the banana, and started to workout about mid way through the workout I got hungry! So eating the insane amounts of carbs isn’t a problem. It seems. Though I try to eat paleo (something I don’t really attribute to the time we eat it, just that this diet’s food choices seem keep me the happiest) it’s very hard to get in 1100g carbs purely from potatoes and plantains, so I have eaten some rice… and noticing their side effects… mainly joint and dry skin… sigh..

it’s very hard to get in 1100g carbs purely from potatoes and plantains

Agreed... plantains make it easier, just need to wait for them to get very ripe.

6/18/2011


Food intake: (Maint cals)

1.5kgs Beef
800g cooked rice
200g boiled sweet potato

350g P, 400g C, 100g Fat





Workout: (Power)*

(PR) Bench Press: 255 (5),255 (5) *
Bent over row: 255 (5)X2 SS: SLDL 255(5),(5)
(PR) Standing military: 135 (6), 155 (4) SS: EZ Curls 90 (5)X2
Close grip bench 135 (10), 205 (5)
(PR) Squat: 255(5)X2 SS: Single leg BW calf raises

Rack pulls 275 (5)X2 SS Shrugs 275 (10)x2

(PR) DeadLift: 315X1
Workout time: 1hr 30 minutes*

Workout Notes: MAN, P.R.s across the board. And finally I'm able to Deadlift all the weight in my house lol.

Notes:*

Aggression: Oddly, this has somewhat leveled off. I seem much calmer now. Confidence is there. I just feel, good, not arrogant but good. (unchanged)*

Libido: Up, not UP UP. But I notice it. Also, I added 3g DAA to help with LH. Hear that on cycle it can help prevent shut down. I’ll be running 3g/day every day through PCT to see how it goes. I’ve used DAA a lot in the past so I will see how good it helps with shutdown this time. (Unchanged)*

Strength: Oh yes, this is there. Unless it's all attributed to the carb load, which I doubt, but it was a good day.

Pumps: Pumps were there, nothing 'crazy' yet, great I must say but I want MORE lol.

Mood: Calm, at ease, happy. I like this feeling lol. (unchanged)*
Sleep: Oh man… slept at 2am… had practice for my concert on Saturday. Slept pretty soundly though, kinda tired but not that bad. Should definitely get more sleep though.*

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Muscles feel fuller though I can’t really pump them up. Noticeably flatter but still feeling full…? Haha I donno, like I said the super low carb deal I’m doing now is really smashing the pumps. Today I will have a carb load and I hope it will assist in allowing me to hold my pumps this weekend. One more thing, I always notice the 'cold hands' during diets, but this time my hands are never cold. (unchanged)*

Overall: Today was good Androlean made me heat up WAY more, androhard helped keep me pumped and strong throughout the workout. (unchange)

Appetite: Hunger is there, I had to do only 2 meals today because I had a concert performance. I ate around 800g cooked rice, and around 1.2kgs of beef all in about 1hr. KILLED the food. Now back to the depletion/low cal/ low carb days. But I'm looking leaner and feeling stronger.

Oops, my client/friend used my account... But the above is his progress

Late to the party, but in!

6/19/2011


Food intake: (Maint cals)

1kg chicken breast
200g Beef
500g boiled sweet potato
200ml coconut oil
300g P, 150 C, 100g Fat

Kinda fell back on the protein but I definitely ate enough today. At least it feels like it.




Workout: (None)



Notes:*

Aggression: Been 6 days so far and nothing out of the ordinary.

Libido: High, like day 4 or so. Steadily a bit more attuned to that side of me lol.

Strength: As it was a recovery definitely didn’t feel any fatigue. I think I can hit the weights harder.

Pumps: Arms, chest and back were pumped all day haha!!

Mood: Relaxing day, tired though. Lethargy might be kicking in?
Sleep: Sleep has been deeper, I wake up to pee in like a daze.

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Muscles feel fuller though. Lethargy might be kicking in.

Overall: Today was good, nothing really to report.

Appetite: Hunger is UP. But controllable.

