Thread: Textbooks Or Supps?

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Sidenote: I don't like to sell "shit".......

DP

do you sell "shit"?

if you're in business to make money then you sell them what they want. If they ask your advice then you tell them what is worth taking and what is not, but I would not give unsolicited advice.

Yep Prince hit it on the head. Sell it and give advice when asked!
Most people think they know everything anyway!

Originally posted by Prince
do you sell "shit"?

if you're in business to make money then you sell them what they want. If they ask your advice then you tell them what is worth taking and what is not, but I would not give unsolicited advice.

That's what we do, and/but unfortunately we are over zealous with honesty and advice.....

Unfortunately...80% or more of the supps out there are SHIT...and there is NO WAY around it! You can't be "In Business" w/o the shit! LOL

BTW...I'm only speaking of Ergogenic Aids...not supps in General!


DP

Originally posted by dg806
Yep Prince hit it on the head. Sell it and give advice when asked!
Most people think they know everything anyway!

DUMBASSES!

DP

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
That's what we do, and/but unfortunately we are over zealous with honesty and advice.....

Unfortunately...80% or more of the supps out there are SHIT...and there is NO WAY around it! You can't be "In Business" w/o the shit! LOL

BTW...I'm only speaking of Ergogenic Aids...not supps in General!


DP

Well then, it sounds like you have a moral dilema with the business you are in, so maybe you need to reevaluate that.

You just answered you own question: "80% or more of the supps out there are SHIT...and there is NO WAY around it! You can't be "In Business" w/o the shit!"

if you want to stay in business give your advice sparingly in regards to what is shit and what is not.

DP; That is a tough situation, but like here in the forums just put out the information and if they don't listen or fail to comprehend that the advice you've given is solid, then it shouldn't be your concern.

Let it be known, because of what you've preached over and over again in the forums, I've learned which products are quality and which one's are unnecessary. This has resulted in saving my money, using it on more beneficial items like FOOD!!

Originally posted by Max. Q
DP; That is a tough situation, but like here in the forums just put out the information and if they don't listen or fail to comprehend that the advice you've given is solid, then it shouldn't be your concern.

Let it be known, because of what you've preached over and over again in the forums, I've learned which products are quality and which one's are unnecessary. This has resulted in saving my money, using it on more beneficial items like FOOD!!

So, how do you run a supplement business and advise people that food is the best supplement?

That sounds like a quick recipe for going out of business.

You must believe in what you're selling or you should not be selling it. Right?

So, how do you run a supplement business and advise people that food is the best supplement

Sell the supplement business and buy a grocercy store?

Originally posted by Prince
So, how do you run a supplement business and advise people that food is the best supplement?

That sounds like a quick recipe for going out of business.

You must believe in what you're selling or you should not be selling it. Right?

What I mean is instead of buying certain supplements, I am able to save that money and use it to buy food. I didn't say that I would advise others to buy food instead.

Just like you said: "if you're in business to make money then you sell them what they want. If they ask your advice then you tell them what is worth taking and what is not, but I would not give unsolicited advice."

Originally posted by Max. Q
DP; That is a tough situation, but like here in the forums just put out the information and if they don't listen or fail to comprehend that the advice you've given is solid, then it shouldn't be your concern.

Let it be known, because of what you've preached over and over again in the forums, I've learned which products are quality and which one's are unnecessary. This has resulted in saving my money, using it on more beneficial items like FOOD!!

Thanks Max and Everyone!

DP

Originally posted by Prince
So, how do you run a supplement business and advise people that food is the best supplement?

That sounds like a quick recipe for going out of business.

You must believe in what you're selling or you should not be selling it. Right?

I run it the way I run it! With honesty, intregrity and full representation. We give warning on any and every product we know about, When asked, or many times w/o promting....we tell a person that they DO NOT want a particular product or products, esp the shit ones....and you know what........

They come back, they tell their friends and relatives, they move and still call us for supps, the Medical and Pharmacueticul community trust us.....and people tell us all of the time that they come to us out of trust and respect!

DP

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I run it the way I run it! With honesty, intregrity and full representation. We give warning on any and every product we know about, When asked, or many times w/o promting....we tell a person that they DO NOT want a particular product or products, esp the shit ones....and you know what........

great, if that's the case why did you pose this question in the first place?

furthermore, if you tell customers to not take the "shit ones" why even carry them?

Cuz.....we are talking $$$ that should be spent on Textbooks, not shitty supps........the rest of the discussion was about the general public...



DP

Originally posted by Prince
great, if that's the case why did you pose this question in the first place?

furthermore, if you tell customers to not take the "shit ones" why even carry them?

Thats exactly what I thought, and really DP....what right do you have to even worry about HOW they are spending their money.

Business is busines....you are in it to make money WITHOUT blindly ripping off the customer, hense, if they ask you tell, if they think they are making an informed choice after reading FLEX, so be it.

Originally posted by kuso
and really DP....what right do you have to even worry about HOW they are spending their money.

WTF is that supposed to mean....he can't vent about how he feels? Everyone else does around here.

Originally posted by w8lifter
WTF is that supposed to mean....he can't vent about how he feels? Everyone else does around here.

Vent away....I`m saying though, as a business man his primary concern should be the amount they spend in his store, and possibly at competitors stores.........not what they spend in something unrelated.

This is a fine line, Prince......I can tell you what I learned in ALL of my MBA education, 2 Golden Rules:

First Golden Rule:

"Find Imperfections in the System and Exploit them!"

