What brand of Casein protein?

**Karlito** · 03-12-2003, 04:31 PM

Most of my shakes are whey and water with Flax Seed oil, but I was told recently that for my 8:30 pm shake I should use Casein protein as it's slower to digest.....

What brands do people recommend? Please note I'd like to find it in a jug, NOT in packs, as I find the latter usually rip you off and cost too much....

**Prince** · 03-12-2003, 04:56 PM

well, you could just use milk.

**Karlito** · 03-12-2003, 04:58 PM

Well I have been mixing Whey with Skim milk but people tell me that's not a good idea at night.....One person claims just Whey in Water is fine, another claims Casein protein is the best choice for a late night protein shake? (I know I could eat cottage cheese, but I'm looking for a powder here)

**Prince** · 03-12-2003, 05:01 PM

I have been meaning to buy an additional protein powder for my late night shake as well, but I have not yet, so I just mix a scoop of whey powder with 2% milk and some flax.

**Twin Peak** · 03-12-2003, 05:15 PM

Buy it from proteincustomizer.com.

He sells it wholesale, by the pounds. Can add other proteins for a custom blend if you like. I just got some 50% micellar protein, 25% milk, 25% egg for nighttime.

**gopro** · 03-12-2003, 05:38 PM

You can do what TP said or if you want "name brand" proteins with good casein in it:

-PRO PEPTIDE
-PRO FUSION
-ISOMATRIX
-GROW
-MICELLEAN

All are protein blends with micellar casein

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by gopro
You can do what TP said or if you want "name brand" proteins with good casein in it:

-PRO PEPTIDE
-PRO FUSION
-ISOMATRIX
-GROW
-MICELLEAN

All are protein blends with micellar casein

Good point...my thinking is though, why pay for a brand name ( particularly as we know they constantly try to rip us off somehow ) and for the distribution costs, advertising etc??

With someone like proteincustomizer.com you cut all those costs and get what you pay for.

**ZECH** · 03-12-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by kuso
Good point...my thinking is though, why pay for a brand name ( particularly as we know they constantly try to rip us off somehow ) and for the distribution costs, advertising etc??

With someone like proteincustomizer.com you cut all those costs and get what you pay for.

Yeah if their label claims are up to par............At one point, protein factory was not.

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by dg806
Yeah if their label claims are up to par............At one point, protein factory was not.

Thats true, though rarely are those of the reputable companies too!

So once again, it comes down to price.

**ZECH** · 03-12-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by kuso
Thats true, though rarely are those of the reputable companies too!

So once again, it comes down to price.

I agree!

**MeanCuts** · 03-12-2003, 07:33 PM

Yeah like Prince said milk has casein

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 07:46 PM

Has sugar too.

**MeanCuts** · 03-12-2003, 07:52 PM

He didn't say sugar was a problem besides if you go non-fat there isn't that much sugar

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by MeanCuts
He didn't say sugar was a problem besides if you go non-fat there isn't that much sugar

If its his final shake for the night one would assume he doesn`t want to be taking in sugar.

And non-fat milk still contains sugar.

**MeanCuts** · 03-12-2003, 08:24 PM

Well now that i looked it up all milk has the same amount of carbs according to the labels and that's 13 carbs per cup(9g of protein per cup for non-fat) so i guess the carbs might add up if you drank a lot.

**Prince** · 03-12-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by kuso
If its his final shake for the night one would assume he doesn`t want to be taking in sugar.

why is that?

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Prince
why is that?

As I said, an assumption. If he is worried about the skim milk as it is ( his second post ) then I assume he is worried of cals etc...hense I guess he`s cutting.

**Prince** · 03-12-2003, 11:04 PM

Paul Delia's Q & A

Q: Why do so many bodybuilders avoid milk?

A: Because somehow they have been mislead into thinking milk is bad for them. Milk is an incredible source of protein, high in calcium, maganesium, zinc and loaded with important B vitamins. Milk makes protein shakes creamier and taste better. I firmly believe that milk should be in every bodybuilder’s stable.

