Thread: What muscle building supplements work best?

Animal Stack~ desicated liver is an awesome supplement~ I would'nt leave home with out it!

Food, food, food oh and food

Originally Posted by larry123

I'm using "Creatine" and its not giving me much results please let me know about a good muscle building supplement that is effective.

creatine never did much for me either, I consider myself a "non-responder".
are you wanting to go the pro-hormone route?

Drinking your own semen

DMZ has been showing some very good results and Orbit just put it on sale for $29.99 Also Pes Anabeta or BPS Endosurge has very good reviews. Make sure your getting plenty of protein for your diet and supps along with your BCAA's. Give DMZ a check. Good luck.

Ive just ran a cycle (30days) of kre alkalyn. It's suppose to be a buffered creatine, i decided to give it a go after trying creatine ethyl ester and not feeling much. I have had very good results on this kre alkalyn. A new product ive started yesterday is propadrol EP from EST. Heard good things so will keep you updated if you wish.

Originally Posted by larry123

I'm using "Creatine" and its not giving me much results please let me know about a good muscle building supplement that is effective.

my general assumption: If you are just using creatine then you probably aren't a very experienced lifter, if I am wrong sorry.

tip 1) Achieve what you can naturally

tip 2) Add products one at a time to your supplement routine, that way you can tell what works

tip 3) try different forms of creatine. Ethyl Ester, Monohydrate, etc. You might respond better to a different type. Also, are you drinking sufficient water? I am very undisciplined with water consumption and that interfered with creatine effectiveness

tip 4) Try a weight gainer if you are trying to bulk. Such as Muscle Juice if you are poor and your taste buds can handle it, or Monster Mass if your wallets are heavy.

tip 5) No weight gainer? Supplement with Protein Powder (A must for everyone)

tip 6) try Pre-workout and Post-workout recovery products. Not sure too much about post-workout but pre-workouts for me are a must!

tip 7) Eat food, good food. If you are cheap like me then hit up walmart for big frozen bags of chicken and salmon. Buy cheap pasta.

tip 8) Prohormones--have their uses but you want to be very very strong and close to your "peak" before you use them. Also you want to be well past puberty, have a solid understanding of PCT, etc.

Front load creatine monohydrate for a week. Report back then....

Seriously the post above me is spot on.

SizeOn
The one product that bulks me up pretty good.
The SizeOn Max has only 24 servings per tub but I started using half serving sizes and works just as well. Ends up giving you 48 workouts per tub

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

my general assumption: If you are just using creatine then you probably aren't a very experienced lifter, if I am wrong sorry.

Why would you make this assumption? The only supplement I currently use is protein powder (if that can even be considered a supplement).

I believe you assumption is correct, but the logic you used to formulate it is questionable.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 1) Achieve what you can naturally

What is considered natural? Anything that is not listed as an AAS or restricted WADA?

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 2) Add products one at a time to your supplement routine, that way you can tell what works

This is a very smart way to implement new products. However, it needs to be the only variable that changes. This means you cant start trying harder doing extra volume, eating more (or better), or even sleeping more. All variables need to stay the same to be objective instead of subjective. Good luck with getting an objective answer.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 3) try different forms of creatine. Ethyl Ester, Monohydrate, etc. You might respond better to a different type. Also, are you drinking sufficient water? I am very undisciplined with water consumption and that interfered with creatine effectiveness

Other forms of creatine won't help. If a person has reached the ceiling level of creatine (160mmol /kg of dry weight) naturally nothign will help them push past it. Creatine supplementation is to ensure you are topped up. It cannot be super compensated.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 4) Try a weight gainer if you are trying to bulk. Such as Muscle Juice if you are poor and your taste buds can handle it, or Monster Mass if your wallets are heavy.

Or you could just eat more food. No need to waste money on a weight gainer that is primarily sugar and fat. You can get those nutrients for very cheap at any bulk foods store.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 5) No weight gainer? Supplement with Protein Powder (A must for everyone)

Or you can eat real food. Protein powder is not a must for everyone. It is not hard to reach 1.8g/kg( (being generous here) of body weight in protein a day with real food.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 6) try Pre-workout and Post-workout recovery products. Not sure too much about post-workout but pre-workouts for me are a must!