See, I just saved you a shitload of money and time...I even almost got expelled for adherring to the "Golden Rule"

I used, voidable contracts to domin8 a Stock Market Trading Simul8tion.......I ripped the college (Computer Lab) off of Computer time (back when you had to 'Buy it"), for my Business Consulting and Electronic Data Accounting Firm, we also used the free "Long Distance" in the Teacher's Lounge...as Grad Assistants for Business dealings.....etc

But what you learn is Business is NOT what you learn in Business School......When I taught Small Business Devolpment, an Upper Divion College class here (as an Associ8 professor)....I taught Business as it occurs in the "Real World"...not in books, if you want to Play HArdball, you'd better have ALL of the Bases, the Ball and the Bat......cuz just like in BB, there is always a Bigger Dog than you, that can play harder and rougher....sort of what you guys are talking about. How do you ever win? Don't play THAT GAME!

Second Golden Rule: Wealth Maximazation

You know what I say...FUCK THESE RULES!...It's about helping people, caring, doing the right thing!

They had classes focusing on the "New" concept back then of, "Social Responsibility".....Ha! That ment dump your chemicals in Lake Erie, and then build a YMCA on the banks for the communities you just Fucked!

You guys make money the way your consciousness dictates, I'll do it my way......if I can help someone with there bodybuilding goals w/food....then if the get sick, have a problem....they come to me......it always seems that truth, kindness and caring are returned monetarily w/interest LD

DP

I agree DP, but the thing that is ironic here is that you are contradicting yourself.

Why run a supplement business if you really do not believe in what you are selling? Why not close up shop and be a nutrition conselor, or open a health food store?

Secondly, it's not your duty to worry about what anyone spends their money on. If some college kid wants to buy supps, so be it.

Lastly, why are you taking such a defensive tone?


and w8lifter, we are just responding to DP's post, nothing more, nothing less, I think DP can handle himself.

It's the moral side of good business, nothing more, I'm defensive because it's it's aggravating for me to see profit as the driving force...this is fucking up the world....what you buy, what you think is told to you, directly or indirectly.

If you look at the replies, that is what some of you are saying!

DP

I don't think you can do much about people spending their money on supplements instead of textbooks, people have their own set of values.

Helping people buy the best supplements on the other hand shouldn't be to hard, simply setup a special display for the supplements you consider to be in that 20% that aren't shit, string up some flashy christmas lights or whatever you feel it takes to allow people to note them, a sign that says this is what you feel are the best of the best etc. People are free to ignore you or take your advice, without anyone feeling like you are pushing information on them they don't want or need. It'd probably be a good idea to have those seperated into the top 20% also in the regular locations according to how your store is organized.

It's a lot of work (especially if you carry a LOT of selection and you probably do) but if it helps you sleep better knowing you are probably helping more people buy quality goods then it should be worth it.

Originally posted by Prince


and w8lifter, we are just responding to DP's post, nothing more, nothing less, I think DP can handle himself.

I know he can....I just didn't know what "what right do you have" meant. ...and I still don't really....why doesn't he have a right to care...it may not be his place, but he certainly has to right to

Thanks DanK!

Good Suggestions....

The marketing is not a problem....funny that you mention Christmas lights however, we do that becaue my wife is into Feng Shui (omg help me now, lol)

DP

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
It's the moral side of good business, nothing more, I'm defensive because it's it's aggravating for me to see profit as the driving force...this is fucking up the world....what you buy, what you think is told to you, directly or indirectly.

If you look at the replies, that is what some of you are saying!

DP

okay, maybe, but not too long ago you were mad that ephedra was going to be made illegal and this was a major profit for you. Do you honestly believe that taking ephedra is the healthiest way to lose weight? and you know as well as I that 90% of the people that buy this supp probably eat like shit and don't even work-out, they think it's a magic weight loss pill.

but honestly I think you're in the wrong business then because for the most part supplements are marketed with lies to begin with.

it sounds like you should be a nutrition advisor or personal trainer so you can make money helping poeple and still feel moral about how you make your money.

or, only sell supplements that you truely believe in, but if you did that you would probably go out of business!

Good Point Prince......but anyone buying ECA for me gets a lecture from me or my employees...many many sales have been diverted to Fat Loss Speeches and products that are more useful.

As is always the case, if they are going to buy it anyway, we sell it. Got to pass a Drug Test, we have yor stuff.....

There is a difference between morality and being Judgemental!

It's difficult to compete with the Tabloids and Oprah for quality information, but if I don't do it, who will?

See I am productive and useful, morals and all.

DP

Originally posted by Prince


but honestly I think you're in the wrong business

....I'm telling ya....BBP

I went to a book store today

Overwhelmed as usual, I picked out some books for Ya'll

w8: The Paleo Diet

Short Version of the PD:

Eat all meats
Eat all non-starchy veggies, and some fruits
Avoid Dairy
Avoid Legumes
Eat Fat

Chapter two, was "How to "Hunt" food in the Supermarket"



mmafiter: There actually is a Grapling mag

GP: Get Big with Static Contraction (constip8ed too)
DP: Qigung and Medical Term Dictionary
TCD: How Alcohol Supresses Testosterone (made that one up)

Oh...and my favorite, I wouldn't give this book to anyone......73 Exercises and how to do them Correctly...OMG, the worst form I've seem outside of the gym

and not a single smilie

Interesting statement in the Paleo Diet

Said: If you change you macros to Protein from Meat, and carbs fiber from fruits and veggies only.....no change in calories or exercise...you will lose 10-15 pounds of fat in 6 months

DP