Biotest's Mag 10

**Prince** · 02-11-2003, 12:11 PM

has anyone used this product?

feedback please?

Twin Peak · 02-11-2003, 12:31 PM

Isn't it just a 1 Test product? I believe so.

If you want so great feedback just go to their website. Most other places their feedback really sucks. Pick a better brand.

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:36 PM

I've yet to hear positive comments about it.

other than from T-mag employees.

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:37 PM

Oh, except for Duque21.

But his opinions are disregarded.

**Prince** · 02-11-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
If you want so great feedback just go to their website. Most other places their feedback really sucks. Pick a better brand.

No, I wanted honest feedback from people that have used it.

I figured if I went to their webiste it would be biased info.

If you have not taken it, I really do not need your bullshit responses Twin Peak.

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:54 PM

In all fairness, i was serious.

Most cases where i have seen that people have used it, they've said it paled in comparison to other brands.

I've not used it myself, but if you're interested in trying it then go for it.

Bit pricey the last time i heard though.

But maybe someone will totally contradict me and say they found it brilliant.

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:55 PM

Having a bad day today, Rob?

**Prince** · 02-11-2003, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
In all fairness, i was serious.

Most cases where i have seen that people have used it, they've said it paled in comparison to other brands.

I've not used it myself, but if you're interested in trying it then go for it.

Bit pricey the last time i heard though.

But maybe someone will totally contradict me and say they found it brilliant.

what brands? Avant Labs?

cause according to their website they have discontinued all of their products like One+.

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Well, avantlabs, the company run by Billy Lwelleyn (forgotten the name, molecular mass?) and ergopharm.

These are pretty much the standard of the PH industry right now.

If you want to get some avantlabs, try 1fast400. There's a bit of a backup i believe, of avantlabs products that need selling off.

But instead of PH's, don't you think you need to look into beta-blockers or seritonnin boosters?

You need to calm your finger from clicking the delete button.

**Mudge** · 02-11-2003, 12:59 PM

Since with any industry its hard to know what the truth is without user feedback, I wont repeat whats been said

Robboe · 02-11-2003, 12:59 PM

Or anti-depressants to chill with the snap responses.

**Prince** · 02-11-2003, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Since with any industry its hard to know what the truth is without user feedback...

agreed, that's all I was asking for in the first place.

PB&J · 02-11-2003, 05:39 PM

I did a search and found this

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ighlight=mag10 (Ergopharm 1-AD or Mag-10?)

hope it helps.

Gopro said to try it. I have also read on a few different forums, it gets mixed reviews. Most people bash it because of Biotest's attitude, but the people that actually use it say it's good.

SeVenSinZ · 02-12-2003, 11:31 AM

1-AD is better. I had great gains on that. I'm now on a cycle of
1-TU from Nutrex that is giving me good results. If I had to pick between the two I think I'd stick with the 1-AD in conjunction with 4AD.

**Prince** · 02-12-2003, 12:21 PM

are you talking about 1-AD from ErgoPharm?

SeVenSinZ · 02-12-2003, 08:19 PM

Yes Prince - 1-AD from ErgoPharm .. I had great gains and kept them after the cycle.

Zoile · 02-28-2003, 09:23 AM

Mixed reviews on MAG10 but for 1AD got to be Ergopharm all the way.

Mikes1 · 02-28-2003, 11:45 AM

I tried it once, and i gained 8-9 pounds in 2 weeks, without changing anything in my diet except of 1 serving of nlarge.
The strength gains weren't what i expected.
I just finished a cycle of super 1 plus from 1fast400 and i gained 16 pounds with a crappy diet. I really liked the strength gains.
My next cycle will be vpx 1 test and eq and i hope it gives me some lean gains.

Mike

Wolfpack22 · 03-01-2003, 02:58 PM

How much hair loss are you guys incurring? I don't think gaining 10 pds is worth noticeable hair loss.

SeVenSinZ · 03-01-2003, 04:55 PM

I didn't have any noticable hairloss..the only thing noticable was the gains and if your going to do more than one cycle then its a more than 10lbs gained..I'm on my third cycle in 15 months and I started at 215 and today weighed in at 243..I pushed 100lb dumbells for 6 reps today for incline presses which was a first. I do the 1-AD and Biotest 4AD-EC. Its been the best stack for me yet.

**Prince** · 03-01-2003, 06:12 PM

So SeVenSinZ, you have gained 28lbs in 15 months. How much would you say is LBM?

