Thread: most supplements are nonsense and a waste

what do pros got to do with taking protein or creatine powder????

haha this is your second post... and this is how you start off. lol

Originally Posted by camthman

haha this is your second post... and this is how you start off. lol

Have to agree, you could have just said hello, or maybe even a little ..... Seems kind of opinionated and close minded of you to come out the way you did.

Most supplements are nonsense and a waste......So is the content of your post.

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Originally Posted by camthman

haha this is your second post... and this is how you start off. lol

Should look at his first post

Pics of how that is working for you?

well ask yourselves who is funding most research done on supplements? show me and independent research center that is only interested in real medical findings doing such research...all of it is for commercial purposes...sure some supplements give results but the results are really exaggerated..and nobody talks about long term effect , that is years of using such supplements...so concentrate on your workout , the supplements are not doing the job for you, and if you feel they help then it is all in your head, you are probably working out harder (placebo effect) ...

Originally Posted by bjg

enjoy your workout stay healthy eat properly, you don't need any supplements most of them are useless and of course no steroids are safe, it is all in your head. if you think people like the Mr olympia today looks good then you are suffering from a psychiatric disorder. in fact the big pros look big but unhealthy and unattractive. just go to the gym and workout and spend your energy on living instead of worrying what chemical you are going to inject or eat.

They have a section for small useless weight lifters like yourself. Your either 12 years old or 75, at this point im not sure. You stated nothing but your opinion on diet, steroids and how the pro's look. This was a wasted post

or your a fat lazy fuck!

I fucking love supplements....and juice...they seem to be working just fine.....rook!

lol you keep your opinion and watch us grow stronger and bigger than you ever will. Maybe that will change your mind...

Originally Posted by bjg

enjoy your workout stay healthy eat properly, you don't need any supplements most of them are useless and of course no steroids are safe, it is all in your head. if you think people like the Mr olympia today looks good then you are suffering from a psychiatric disorder. in fact the big pros look big but unhealthy and unattractive. just go to the gym and workout and spend your energy on living instead of worrying what chemical you are going to inject or eat.

you know how i know your small and weak?

Originally Posted by bjg

well ask yourselves who is funding most research done on supplements? show me and independent research center that is only interested in real medical findings doing such research...all of it is for commercial purposes...sure some supplements give results but the results are really exaggerated..and nobody talks about long term effect , that is years of using such supplements...so concentrate on your workout , the supplements are not doing the job for you, and if you feel they help then it is all in your head, you are probably working out harder (placebo effect) ...

App Nut :: Home shows blood work on a few of there products and has about a 5 page tech write up about each product explaining how it works. there is also this non biased group that breaks down each ingredient in many products and explains what it does and if it should be in this product or not.

your worried about supplements when doctors prescribe 5 different blood pressure medications for people over weight when all they have to do is eat right and work out. yeah dude, get real.

Try methadrol extreme from this site and then tell me that it doesn't work. Lol, you'll be in for a suprise. Some products at supplement stores are not needed but they are defiantely helpful. Ps. the results from methadrol aren't exaggerated one bit.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Should look at his first post

HAHA I know, I looked at it right after I responded to him. Talk about first impressions being everlasting.......

Freaking Beastdrol is wicked good!! Protein, Creatine, BCAA's, list keeps going all good for the soul haha good old supplements! BTW tons of supplements including glutamine for chemo patients, creatine has tons of proven benefits. If you like to be 100 percent natural that's fine dude but don't rain on our parade and we won't rain on yours!!!

Again for all who do not believe me ...i have pro bodybuliders as friends and most of them if not all of my age (50 years old) where substance abusers, and supplements etc.... guess what: at 50 they have no chance against me...and by the way for those who can only respond by insults blah blah blah...i am a university professor and i know how research is done and how articles are published .... and by the way my son is 18 and never lifted weights and probably can kick your fat asses anytime it will take him few seconds (black belt judo ) so am i. .
so back to our subject: all my friends who used substances like steroids and all kinds of hormones and even mild things like creatine , they all regret it ..when did they realize their stupidity? when it was a bit late. For those psychotics who use steroids etc... look at arnold he looks now as if he never lifted weights, my dad who is 82 looks much much better than him.

