Thread: Avant Testers Take II

*holding hand over mouth*

No takers? Guess I'll have to test it myself....

TP....I would not be a likely candidate for this, since I have to force myself to eat, just a question, you said the LeptigenII would be out soon, do you have an approximate date???????

Not TP, but I work for Avant. Though dates continue to vacillate due to difficulty with sourcing one elusive ingredient, I would venture it will be ready within 1months' time.

Anorect-In?

Sounds too much like Anorexia!

An anorectic is anything "which causes loss of appetite." This is obviously the origin of the term Anorexia.

I completely understand your disdain for the word association, however we DO NOT wish to trivialize the seriousness with which we construe Eating Disorders or suggest that this product induces a state of "Anorexia" (as it is commonly used), as this is nothing to glorify.

As an employee for a supplement company in the bodybuilding business, I personally feel it *essential* to be sensitive to the corrosive effects and increasingly epidemical nature of eating disorders within our community.

Oh, I see...pardon le ignorance!

I'm glad YOU *care*

Welcome to IM

Thanks for the welcome

Oh, and having basically had an eating disorder at one point in my life, I can sincerely say that the issue, and the ways in which it effects people, means a tremendous amount to me.

It is a serious issue--one I will most likely address in an upcoming article in Mind and Muscle Magazine.

Will look for that article and thanks for sharing your personal life...

I'll give you an update when I finally get it done Could take awhile...

hey, I'm in. But i still want to be considered for the Leptigen II as well. I'm currently cutting using a carb cycling diet that TP has used with great success.

I'd be happy to be a beta tester for any of Avant Labs products.

Much better.

Anyone else? Bueller?

Originally posted by Twin Peak
No takers? Guess I'll have to test it myself....

I guess you'll have to!

Why don't you?

I don't like the idea of getting rid of my hunger pangs. If I do I may feel my plan isn't working. When my hunger goes away it ususally means it time for a tweak and that can range for 3-6 weeks. So for me taking away my hunger may mask the fact that I need a tweak. Don't know if that makes sense but I thought I would throw that in because it may be one of the reasons your not receiving as many responses. There are many of us here that use our hunger levels to know when to manipulate our diets.

Interesting strategy.

What is the pangs/cravings got so bad you thought you may break diet?

This product is ideal for such a situation.

I don't break my diet. Really, very rarely do I ever and its never due to hunger. I usually schedule my cheats. Thats why I know I wouldn't be a good test subject for this one. Now Leptigen II

You schedule your cheats? Damn you're good J! Seems to somehow contradict the term, though.

Originally posted by Jodi
I don't like the idea of getting rid of my hunger pangs. If I do I may feel my plan isn't working. When my hunger goes away it ususally means it time for a tweak and that can range for 3-6 weeks. So for me taking away my hunger may mask the fact that I need a tweak. Don't know if that makes sense but I thought I would throw that in because it may be one of the reasons your not receiving as many responses. There are many of us here that use our hunger levels to know when to manipulate our diets.

Very good point.

Originally posted by Jodi
I don't break my diet. Really, very rarely do I ever and its never due to hunger. I usually schedule my cheats. Thats why I know I wouldn't be a good test subject for this one. Now Leptigen II

If LG II works the way its supposed to, you won't have hunger much then either. Hunger comes from a variety of factors (Rob can explicate on this if he likes), but the most important, is leptin levels crashing.

Originally posted by lina
I guess you'll have to!

Why don't you?

Of course I will. But my opinions could be construed as biased, by those who don't know me.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Interesting strategy.

What is the pangs/cravings got so bad you thought you may break diet?

This product is ideal for such a situation.

Exactly. This is not intended to be used regularly, just when the need arises.

It will also have ancillary lipolytic effects.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Hunger comes from a variety of factors (Rob can explicate on this if he likes), but the most important, is leptin levels crashing.

Yeah, falling leptin signals all the hunger and craving stimulating hormone into overdrive.

So DV is the only one interested, is that correct?

Okay. DV -- email me your address, and such.

maybe this would be good for me? not sure if a supplement can "fix" my issue or not.

when i get on a roll - i can stick to my diet. but it has been MONTHS of me starting and slipping, starting and slipping. i can't seem to get more than 4 days without a cheat. i plan ahead. i vow to stick to it and i keep blowing it over and over with some dumb slip.

as for using hunger to judge when a tweak is in order - i think that would still work. you'd only take this when the hunger got really bad so you'd know when the hunger stopped still.

but i don't have to worry about any tweaks - i keep messing up before i get that far. not sure if it's hunger that's messing me up (i really think it is) or if i'm just a mental weakling lately. i want to think it's the hunger....

