Thread: AI Post Cycle Support

well i m gonna use a test booster this september
i m thinking to try this,and stack it with daa

BUT fisrt,i must ask,can i take it with no cycle before??

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Q. Can I take Post cycle support even if I have never used
any PH, AAS, or other hormonal products?
A. Yes. Post
Cycle support can be used at any point to help accomplish your fitness goals.

Originally Posted by nikos_

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Q. Can I take Post cycle support even if I have never used
any PH, AAS, or other hormonal products?
A. Yes. Post Cycle support can be used at any point to help accomplish your fitness goals.

What are your fitness goals?

my goals for this sesson are
maintain mass,
perhaps gain 5-6 more pounds

gain strengh

and even more endurance and stamina,for the sports :running,swimming etc

Some bulk DAA powder will probibly be nice run that for like 8-10weeks.
not sure about thwe product you mention, but looks like it may add to gains.

Checkout these out. You could attack them for better results:

FormaSurge: http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/formasurge.html

That's got Formestane and Resveratrol in it.

EndoSurge: http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/b...-180-caps.html

This is one of the best test boosters that just flat out works!

Or you could do the DAA instead of the EndoSurge: http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/a...ms-powder.html

u suggest to use these with the PCS?

Use a combo or FormaSurge/EndoSurge or FormaSurge/DAA instead of the Post Cycle Support. PCS is a good supplement but won't produce the gains you want as far as strength and muscle mass. As for endurance, only more practice at your sport will help with that.

i doubt
with first look i see only 42mg of Resveratrol
and i think i don't need the aromatase inhibitor

the EndoSurge,i can't see it's use,with mucuna and flax seed,also too expensive for those nutritients IMO

Uhh, looks like you need to do A LOT more research if you think that these products won't do anything for you and you believe that PCS will.

i contact with the company
they told that this is to use after a cycle,when estrogens are high
and they recomend me to use daa and testo pro

You need to do more independent research instead of following exactly what a company says. I'm a rep for Orbit, part of my job is knowing about the supplements we have available and being able to recommend them to people based on individual goals.

after using a tese booster.
i need any estrogen blocker???


i think i don't but i m not sure

No, you stack the two of them.

for daa and testopro i need an estrogen blocker?

Your looking at it in the terms of steroid use and an on cycle AI. Formestane has other uses than an on cycle AI. Formestane at a higher dose converts over to a PH, but for what I'm talking about we will use the simplistic thinking and use as a normal supplement. Formestane is a suicidal AI. What does an AI do? Blocks conversion to estrogen. In the terms of this application that means more natural test available in your body. Formestane also helps you drop water weight because your lowering estrogen and because your lower estrogen that means you burn more fat. Throw DAA or EndoSurge in there, both test boosting products, means even more free test to use for muscle building. In addition to the test boosting power of EndoSurge it has an insane amount of l-dopa which also fights prolactin in the body. Resveratrol has a number of uses send I'm not going to get into them all.

There are several logs going on at Anabolic Minds for FormaSurge. 1 is stacked with DAA and three other with EndoSurge. I suggest you check them out..

FormaSurge:

BPS’ FormaSurge is the latest in transdermal supplements. With an advanced carrier that optimizes the ingredients involved, FormaSurge is the perfect product for people looking to control estrogen levels while boosting testosterone.  

The main active compound in FormaSurge is the aromatase inhibitor, Formestane. Aromatase is the enzyme which manufactures estrogen and by inhibiting it, users can lower and control the amount of estrogen in the body. Furthermore, being Formestane is a “suicide inhibitor,” estrogen levels will not rebound once application is discontinued. In addition to its affect on estrogen, Formestane has been shown to notably boost testosterone. 

The other prominent ingredient in FormaSurge is the powerful anti-oxidant, Resveratrol. Found in the skin of grapes, Resveratrol can increase natural testosterone production, lower estrogen levels, increase levels of adiponectin (a hormone produced to increase the use of fat for energy), and reduce levels of cholesterol. Additionally, Resveratrol has been shown to protect against the aging of skin cells, resulting in greater, younger looking skin. 

The downside of Formestane and Resveratrol is their poor oral bio-availability which requires large doses of each in order to be effective. Consistently ingesting a large quantity of ingredients can place unnecessary strain on one’s liver. However, because FormaSurge is a topical product, users don’t need to worry about this added strain. Also, when Formestane and Resveratrol are applied topically, the ingredients’ bio-availability increases greatly thanks to steroidal enzymes in the skin. 

FormaSurge users can expect to experience lean muscle gains, fat loss, and an increased libido. The benefits of FormaSurge are highly noticeable and can take any user’s training to the next level. Whether one is using FormaSurge by itself, while on cycle, or as a part of post-cycle therapy, results will surely be impressive

EndoSurge:

Increase Free Testosterone – Check

Free testosterone is the most important form of testosterone in the body. Testosterone can exist as free testosterone, the bioavailable and “useful” form for the body, as well as bound testosterone. One of these forms of bound testosterone is bound to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). When testosterone is bound to SHBG it can not be used by the body like unbound or free testosterone. It is essentially inactive. So even though your body may produce more testosterone on testosterone boosters it is important that FREE testosterone is increasing and available to be used by your body.