Originally Posted by bjg

Again for all who do not believe me ...i have pro bodybuliders as friends and most of them if not all of my age (50 years old) where substance abusers, and supplements etc.... guess what: at 50 they have no chance against me...and by the way for those who can only respond by insults blah blah blah...i am a university professor and i know how research is done and how articles are published .... and by the way my son is 18 and never lifted weights and probably can kick your fat asses anytime it will take him few seconds (black belt judo ) so am i. .
so back to our subject: all my friends who used substances like steroids and all kinds of hormones and even mild things like creatine , they all regret it ..when did they realize their stupidity? when it was a bit late. For those psychotics who use steroids etc... look at arnold he looks now as if he never lifted weights, my dad who is 82 looks much much better than him.

Welcome to the forum.

So tell me again why someone that used creatine will look any worse than someone like yourself who has been working out like you, with everything else being equal. (diet and exercise)

I think you are going a little extreme here.

Buddy I agree with you, ppl that ABUSE (key word) substances have no chance against someone who is healthy.

And your argument that Arnold does not look like he lift's weights, ummm the guy is like 70 now bro. He doesn't lift 24/7 anymore.

But someone who takes creatine I would not label as an abuser. Creatine is scientifcally backed, along with other supplements like Amino Acid's and HMB. They help with recover of the muscles after a workout.

When you are sick do you let your body deal with it "naturally" or do you take some medicine to help your body recover faster?

Bottom line is taking a "supp" can lead to abuse and to be addicted to BBing and neglect other area's of life such as spiritual growth and family and work. But if everything is in moderation then to me that is ok.

Also post a pic of your dad. I want to see this 82 yo who looks better than Arnie.

Originally Posted by bjg

Again for all who do not believe me ...i have pro bodybuliders as friends and most of them if not all of my age (50 years old) where substance abusers, and supplements etc.... guess what: at 50 they have no chance against me...and by the way for those who can only respond by insults blah blah blah...i am a university professor and i know how research is done and how articles are published .... and by the way my son is 18 and never lifted weights and probably can kick your fat asses anytime it will take him few seconds (black belt judo ) so am i. .
so back to our subject: all my friends who used substances like steroids and all kinds of hormones and even mild things like creatine , they all regret it ..when did they realize their stupidity? when it was a bit late. For those psychotics who use steroids etc... look at arnold he looks now as if he never lifted weights, my dad who is 82 looks much much better than him.

Would you like a cookie??

Originally Posted by bjg

Again for all who do not believe me ...i have pro bodybuliders as friends and most of them if not all of my age (50 years old) where substance abusers, and supplements etc.... guess what: at 50 they have no chance against me...and by the way for those who can only respond by insults blah blah blah...i am a university professor and i know how research is done and how articles are published .... and by the way my son is 18 and never lifted weights and probably can kick your fat asses anytime it will take him few seconds (black belt judo ) so am i. .
so back to our subject: all my friends who used substances like steroids and all kinds of hormones and even mild things like creatine , they all regret it ..when did they realize their stupidity? when it was a bit late. For those psychotics who use steroids etc... look at arnold he looks now as if he never lifted weights, my dad who is 82 looks much much better than him.

In fairness you are picking one of many and you picked one who has stopped training all together. So if you are an educated man you already know that its unfair to use Arnold as an example. You sound as though a life experience has left you feeling slighted by a bodybuilder or bodybuilders there is too much anger in your post for us to believe this is just a statement of observation. To go so far as to threaten people you dont even know with physical harm is juvenile and not what I would expect of an educated man. Name calling and threats are what people do when they have run out of options to debate things intelligently. Surely you dont feel bested here by a bunch of roid heads like us now do you. So be fair and go check out Robby Robinson, Franco Colombo, and Lou Ferigno. Men who are at least 5-10 years your senior and then show us a split screen of you and them. If you are telling the truth the pics should silence us all. In short Im just saying put your money where your mouth is, put up or shut up its really very simple.

Originally Posted by bjg

enjoy your workout stay healthy eat properly, you don't need any supplements most of them are useless and of course no steroids are safe, it is all in your head. if you think people like the Mr olympia today looks good then you are suffering from a psychiatric disorder. in fact the big pros look big but unhealthy and unattractive. just go to the gym and workout and spend your energy on living instead of worrying what chemical you are going to inject or eat.

