Thread: best supplement

Good quality food!!!!!!

I have to agree with DG there

Agree,good food is the best and a good multiple vitamin if your not taking one already

is there anything else plus a good diet

Originally posted by titans13ae
is there anything else plus a good diet

If your looking for the words of "1 Test", "Prohormones", "test precursors" or "steroids" are not recommended because of your age. Steroids should not be considered for you because a waste due to your body's own production of Testosterone and risk of health.

is andro a pro hormone

Other than creatine, glut and protein I have to agree with everyone else here that go with food. If you are eating good food and supplementing with those supplement the right way you should be seen results, no need for anything else at that age…

Originally posted by titans13ae
is andro a pro hormone

Don’t waste your money in andro it’s junk. You’ll get better results with just protein and creatine alone than using that crap.

definitely what KATA said put with a bold period at the end of the sentence!!!

If you gonna fuck with Andro don't fuck with Dione but Diol good such as 4 diol

Originally posted by KataMaStEr
Don’t waste your money in andro it’s junk. You’ll get better results with just protein and creatine alone than using that crap.

This is such an uninformed statement it is scary.

A lot of guys know that food is the best way to build mass but still wants short cut. Short cut or no short cut you better starts to eat and eat until the bathroom says I am sick of your ass.

Originally posted by titans13ae
what do yall think is the best supplement for 19 year olds, to gain mass
other than creatine, glut, and protein

The only other supplement I would suggest is a multi-vitamin.


But here is the real key(s):

1.) Proper diet/nutrition (quality food, adequate protein & calories)
2.) Proper training program
3.) Adequate rest/recovery

Originally posted by Prince
The only other supplement I would suggest is a multi-vitamin.


But here is the real key(s):

1.) Proper diet/nutrition (quality food, adequate protein & calories)
2.) Proper training program
3.) Adequate rest/recovery

I would agree if you add protein and MRPs, and dextrose, unless you don't consider that a supplement.

yeah, well he said in his original post "besides protein".

I guess I sort of lump MRP's and Bars together with/as "protein".

Originally posted by Twin Peak
This is such an uninformed statement it is scary.

Well why don’t you lead by example and tell him, you way smarter than everyone here so there is no way little me can argue with that

Originally posted by titans13ae
is andro a pro hormone

andro is a prohormone. and my stance on you taking it is that if your not even sure that its a hormone, you obviously don't understand the risks of it enough to be making a responsible decisions. there are prohormones like norandro that will yield the same or better results with less side effects. andro is old news. put in 3 good years of lifting before you think about andro, if you eat your ass off for three years and lift right, and you dont put on weight, give up on bodybuilding.

Originally posted by RCfootball87
...if you eat your ass off for three years and lift right, and you dont put on weight, give up on bodybuilding.

you're being sarcastic, right?

Originally posted by david
If your looking for the words of "1 Test", "Prohormones", "test precursors" or "steroids" are not recommended because of your age. Steroids should not be considered for you because a waste due to your body's own production of Testosterone and risk of health.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. I don't care how much testosterone a teenager is producing at his peak or otherwise, it will never reach a level which you can reach with exogenous testosterone administration.

The whole "Your young and producing lots of test, so a steroid/PH/PS is worthless" is complete bullshit.

I do agree however, that if a newbie is just trying to cut corners and doesn't know shit about androgens, he should not be using them. Thats how stupid people die and then the whole supplement industry comes under fire.

Originally posted by Prince
you're being sarcastic, right?

what do you mean? i know that if he does eat right and lift for three years, he should gain SOMETHING. if your nineteen years of age, creatine is fine, but andro isn't, and he should probably take norandro anyways, less side effects.

I meant you're being sarcastic about telling him to give up on bodybuilding if he does gain any weight. ???

Because I would never tell someone to give up if they were not making progress, instead I would advise that they try and figure out what they're doing wrong.

Originally posted by Yanick
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I don't care how much testosterone a teenager is producing at his peak or otherwise, it will never reach a level which you can reach with exogenous testosterone administration.