Originally posted by nikegurl
maybe this would be good for me? not sure if a supplement can "fix" my issue or not.

when i get on a roll - i can stick to my diet. but it has been MONTHS of me starting and slipping, starting and slipping. i can't seem to get more than 4 days without a cheat. i plan ahead. i vow to stick to it and i keep blowing it over and over with some dumb slip.

as for using hunger to judge when a tweak is in order - i think that would still work. you'd only take this when the hunger got really bad so you'd know when the hunger stopped still.

but i don't have to worry about any tweaks - i keep messing up before i get that far. not sure if it's hunger that's messing me up (i really think it is) or if i'm just a mental weakling lately. i want to think it's the hunger....

Actually, sounds like Leptigen II would be ideal for you, on a global system basis, but yes, Anorect-In is intended for OCCASSIONAL use, when a hunger pang/craving hits, and you want to deaden it, immediately.

Justin, I think we have found our second contestant. Thoughts?

I'm willing to try that's for sure. I've gone months in the past without cheating but I just can't seem to get in the groove this time around. I cook ahead. I plan my meals and then one day (usually only 3-4 days after my last fresh start) I give in when the hunger hits and just blow it.

I'm not liking myself too much lately. I'm really sick of this particular pattern. Seems like dieting should be harder after weeks and months of it but for me - it's the starting that's hardest.

Originally posted by nikegurl
I'm willing to try that's for sure. I've gone months in the past without cheating but I just can't seem to get in the groove this time around. I cook ahead. I plan my meals and then one day (usually only 3-4 days after my last fresh start) I give in when the hunger hits and just blow it.

I'm not liking myself too much lately. I'm really sick of this particular pattern. Seems like dieting should be harder after weeks and months of it but for me - it's the starting that's hardest.

I can identify with this, as can Steve I'm sure. I know the patterns--diet, become obsessed with food--break the diet, feel guilt, re-initiate pattern. I basically cannot go much more than 3days, when dieting, without sometype of refeed (large intake of carbs--cereal, fat free waffles, etc).

But one thing which may be of help in lessening how much you beat yourself up is the knowledge that what you/we are experiencing is a PHYSIOLOGICAL starvation response, not some type of mental depravity. Have you researched leptin and the notion of refeeds to any extent? If not, let me know, and I'll forward you some pertinent articles and threads which deal with what you are experiencing, and may help to put your mind at ease, at least somewhat.

Oh, and as Twinpeak suggested, you definitely seem an excellent candidate for testing of Anorect-IN, and Leptigen II when we release it.

The Leptigen sounds even more interesting to me.

I had success with an eating plan that had me eating 6 meals a day and under 30 g active carbs a day with a carb up every 4th day. I varied it after about 4-5 weeks were instead of carb ups I'd eat some active carbs daily (oatmeal, yam). I seemed to make better progress without daily carbs.

When I tried to go back to that eating plan I found I wasn't making it to day 4 before I'd slip and cheat. I am determined to get it this time.

I'm at 19% bodyfat and I want to get down 12-13% and stay there.

I give 110% effort in the gym and I don't skip or miss days. I do the planning needed to not mess up the diet but I still slip up lately.

I know my body fairly well and can monitor changes in appearence and energy levels. I'd be willing to do a very detail log etc.

If you need to know anything else - let me know. I'd really like to test the Leptigen II especially. I'm game for Anorect-IN if you or Twinpeak think it could help.

My current eating plan:

Meal 1
1/2 cup oatmeal
4 oz ground turkey breast
1 egg
3 egg whites

Meal 2
protein shake

Meal 3
can tuna
2 cups mixed greens
2 Tbs low cal dressing
4 oz yam

Meal 4
protein shake

Meal 5
5 oz chicken breast
1 cup veggie (cabbage, brocolli....)
flax

I thought having the daily oatmeal and yam would stop the slips. I still seem to falter every 3-4 days.

Last year I went like 4 months with only the tiniest rarest cheats. Haven't been that successful on this cut. I'm determined. I'm training hard. I'm preparing. It just isn't happening like it should though.

Thanks for the consideration