Or make your own. Sugar + Protein + EAA is perfect. There is no need for anything more pre/post workout. If you want a little something else to kick start your workout have a caffeine tab.

Most pre made recovery products are overpriced and filled with shit that has no proven effect.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 7) Eat food, good food. If you are cheap like me then hit up walmart for big frozen bags of chicken and salmon. Buy cheap pasta.

Good words here. Buy in Bulk.

Originally Posted by ckcrown84

tip 8) Prohormones--have their uses but you want to be very very strong and close to your "peak" before you use them. Also you want to be well past puberty, have a solid understanding of PCT, etc.

Why even bother? If you are going to use a pro-hormone stop kidding yourself and do the real thing. Why risk the side effects without proven benefits?

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Drinking your own semen

How is that going for you bro?

I like exactly what pebble said supplements are pretty wastefull for the fact that you can get all that shit from food
maybe if your cuting and you need low calorie protein shakes and bcaa's
or creatine which is no miracle drug but will help with strenght

Originally Posted by Mindgame516

I like exactly what pebble said supplements are pretty wastefull for the fact that you can get all that shit from food
maybe if your cuting and you need low calorie protein shakes and bcaa's
or creatine which is no miracle drug but will help with strenght

Supplements won't get you anywhere if your diet and training aren't already in check. They are meant to supplement your diet and if everything else is lined up you can get great results from a number of them.

Creatine is one of the most well researched supplements out there and it is certainly possible you are a non-responder. I'd suggest trying creatine monohydrate if you were using CEE and were not seeing results. CEE has pretty much been debunked and shown to not provide the results originally expected.

If you are interested, here's the abstract of a more recent study:

http://en.scientificcommons.org/42173307

Originally Posted by pebble

Why would you make this assumption? The only supplement I currently use is protein powder (if that can even be considered a supplement).

I believe you assumption is correct, but the logic you used to formulate it is questionable.



What is considered natural? Anything that is not listed as an AAS or restricted WADA?



This is a very smart way to implement new products. However, it needs to be the only variable that changes. This means you cant start trying harder doing extra volume, eating more (or better), or even sleeping more. All variables need to stay the same to be objective instead of subjective. Good luck with getting an objective answer.



Other forms of creatine won't help. If a person has reached the ceiling level of creatine (160mmol /kg of dry weight) naturally nothign will help them push past it. Creatine supplementation is to ensure you are topped up. It cannot be super compensated.



Or you could just eat more food. No need to waste money on a weight gainer that is primarily sugar and fat. You can get those nutrients for very cheap at any bulk foods store.



Or you can eat real food. Protein powder is not a must for everyone. It is not hard to reach 1.8g/kg( (being generous here) of body weight in protein a day with real food.



Or make your own. Sugar + Protein + EAA is perfect. There is no need for anything more pre/post workout. If you want a little something else to kick start your workout have a caffeine tab.

Most pre made recovery products are overpriced and filled with shit that has no proven effect.



Good words here. Buy in Bulk.



Why even bother? If you are going to use a pro-hormone stop kidding yourself and do the real thing. Why risk the side effects without proven benefits?

Natural is defined by what your body can achieve with proper nutrition. Prohormones and steroids can achieve best results when you have achieved greatness naturally. Us lifters follow a cycle. We do Protein. Creatine. Then dabble in this and that. Take a step at a time. Then do the raw deal. Don't jump into what you aren't prepared for.

Second. Muscle Juice is not sugar and fat... however I will recommend getting your nutrients from real food, not supplements. BTW not saying muscle juice is healthy. That shit hurts me. I break their 1 serving into two. 1 am and 1 afternoon. The point is that some people can't handle a diet and nutrition on par--been there personally. A good breakfast shake supplemented with a real freakfast and supplements can be very helpful

As far as the gentleman's advice on preworkout / postworkout i have no informative advice. As I said pre-workout is great for me. Research it and make your own informed opinion
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prohormones: I don't know if to go the raw deal or use them as a bridge into the real deal. That is up to the biochemist and people that know more about the effects of prohomrones and the our natural physiology than me.


Peace. Just giving the advice I can and sorry for typos