No offence intended...

HOWEVER...You must NOT be OLD like ME and lift heavy as fuck in your workouts, or you ARE old like me and DON'T lift heavy as fuck in your workouts...Cause WITHOUT my fish oil and glucosamine I would be SOOOOO screwed in the joints...And I'm sorry if you ARE old like me...Lol...But NO ONE knows MY joints on and off of my supplements like ME...When I am OFF of them, I FREAKIN' HURT...So, to put everyone in the same category is NOT really fair...

NOT IN MY HEAD EITHER...Its in my elbows, knees, hips, ankles, etc...You get the point...

bjg, I'm not sure if you're being serious. I know a couple pros and they don't use supplements. Fish oil, multis, yeah, but they didnt/don't even use creatine. And if the pros you know, who are your age according to your post, unless I misunderstood something, didn't have access to the supps of today because they didn't exist. There was no creatine, hmb, or jack3d. It was liver tabs, weight gainer, (ughh), and some bullshyte sublingual drops made by Bricker Labs. Oh, don't forget Cybergenics,,hahahaa.

and what's your son got to do with it? As soon as you threatne to kick people's ass over the internet, you lose all credibility.

As for supps not working. Depends on which one's you're referring to. I've tried a lot. Like Mrs. V said, fish oil saves me from walking like a cripple. Without it I'd be hobbling even more than I already do. (I'm 41). Vit. C, love it, also D3 helps with my mood. Everyone's different. What works for you may not for me. Most is crap, I'll give you that.

But stop hating on folks who don't believe the same as you. I mean, what are you trying to do, change everyone's mind, on a bodybuilding forum? Good luck with that.

i dont threaten people but everyday i receive many messages from idiots in this forum who insult me and calling me names...who cares i was just making a point.. and as i said in another thread take the minimal amount of supplement needed: listen to your body....fish oil etc... are good for you ....take the natural supplements THAT YOU NEED ..when i say supplements it is all that artificial crap that is sold by companies claiming miracles..and for the record when i get sick i don't use any medicine unless i have to. and for the one who said i have anger in my words ..on the contrary i have irony......and for those who say that franco columbo is older than me and look better: he already had undergone so many surgeries to eliminate his tits due to steroid abuse ..

Originally Posted by bjg

enjoy your workout stay healthy eat properly, you don't need any supplements most of them are useless and of course no steroids are safe, it is all in your head..

Steroids are a part of a healthy balanced diet.

that is for those who rely on steroids and other hormonal junk: you know that pros spend thousand of dollars each month on medical assistance and they are backed up by doctors etc... and still they die young...and unfortunately our youth going to the gym are taking more crap than pros with no medical assistance, without knowing the source of the junk they are taking, and with no medical examinations, they are encouraged by some older idiot who could care less and who prescribes to them tons of shit that he took from some site on the internet that promotes steroid use. by the way the internet is a dangerous thing, i know for a fact about articles released on internet that have to do with my expertise (biomedical engineering) and that are total crap : internet does not mean it is true.

Originally Posted by bjg

that is for those who rely on steroids and other hormonal junk: you know that pros spend thousand of dollars each month on medical assistance and they are backed up by doctors etc... and still they die young...and unfortunately our youth going to the gym are taking more crap than pros with no medical assistance, without knowing the source of the junk they are taking, and with no medical examinations, they are encouraged by some older idiot who could care less and who prescribes to them tons of shit that he took from some site on the internet that promotes steroid use. by the way the internet is a dangerous thing, i know for a fact about articles released on internet that have to do with my expertise (biomedical engineering) and that are total crap : internet does not mean it is true.

HORMONAL JUNK'S ASS...

I have news for YOU...."THAT" hormonal "JUNK" stuff you are referring to has kept THOUSANDS OF HUSBANDS ALIVE...Ask ANY woman that has gone through MENOPAUSE...Geesh...

And also, test is VERY important when levels start to drop and a man starts to feel like an 87 year old WOMAN...So YEAH, there ARE some reason's to be "on"...