What to stack with 1-AD

**Vale Tudo** · 12-20-2002, 11:03 AM

I have done two cycles now with Erogpharm's 1-AD and have gotten good results, but for muy next cycle I am thinking about stacking it with something else to hopefully get more out of my cycle, any suggestions? Or anyone tried another product that they thinks works just as well or better than the Ergo's 1-AD?

**PB&J** · 12-20-2002, 11:07 AM

Most of the posts I have read say stacking with 4-ad is good.

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 12:17 PM

If you want a topical now there are only two places I know to get it. 1fast and BDC!

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 01:28 PM

1AD is the precursor to 1 Test. So you can try 1T which, obviously is more effective. The best stack for a bulk would be 4AD, though I have heard some have good results stacking 1, 4 AD.

Better you better get it quick before they are all banned.

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 02:01 PM

I wouldn't say 1-t was better than 1-ad. If I had a choice I would pick 1-ad. I think they are very close though!

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 02:11 PM

DG, chemically and physiologically, it HAS to be better. We have discussed this. I know you believe you see better results from 1AD. You, perhaps, are an anomoly. But chemically, they end up being the same drug in the body. And the 1AD obviously does not convert at a 100% rate. So mg for mg 1T HAS to be more effect. I know you know this, I explain for the original poster.

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 02:12 PM

BTW, why does your sig refer to 1-Test then?

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
BTW, why does your sig refer to 1-Test then?

This refers to 1-test gel......

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
DG, chemically and physiologically, it HAS to be better. We have discussed this. I know you believe you see better results from 1AD. You, perhaps, are an anomoly. But chemically, they end up being the same drug in the body. And the 1AD obviously does not convert at a 100% rate. So mg for mg 1T HAS to be more effect. I know you know this, I explain for the original poster.

If you look at some old post on bb.com and you'll see plenty of arguements on this. I'm not exactly sure how the chemical makeup is different............1t is only 25 mg vs 1-ad 100mg. Is one 25 mg as good as 1 100mg??? Or does it take 4 25 mg to equal 1 100mg? I think that is where the debate lies. Mg for mg you might be right......I don't know. But just from the feedback I get at gyms I would say 1-ad over 1t. Now maybe 1t hasn't been around long enough. And like you said each person is different.

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by dg806
This refers to 1-test gel......

And this differs how?

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 07:38 PM

better absorption!

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 07:38 PM

If I remember right your talking 40-45% to about 10-13%

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 07:41 PM

No. How does your reference matter to comparing 1T to 1AD? 1t is 1t, just there are different deliver systems. Same as 1AD is 1AD, in theory it could be delivered transdermally I suppose, but Pat has a patent I believe, I he doesn't use transdermals (soon no one will).

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 07:46 PM

I guess it doesn't matter. I just prefer the gel over orals!

**Twin Peak** · 12-20-2002, 07:51 PM

UGGGG.

I know you prefer gels. And you prefer 1AD. See the contradiction? I am trying to see how YOU reconcile this. Personally, I can think of a way, but I want to hear your reasoning.

You say:

1) 1AD is better than 1T (there is NO discussion here about delivery systems, you just blanketly state that 1AD is better)
2) Your sig says 1T
3) I ask why if you prefer 1AD
4) You yell "GELS"

See the circular logic? I am trying to get to the end of the circle!

**ZECH** · 12-20-2002, 08:35 PM

Ok I think I see the confusion here..........when you say 1T I'm thinking 1tethergels(oral-molecular nutrition) , not 1-test!

**1Fast400** · 12-21-2002, 08:40 AM

1-AD is the best oral product out there period.

chemically and physiologically, it HAS to be better.

This is a common misconception. If you stack 300mg of 1-AD vs 300mg of an oral 1-test, the 1-AD will always come out on top. The liver destroys most of the oral 1-T product.

I know you believe you see better results from 1AD. You, perhaps, are an anomoly. But chemically, they end up being the same drug in the body. And the 1AD obviously does not convert at a 100% rate. So mg for mg 1T HAS to be more effect. I know you know this, I explain for the original poster.