SeVenSinZ · 03-01-2003, 08:22 PM

Most of it PriNcE.. I eat a lot and eat right. The key on Ph's is to eat .. I do three - four protein shakes throughout the day and evening along with a lot of chicken and rice dishes. When I got sick of that I would toss in some lean beef and veggies and baked potatoes. My shakes consist of 2 scoops of Prolab N Large 2 and two scoops of Muscle Milk protein powder or 2 scoops of Muscle Milk and half an envelope of myoplex...My experience is that the PH helps sheds bodyfat .. One hour before workouts I take one and only one AST Dymetadrine Xtreme.. Hope i've explained myself. And once again..the best stack out of the three for me has been the biotest 4AD-EC and Ergopharm 1-AD. my workouts are heavy and intense. I startout with 2 - warmup sets 15 reps and 10 reps and then pyramid up until I hit 6 reps. I do a couple of 6 rep sets and then finish with a 10 rep flush set and then move on to the next exercise and do the same minus the warmups. I always pyramid and always finish with a high rep flush set. Works wonders for me. Do it for a month prince and I'll bet you make more than 10lb gains and most of it will be lean mass

Sauron · 03-02-2003, 05:24 PM

SeVenSinZ, what were your dosages of each and duration?

SeVenSinZ · 03-02-2003, 07:19 PM

I always go on 6 weeks cycles. The first cycle was 1-Ad and 19Nor. One of each in the morning and at night. Always 4 protein shakes a day from morning to night. I'm convinced that protein is huge during PH cycles and I don't think most people get enough. After the 6 week cycle I do at least 6 weeks, sometimes 8 weeks with no PH. The second cycle was 1-ad and 19nor 3 times a day..The third has been my best and thats 1-ad with Biotest 4ad-ec. The Biotest you take one and half capfuls a day for two weeks cycles. I take the 1-ad 3 times a day still. i've got great gains with this dosage. I've never had to take more for good gains. I think the guys taking 6-9 are wasting money. On my weekend workouts I take AST Dymtadrine Xtreme one hour before workouts. I also take my Ph's an hour and a half before workouts. A shake immediately after workout and then food an hour or two later. Hope I've helped, I know your probably expecting higher dosages based off all the threads you read, but i've never needed them. I think adding the Dymetadrine Xtreme helps me lift more weight and at the same time keep bodyfat down..If your just starting go with the third cycle..

Sauron · 03-03-2003, 06:42 PM

Thanks man, thats great info. I was expecting larger doses, but its interesting to see you stayed within or less than the recommended doses. I'll consider the Dymtadrine Xtreme. I guess that just kind of fires you up for your lift.
I'm currently in my fourth week of a 6 week 1-AD cycle. For the six weeks I've decided to go with two workouts a day, 4 days a week to increase my gains. I like the 1-AD but am also thinking of ways to maximize it like with the 4AD-ec.
Thanks for the info.

cLOS · 06-06-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

has anyone used this product?

feedback please?

hey whats up. if you get any feed back on this mag10 by biotest please let me know. i want to know if it works or if any side effects.

02-11-2003, 12:11 PM	#1
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02-11-2003, 12:31 PM	#2
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Isn't it just a 1 Test product? I believe so. If you want so great feedback just go to their website. Most other places their feedback really sucks. Pick a better brand. www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

02-11-2003, 12:36 PM	#3
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	I've yet to hear positive comments about it. other than from T-mag employees. Being held down by The Man

02-11-2003, 12:37 PM	#4
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Oh, except for Duque21. But his opinions are disregarded. Being held down by The Man

02-11-2003, 12:54 PM	#6
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	In all fairness, i was serious. Most cases where i have seen that people have used it, they've said it paled in comparison to other brands. I've not used it myself, but if you're interested in trying it then go for it. Bit pricey the last time i heard though. But maybe someone will totally contradict me and say they found it brilliant. Being held down by The Man

02-11-2003, 12:55 PM	#7
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Having a bad day today, Rob? Being held down by The Man

02-11-2003, 12:58 PM	#9
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Well, avantlabs, the company run by Billy Lwelleyn (forgotten the name, molecular mass?) and ergopharm. These are pretty much the standard of the PH industry right now. If you want to get some avantlabs, try 1fast400. There's a bit of a backup i believe, of avantlabs products that need selling off. But instead of PH's, don't you think you need to look into beta-blockers or seritonnin boosters? You need to calm your finger from clicking the delete button. Being held down by The Man

02-11-2003, 12:59 PM	#10
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,474 Photos: 1	Since with any industry its hard to know what the truth is without user feedback, I wont repeat whats been said Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

02-11-2003, 05:39 PM	#13
PB&J Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Over there! Posts: 361	I did a search and found this http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ighlight=mag10 (Ergopharm 1-AD or Mag-10?) hope it helps. Gopro said to try it. I have also read on a few different forums, it gets mixed reviews. Most people bash it because of Biotest's attitude, but the people that actually use it say it's good.

02-12-2003, 11:31 AM	#14
SeVenSinZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 16	1-AD is better. I had great gains on that. I'm now on a cycle of 1-TU from Nutrex that is giving me good results. If I had to pick between the two I think I'd stick with the 1-AD in conjunction with 4AD.