Just had a pretty interesting conversation with a friend of mine about working out. Now let me just give you some back up story about me first:
I used to be pretty over weight in High school. Wore a XXL (not cause I was buff), always had elastic pants, never played ANY sports, loved the soda/fruit juices etc. ate mostly carbs cause I thought being "fat free" meant i wasn't going to put on fat. My "turning point" was when I went to the shop and realized that at 16yrs of age I was shopping in the big and tall section for my pants, 46" at the time, and not cause I was tall. I always got the "oh you're big boned", "having some fat is healthy", "you're young you shouldn't worry", etc. etc. loving mother crap that is really not helpful at all. I love my mom and understand why she said these things but still... come on I was a junior in High school weighing in at a prime 260lbs at 5'10".
Not good if you ask me. could never run fast, move good, or play any sports. Academically I was great, straight A's, National honor society VP, Math team Pres... etc. And I guess I always used it as a crutch, while secretly hoping when I hit puberty magic would happen and i'd end up looking like wolverine or something from the comics. Never happened.
After I had that "moment", I cut all soda's, canned/bottled drinks. Cut my rice back significantly and pretty much kept my diet as whole as possible. Dropped around 30lbs in 1 year. With no additional exercise or anything, just diet. Then joined the 24hr fitness near me and started to go to the gym. Two years from there I lost another 20lbs and pretty much have stayed there. Going to the gym around 2-3 times a week. With some basketball in there.
Also, my sports capacity increased astronomically. For someone who pretty much never threw a football, shot a basketball, hit a baseball, or lifted weights in about 3 years most of my friends who I met in college thought I had been shoting hoops pretty much my whole life, my friends who go to the gym thought I was a beast and everyone in college "knew" i worked out. This pretty much was the result of me starting to do this AFTER highschool.
Looks wise almost everyone from my high school has no idea who I am anymore, they can't even recognize me. I show my old college friends and co workers my pictures now and they can't believe it. Everyone says, man I wish I could look like you... And I just tell them... When i was a junior in high school I pretty much wished I looked like anyone BUT me.
I guess to get back at where I was talking with my friend it boils down to this: I came from a fat/lazy/unathletic background and pretty much flipped it. i'm better than most of my friends who played basketball throughout their life now, well I take that back, I can hang with them. I lift more than most of them (I attribute this to the fact I was huge as a kid so my bones took more damage. In the future though it might be bad that I was.). So no one can say "it's too hard", or "i'm just too lazy". If you are just don't workout, don't diet, and don't bother even thinking about fitness. Balance really is key, but you ARE health. So if you wanna be healthy think about HOW much of you YOU are. Then think about balance. I workout 4 times a week, all in all around 6hrs a week. One week 7x24hrs = 168hrs, 6 hrs of that 3.5%. So for the week i workout around 3.5% of the time... If I told you all you needed to do to see results was workout 3% of your life you'd think I was insane. But that's basically all it boils down to for me. And ppl think I am insane with working out. Okay, so everyone says they don't like working out. I never liked it either. So what do I like? I liked games/gaming. So I basically said today i'm going to level up ME. I'm the main character in the game life. I need to get stronger, and I need to start looking better. I only got a certain amount of time I can "play" so when I go in the gym i better make it one damn good leveling trip or it's not gonna be worth it. From then on I started to like lifting, and love it. I know grinding won't work though. I only have a certain amount of time to lift, and so I need more quality than quantity here. So i make condensed, effective gym visits. So there, workout strategy DONE. My way, but i'm sure anyone who needs a reason to workout can easily find one that fits them perfectly.

Probably the hardest part of bodycomp/fitness is nutrition. People like food. I like food, I won't lie. I love to eat. Always have. Fried foods, SOOO good. BUT, can I enjoy healthier foods? Yes. Do I like meat? Yes. Do I like vegetables? Yes. Enjoy a small amount of fruit?Yes. Some potatoes/rice? Yes. So I just eat those. When you were a child didn't you eat whatever you're mom said to eat? hell I grew up on tofu, natto, miso soup and rice. (that's probably why one of my testicles is dead, no joke here this is true, I went to the docs in elementary and they flat out told me... one of your testicles is dead, you'll be okay though. I wish I had knowledge then, and I wish my parents would have done something about my diet...) Did you complain? No. It was food. You ate it. Same like now. Cept now who can you listen to? Right, the voice of reason. (This is probably the hardest part here as to WHO is the voice of reason. To continue on this debate I might post again later sometime but for now lets just say that there is a voice of reason). So why not just stop putting the bad stuff in your mouth everyday (yes eating it sometimes is okay), and eat what's good for you? it'll make you feel less lazy, less fat. Aren't you complaining about it? Might be good to just give it try no?
Honestly, I forget where else I am going with this but this is pretty much what has been bothering me about 2 of my friends who are super yo yo diet/gym goers. I don't really care if you know what you're doing is killing you and you don't care, but if you come and ask me for help, then just say its too hard and complain.... wtf is that? You KNOW it's bad, you KNOW what to do, you don't do it and you say that no one understands...? I lost over 70lbs of fat in the last decade and I have completely changed me. Though I'm still working on bodycomposition I have for sure "been there". You have been dieting for 1 week, you for sure not gonna look like me yet.

AH!! I remember. Motivation.

Really with no motivation there is not going to be results. You can't just go to the gym and say. "I'm here, yup, i'm gonna be a ripped bodybuilder." You have to have goals. Regardless. Lose 5lbs, gain 5 lbs. Lose 5% bodyfat, fit a size 34 pants. My goal in High school was to fit anything under a 40. I wear a size 32-34 now. I lost over 12" off my waist. Hell my shoe size even went down from a 14 to an 11.5. Did I plan it? No. I'm 100% sure though if I did it wouldn't have taken 10 years. I've seen more changes in the last yr though than I have in the last 6 years. And what has changed? Goals. How long did it take me to get these goals? Hmm. Not very long, maybe 15 minutes? How much time did it save? How much time do we even have? K, i'm done because I'm now wasting both our time when I should be getting my lesson for my classes tomorrow sorted and copied. Haha, Good luck all, and remember as cliche as this sounds anyone can do it.