Milk should not be avoided; however, you should limit your milk intake to fat free - skim milk. This way you will get the goodness milk provides without the fat.

8 ounces of skim milk contains 88 calories, 9 grams of protein, and 13 carbohydrates. No fat. Skim milk has a low glycemic index of 32.

8 ounces of whole milk contains about 10 grams of fat. This can add up quickly and is why I recommend avoiding it. However, those with very fast metabolisms that require higher caloric intakes can take advantage of the extra calories whole milk provides.

You can split the difference and use 2% milk, which contains approximately 5 grams of fat per 8 ounces. 1% contains 3 grams of fat per 8 ounces.

**kuso** · 03-12-2003, 11:17 PM

So, what caused the turn around??

got milk?

Originally posted by Prince
just keep in mind the high sugar content in milk.

Too many calories???

Originally posted by Prince
you might want to drop some or all of that milk if you're trying to get leaner.

And of course this entire thread

Anyway, even though I believe its totals in vs out that count, I still wouldn`t want 13carbs in my final meal before bed.

Here`s a couple of thoughts on it from mercola too.

**MeanCuts** · 03-13-2003, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by kuso
As I said, an assumption. If he is worried about the skim milk as it is ( his second post ) then I assume he is worried of cals etc...hense I guess he`s cutting.

He's only worried because people are telling to worry and in my opinion if he ain't cutting it won't hurt him a bit and will probably help more than just adding casein powder.

**kuso** · 03-13-2003, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by MeanCuts
He's only worried because people are telling to worry and in my opinion if he ain't cutting it won't hurt him a bit and will probably help more than just adding casein powder.

And that is an assumption on your part

**MeanCuts** · 03-13-2003, 06:25 AM

Karlito why did you post this question in two different forums?

**MeanCuts** · 03-13-2003, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by kuso
And that is an assumption on your part

Right didn't you get the "in my opinion part"?

**kuso** · 03-13-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by MeanCuts
Right didn't you get the "in my opinion part"?

Didn`t you get the wink?

**MeanCuts** · 03-13-2003, 06:32 AM

Nope sorry still early for me

**kuso** · 03-13-2003, 06:40 AM

lol...getting too late for me.

**Twin Peak** · 03-13-2003, 06:50 AM

I have to agree with Kuso 100%.

1) If you are not cutting and don't have problems with storing too much fat, milk is not bad.

2) When trying to cut, unless you have a very speedy metabolism, milk IS NOT the most efficient source of any nutriet, macro or micro. By "efficient" I mean amount of the nutrient in versus amount of total calories (as Kuso said, total in versus total out is the most critical element in diet).

3) Some people have trouble digesting milk and find that elimination of it can quickly lead to lipolysis (ask Butterfly for an anecdotal opinion).

4) Paul Delia's comments are either completely out of context or assinine, or both. His point about drinking skim versus whole is a prime example of "fat fear" and sugar ignorance. At bedtime, you are far better consuming fat with your protein (to slow nightime absorption) than you are with sugar.

5) The only difference between skim and whole milk (on a macro level) is fat. Sugar is the same.

**MeanCuts** · 03-13-2003, 07:08 AM

Assuming your not on a low carb diet.Why would it be better to comsume fat over carbs at night while cutting?

**Twin Peak** · 03-13-2003, 07:15 AM

Please read this carefully:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I have to agree with Kuso 100%.

1) If you are not cutting and don't have problems with storing too much fat, milk is not bad.

....

4) Paul Delia's comments are either completely out of context or assinine, or both. His point about drinking skim versus whole is a prime example of "fat fear" and sugar ignorance. At bedtime, you are far better consuming fat with your protein (to slow nightime absorption) than you are with sugar.

**gopro** · 03-13-2003, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by dg806
Yeah if their label claims are up to par............At one point, protein factory was not.

EXACTLY!

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