The whole "Your young and producing lots of test, so a steroid/PH/PS is worthless" is complete bullshit.

I have a question for you!

Your 18 year old son starts using steroids and you find out about it. Do you ask him if he knows what he's doing, if so it's okay?

Or do you do try and stop him or convince him that it's not in his best interest, etc.?

Originally posted by Prince
I meant you're being sarcastic about telling him to give up on bodybuilding if he does gain any weight. ???

Because I would never tell someone to give up if they were not making progress, instead I would advise that they try and figure out what they're doing wrong.

i wouldn't say it to someone who is struggling either. i told him to lift naturally for three years or so and see what he can get first. i didn't mean "give up bodybuilding" in a literal since. alright let me rephrase this: "if you lift right and eat right for three years, and no matter what you can't put on muscle, then maybe BBing isn't your sport." of course if that actually did happen, which is usually wouldn't unless he had an extremely high metabolism, then id try to help him get bigger. but if he did take that advice, and got some help from some people that new what they were talking about about nutrition and lifting, he'd probably put on some good weight 9 out of 10 times. i hope that rant made some sense.

okay, that sounds better.

But it's still healthy and beneficial to lift weights regardless if you ever get bigger. I have a friend that has been lifting weights since he was 15 years old (we started lifting together) and he is still the same size now as he was when he was 18. But he is healthy, lean strong, his muscle are "toned", and he likes to lift weights, it's just part of his lifestyle. You probably would not even know that he lifted weights unless you trained with him, then you would be amazed at his strength comapred to his size.


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Originally posted by Prince
I have a question for you!

Your 18 year old son starts using steroids and you find out about it. Do you ask him if he knows what he's doing, if so it's okay?

Or do you do try and stop him or convince him that it's not in his best interest, etc.?

Prince, first, Yanick IS 18.

Second, I think his point was simply that the previous statement was misinformed. Indeed he is correct. If you want to disuade a teen from using (a good idea) you should do so (by You, btw, I mean the generic you) by valid arguments, not scare tactics. The fact is that PHs will not screw up a teen any more or less than an "adult."

As well, no teen has hormone levels that will reach that of PH use. This was his only point, and not that teens should go wild using steroids and PHs.

As to Kata, that's one helluvan intelligent statement.

My point being, if you are going to speak, check out the facts before you do so. For several years now, it is WELL documented that various andro type products DO work, more effectively than anyone would have thought.

Your statement reflected the state of affairs at least three years ago when androstendione was the only andro available.

So, my point was, you blanketly perpetuated wrong information with out checking the facts. I breif search on IM would have shown you many examples of people using PHs to achieve magnificent LBM and strength gains.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Prince, first, Yanick IS 18.

Second, I think his point was simply that the previous statement was misinformed. Indeed he is correct. If you want to disuade a teen from using (a good idea) you should do so (by You, btw, I mean the generic you) by valid arguments, not scare tactics. The fact is that PHs will not screw up a teen any more or less than an "adult."

LMAO! I did not realize that. Yanick is just a youngster.

Well, we do know that steroids in teens can cause growth plates to close, which that alone is reason to avoid them.

As far as the endocrine system, I agree teen or adult it does not matter much.

Originally posted by Prince
LMAO! I did not realize that. Yanick is just a youngster.

Well, we do know that steroids in teens can cause growth plates to close, which that alone is reason to avoid them.

As far as the endocrine system, I agree teen or adult it does not matter much.

Aha! But that was not used by the comment Yan was criticizing. So, in the end, you agree with what Yanick wrote?

oh yeah, I post so damn much I forget what was said!

okay, re-read Yanick's post.

I agree with what he said, it just seemed like he was implying that it was okay for teens to use AS and PH, and I do not think it is. Even if the teen is educated and has several years of serious training, I still think it's too young.

A normal male teen definitely will have elevated T levels, and with proper diet and training they can achieve great results. I think people are just saying that they should take advatage of this natural time cause it's pretty much all downhill from 18 for a male. They should see what their genetics are capable of before they start playing with their hormones.

And no, a teen's T levels will not be as high as one can get with pharmacueticals, not even close.