90% of people will see better results with 1AD as opposed to any other 1-T product. You don't understand the science as to why these products work.

**Vale Tudo** · 12-21-2002, 08:42 AM

SO what brands would you guys suggest for the 4-AD stack, and what amounts?

**1Fast400** · 12-21-2002, 08:45 AM

AndroDiol Select from Ergo is one of the most economic orals. I'd do 2-3 caps per day spaced with emails. If going transdermal I would go with 6 squirts 2x per day of 4Aderm. That way it would last you a month.

**Mikes1** · 12-21-2002, 08:49 AM

Using the suggested dose of 1-ad, the bottle lasts 20 days. Is it better to use 2 bottles(40 days) or 1.5 bottles(30 days) or 1 bottle?

Mike

**1Fast400** · 12-21-2002, 08:53 AM

You have 3 options:

3 pills per day 1-break/1-lunch/1 dinner bottle last 20 days
4 pills per day same except two closest to working out 2 bottles=month

6 pills per day same but 2 3x per day 3 bottles=month

**Mikes1** · 12-21-2002, 08:57 AM

Are 20 day cycles long enough?

P.S. I liked the letter you had in the last package i received from you.

**ZECH** · 12-21-2002, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by 1Fast400
1-AD is the best oral product out there period.

This is a common misconception. If you stack 300mg of 1-AD vs 300mg of an oral 1-test, the 1-AD will always come out on top. The liver destroys most of the oral 1-T product.

90% of people will see better results with 1AD as opposed to any other 1-T product. You don't understand the science as to why these products work.

Mike, doesn't 1-ad have a double bond that make makes it the liver where 1t doesn't?

**Twin Peak** · 12-21-2002, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by 1Fast400
1-AD is the best oral product out there period.

This is a common misconception. If you stack 300mg of 1-AD vs 300mg of an oral 1-test, the 1-AD will always come out on top. The liver destroys most of the oral 1-T product.

90% of people will see better results with 1AD as opposed to any other 1-T product. You don't understand the science as to why these products work.

I'll certainly defer to your knowledge on this Mike. But if thats true than you suck for letting my by VPX.

Also I thought that oral 1 Test (I'll use this instead of 1T to prevent the confusion) converted at around 15%. I thought 1AD, 4AD, and even boldione were about the same.

And at what percentage does 1AD convert to 1Test?

In other words, what % of 1AD gets into the blood, and what % of that is converted to 1 Test?

**1Fast400** · 12-21-2002, 03:16 PM

Nobody knows and anyone (here this big cat) that makes up numbers on absorbtion is stupid. They are guesses at best.

**ZECH** · 12-22-2002, 09:50 AM

But we do know that transdermals get more in the blood than orals!

**ZECH** · 12-22-2002, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I'll certainly defer to your knowledge on this Mike. But if thats true than you suck for letting my by VPX.

Also I thought that oral 1 Test (I'll use this instead of 1T to prevent the confusion) converted at around 15%. I thought 1AD, 4AD, and even boldione were about the same.

And at what percentage does 1AD convert to 1Test?

In other words, what % of 1AD gets into the blood, and what % of that is converted to 1 Test?

The gains you got off of VPX were outstanding! I don't think you would have seen any more with 1-ad......
And don't confuse the absorption of orals and transdermals together.

**Twin Peak** · 12-22-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by dg806
The gains you got off of VPX were outstanding! I don't think you would have seen any more with 1-ad......
And don't confuse the absorption of orals and transdermals together.

1) I believe most of my gains were the extremely increased calories. None of my lifts were personal bests. Since being off all size gains have all but evaporated.

2) Clearly I don't. But my points are the same.

**ZECH** · 12-22-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I'll certainly defer to your knowledge on this Mike. But if thats true than you suck for letting my by VPX.

You didn't believe me

**ZECH** · 12-22-2002, 01:28 PM

TP, I would try a good 4/ad product while you can. The increased estrogenic activity is best for mass!

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