02-12-2003, 12:21 PM	#15
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,397 Photos: 356	are you talking about 1-AD from ErgoPharm? BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

02-12-2003, 08:19 PM	#16
SeVenSinZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 16	Yes Prince - 1-AD from ErgoPharm .. I had great gains and kept them after the cycle.

02-28-2003, 09:23 AM	#17
Zoile Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 39	Mixed reviews on MAG10 but for 1AD got to be Ergopharm all the way.

02-28-2003, 11:45 AM	#18
Mikes1 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 130	I tried it once, and i gained 8-9 pounds in 2 weeks, without changing anything in my diet except of 1 serving of nlarge. The strength gains weren't what i expected. I just finished a cycle of super 1 plus from 1fast400 and i gained 16 pounds with a crappy diet. I really liked the strength gains. My next cycle will be vpx 1 test and eq and i hope it gives me some lean gains. Mike

03-01-2003, 02:58 PM	#19
Wolfpack22 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NC Posts: 107	How much hair loss are you guys incurring? I don't think gaining 10 pds is worth noticeable hair loss.

03-02-2003, 05:24 PM	#23
Sauron grasshopper Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East coast Posts: 23	SeVenSinZ, what were your dosages of each and duration? ][\\][ (()) ][_ ][ ][\\//][ ][ ']['

03-01-2003, 04:55 PM	#20
SeVenSinZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 16	I didn't have any noticable hairloss..the only thing noticable was the gains and if your going to do more than one cycle then its a more than 10lbs gained..I'm on my third cycle in 15 months and I started at 215 and today weighed in at 243..I pushed 100lb dumbells for 6 reps today for incline presses which was a first. I do the 1-AD and Biotest 4AD-EC. Its been the best stack for me yet.

03-01-2003, 06:12 PM	#21
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,397 Photos: 356	So SeVenSinZ, you have gained 28lbs in 15 months. How much would you say is LBM? BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

03-01-2003, 08:22 PM	#22
SeVenSinZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 16	Most of it PriNcE.. I eat a lot and eat right. The key on Ph's is to eat .. I do three - four protein shakes throughout the day and evening along with a lot of chicken and rice dishes. When I got sick of that I would toss in some lean beef and veggies and baked potatoes. My shakes consist of 2 scoops of Prolab N Large 2 and two scoops of Muscle Milk protein powder or 2 scoops of Muscle Milk and half an envelope of myoplex...My experience is that the PH helps sheds bodyfat .. One hour before workouts I take one and only one AST Dymetadrine Xtreme.. Hope i've explained myself. And once again..the best stack out of the three for me has been the biotest 4AD-EC and Ergopharm 1-AD. my workouts are heavy and intense. I startout with 2 - warmup sets 15 reps and 10 reps and then pyramid up until I hit 6 reps. I do a couple of 6 rep sets and then finish with a 10 rep flush set and then move on to the next exercise and do the same minus the warmups. I always pyramid and always finish with a high rep flush set. Works wonders for me. Do it for a month prince and I'll bet you make more than 10lb gains and most of it will be lean mass Last edited by SeVenSinZ : 03-01-2003 at 08:50 PM.

03-02-2003, 07:19 PM	#24
SeVenSinZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 16	I always go on 6 weeks cycles. The first cycle was 1-Ad and 19Nor. One of each in the morning and at night. Always 4 protein shakes a day from morning to night. I'm convinced that protein is huge during PH cycles and I don't think most people get enough. After the 6 week cycle I do at least 6 weeks, sometimes 8 weeks with no PH. The second cycle was 1-ad and 19nor 3 times a day..The third has been my best and thats 1-ad with Biotest 4ad-ec. The Biotest you take one and half capfuls a day for two weeks cycles. I take the 1-ad 3 times a day still. i've got great gains with this dosage. I've never had to take more for good gains. I think the guys taking 6-9 are wasting money. On my weekend workouts I take AST Dymtadrine Xtreme one hour before workouts. I also take my Ph's an hour and a half before workouts. A shake immediately after workout and then food an hour or two later. Hope I've helped, I know your probably expecting higher dosages based off all the threads you read, but i've never needed them. I think adding the Dymetadrine Xtreme helps me lift more weight and at the same time keep bodyfat down..If your just starting go with the third cycle..

03-03-2003, 06:42 PM	#25
Sauron grasshopper Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East coast Posts: 23	Thanks man, thats great info. I was expecting larger doses, but its interesting to see you stayed within or less than the recommended doses. I'll consider the Dymtadrine Xtreme. I guess that just kind of fires you up for your lift. I'm currently in my fourth week of a 6 week 1-AD cycle. For the six weeks I've decided to go with two workouts a day, 4 days a week to increase my gains. I like the 1-AD but am also thinking of ways to maximize it like with the 4AD-ec. Thanks for the info. ][\\][ (()) ][_ ][ ][\\//][ ][ ']['

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