When it comes to increasing free testosterone there is only one ingredient that has been used over and over successfully – nettle root extract. This ingredient has the ability to bind to SHBG itself causing less testosterone to bind. The result? More testosterone left as FREE unbound testosterone in the body.

Our stinging nettle root extract is a high yield for 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran, the most active compound in nettle root. We offer a full ~1600 mg maximum dose of this ingredient at a month supply in every bottle!

Increase Total Testosterone – Check

So now you know how important free testosterone is and you know that EndoSruge will be working to free up more of your total testosterone into free testosterone. But now let’s make it even better. By increasing total testosterone there is more testosterone available in the body to be freed up by the process above.

EndoSurge contains Mucuna Pruriens, a proven and well research ingredient extracted for natural L-Dopa. While L-dopa has a number of powerful benefits itself it is important that both a high extract and low extract of MP is used. The high extract closely targets certain physiological effects in the body, while the lower extract more closely targets others and allows for better bioavailability of the higher extract. To get around these differences and to maximize all of the benefits of MP we used both.

MP has the ability to increase the body’s level of LH (luteinizing hormone). This hormone signals for the Leydig cells to produce more testosterone. More LH = more testosterone.

Increase HGH – Check

L-dopa, the key extract in Mucuna Pruriens, has been shown to increase HGH levels. We all know the importance of HGH not only in bodybuilding but for many anti aging benefits. This is again when having a mixture of both MP extracts is important.  The high yield extract is important for targeting an increase in HGH, and coupled with the lower yield extract it actually makes the high yield more bioavailable!

Decrease Prolactin – Check

No man likes prolactin. Prolactin is the libido killer. After an orgasm prolactin levels sky-rocket, immediately killing libido. Having high circulating prolactin levels throughout the day will decrease your libido as well. On top of that, popular supplement ingredients like DAA have been shown to increase prolactin production.

If you like having a libido, prolactin needs to be down! Lucky for you through the combination of MP extracts in EndoSurge your prolactin will stay DOWN and your libido UP.

Increase Libido – check

EndoSurge will undoubtedly increase ones libido. Through the combined pathways of increasing both free and total testosterone on top of decreasing prolactin, the combination of pathways is a force to be reckoned with!

No Propriety Blend – Check

Don’t bother with being unsure if you are getting enough of the essential ingredients in a formula. Taking a fraction of the amount of these ingredients is not going to give true results. You need the full and optimal dose. EndoSurge does not hide itself.

Month Supply – Check

You got it – 2 capsules 3 times per day, delivers the maximum and full dose of the powerful ingredients of this formula.

The supplement industry is full of testosterone boosters. Some contain magical ingredients and some contain huge blends of ingredients at undetermined amounts.

At BPS we aren’t trying to reinvent the wheel.  We are just here to put the parts together right.

P.S. Don't stack this with another product containing Nettle Root

as far as i know
someone needs AI's only if he uses aas

I'm not gonna talk to you about this anymore. Your not even listening. You have a preconceived notion that all things you know are correct and my experience and research is false. I hope whatever you choose works. Have a good day.

Originally Posted by tallguy34

You need to do more independent research instead of following exactly what a company says. I'm a rep for Orbit, part of my job is knowing about the supplements we have available and being able to recommend them to people based on individual goals.

Exactly! The word of the place selling it means the least.

Originally Posted by nikos_

as far as i know
someone needs AI's only if he uses aas

Anything with a hormonal effect could cause for the use/need of an AI, not just AAS!

Originally Posted by thane22

anything with a hormonal effect could cause for the use/need of an ai, not just aas!

thank you!!!!!

m8's
i m talking about a regular test booster here,nthg heavy

I never heard anyone complain about estrogen side effects while using TestoPro or Daa
have you???

Originally Posted by nikos_

m8's
i m talking about a regular test booster here,nthg heavy

I never heard anyone complain about estrogen side effects while using TestoPro or Daa
have you???

DAA yes! People gets sore nips all the time from that. But your missing the point I'm trying to make about Formestane use, I've tried explaining it and I've even provided the write up on it. Despite this you've still dismissed it all.

Also, this was addressed in 2 previous posts that I put in here. Please go back and re-read them. If there's something your not understanding then I'm more than happy to try and explain it better.

Originally Posted by nikos_

m8's
i m talking about a regular test booster here,nthg heavy

I never heard anyone complain about estrogen side effects while using TestoPro or Daa
have you???

almost anytime you raise your test you will raise your estrogen too.

what do you think about using Fenugreek as test booster?
a cheap one,5$ the 100 capsules