6/20/2011


Food intake: (VLCD cals)

500g Chicken breast
12 egg white, 2 yolks

150g P, 12g C, 20g Fat

Notes: Today I started Shred matrix too. Mainly using it for appetite suppressant/focus enhancing effects. Noticed it. Not hungry at all. I figure the first day of the dieting phase dropping cals REALLY hard shouldn’t be that bad. Tomorrow I’ll pick it up a bit. Low cal dieting is crazy easy for me. I’ve done days of just xtends tbh so andro lean save me! haha



Workout: (depletion)*

Bench Press: 155lbs 3X20
Bent over row: 155lbs 3X15 SS: SLDL 155 3X15
Standing military: 105 2X20 SS: Upright rows 50 2X20
Close grip bench 115lbs 2X20 SS: EZ bar 50lbs 2X20
Squat: 155 3X20 SS: Single leg BW calf raises 2X25

(Did this twice)



Workout time: 1hr 45 minutes*

Workout Notes: Good god…. This wasn’t fun… haha, actually though sweated sooo much, thinking lean is kicking in strong. Shred matrix is good too, but today was extreme sweat.

Notes:*

Aggression: Oddly, this has somewhat leveled off. I seem much calmer now. Confidence is there. I just feel, good, not arrogant but good. (unchanged)*

Libido: NOTICEABLY HIGH. I’m liking the androhard. Noted aggression and confidence.

Strength: Good strength. Today I barely had any food but the workout was strong. Motivation to get it done was apparent too (side effects from lean I think)

Pumps: Pumps were good. Hard to tell seeing I was pretty depleted already today and did full body, so blood was going all over my body.

Mood: Calm, at ease, happy. I like this feeling lol. (unchanged)*
Sleep: Sleep was okay, again, it’s very dreamy like when I wake up to pee at night. I’m hoping I can get this taken care of. It’s supposed to be liver related. I’d take Milk thistle more but I read that it’s an androgen site competitor. No point in taking it while on cycle IMO.

Side Effects: Hair still okay, or not noticeable. Muscles feel fuller though I can’t really pump them up. Noticeably flatter but still feeling full…? Haha I donno, like I said the super low carb deal I’m doing now is really smashing the pumps. No cold hands from dieting, warmer now. Though I notice my body temp is low. Around 36.6 C. 37C is 98.6 F. (unchanged)*

Overall: Good workout, mean sweat, probably burned LOADS of cal intra workout. Good stuff.

Appetite: Abolished.

Nice update!

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Nice update!

Thanks!
Hey, I was wondering, HereToStudy i've seen you on LOADS of forums, PP's, AM, I would like to ask your advice. I have an extra bottle of androhard and lean. Was wondering if it would be wise to continue my cut for 8 weeks. My PCT would obviously change as i would add Torem. Do you think this is a good idea?
I'm about 12% BF now, noticing great recomping effects. Goal is to be closer to 8%.

Originally Posted by mattrag

Thanks!
Hey, I was wondering, HereToStudy i've seen you on LOADS of forums, PP's, AM, I would like to ask your advice. I have an extra bottle of androhard and lean. Was wondering if it would be wise to continue my cut for 8 weeks. My PCT would obviously change as i would add Torem. Do you think this is a good idea?
I'm about 12% BF now, noticing great recomping effects. Goal is to be closer to 8%.

Hope you dont mind my 2 cents too mattrag. Personally I like the idea of running longer cycles, I think they are more productive then 4 weekers. Thats just when things get goin really good.

Originally Posted by Good Grip

Hope you dont mind my 2 cents too mattrag. Personally I like the idea of running longer cycles, I think they are more productive then 4 weekers. Thats just when things get goin really good.

Yea, I've been reading and doing that seems the best. I will make sure the SERM is in my hands though b4 I run any longer than 4 weeks. Order's in so hopefully in 2 weeks I will have it. Thinking of running the new PES AnaBeta along with it too.

Also, when coming off an 8 week cut off a cycle how would calories look? Currently running the UD2 @ around 2500cal/day (weekly avg, 1200-1500 on low days, then the 30hr refeed of around 6000 cals, then the weekend maint).

And Macro wise~ Any suggestions would be great. I just hear after a mass gain cycle you have to keep eating big, but in a cut cycle do we keep calories low? Goal after this would be to stabilize bf levels and weight.

Following somewhat Matt Porter's advice id keep things similar. Keep your high calorie, re-feed days around to keep your metabolism from stalling. In essence dont bring up calories for extended periods of time. I wouldnt mind hearing Matt's thoughts on this question as he is way more knowledgable on this subject.

Originally Posted by Good Grip

Following somewhat Matt Porter's advice id keep things similar. Keep your high calorie, re-feed days around to keep your metabolism from stalling. In essence dont bring up calories for extended periods of time. I wouldnt mind hearing Matt's thoughts on this question as he is way more knowledgable on this subject.

Does Matt Porter frequent this forum?

Originally Posted by mattrag

Does Matt Porter frequent this forum?

No he has his own thread at Primordial Performance and he gives out tips and advice freely. He has won a few shows and has clients he takes on, so his advice is pretty solid.