Thread: Best ephedrine-free thermogenic?

ive heard good things, but you'll have to try it for yourself. the reason ephedra has been pulled, come from the people who abuse a supplement

Originally posted by Tank316
the reason ephedra has been pulled, come from the people who abuse a supplement

Amen. Gotta love the media. And those who don't question it.

Jesus was a Jedi ? O-kay.

TP, I must agree....like lambs to the slaughter.
Ephedra is no more dangerous than clinical obesity, or smoking, or excessive/binge drinking. People need to dig a little deeper before having mis-information induced panic attacks.

Originally posted by DaMayor
Jesus was a Jedi ? O-kay.

TP, I must agree....like lambs to the slaughter.
Ephedra is no more dangerous than clinical obesity, or smoking, or excessive/binge drinking. People need to dig a little deeper before having mis-information induced panic attacks.

Sanity. Thank you.

I'd say less dangerous, then all of those things.

(Run for the hills, the Three Headed Ephedra Monster is coming)

Allow me to re-phrase that.....Less Dangerous ....and I would also like to retract excessive/binge drinking and replace this with Driving after excessive/binge drinking.

Back to the original topic.....
I have tried a certain ephedra-free product, which shall remain nameless, and found it to be as effective as a rubber shot-gun barrel. On the other hand, I have used the same product with ephedra, and found that it did fuel my workouts effectively...although I was a bit shakey...usually more talkative (if possible) afterwards.
With the exception of being told to shut up more frequently by my spouse, I am pleased to say that I am alive and well, and have not suffered from any cardiac related conditions, or loss of.......excuse me, I'm having a slight pain in my che..s...............ARGH! *collapses*

Let's clear thinks up, very few legal substances actually have "thermogenic" properties, so it is likely that any non-E based "thermogenic" is bunk.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Let's clear thinks up, very few legal substances actually have "thermogenic" properties, so it is likely that any non-E based "thermogenic" is bunk.

True.....at least, based on what I've read here, and other sites, those 'legal' substances...at least those from food/herbal sources, offer only a minimal thermogenic effect.
(TCD.... insert dry wit here)

I don't agree that Ephedra should be illegal/pulled from shelves. I think you should be able to take whatever you want at your own risk. At the same time, I don't blame him for not wanting to take it. I've sworn the stuff off myself due to some scary side effects. To each his own...

I used to take ephedra and thought it was o.k. now I have tried xenedrine-ephedra free and think it works just as well. just my two cents.

Originally posted by jasonbrunt
People can say what they want...but I will not take ephedra anymore for any reason, there is a reason it's about to be pulled off shelves!!

your right, there is a reason that it will be banned soon, because of morons like you who don't know shit about the supplement and make general, ignorant statements about how bad it is for you like this one. You obviously haven't done any reading for yourself and are going off what the general public thinks about it. there is NOTHING wrong with using ephedrine as a supp unless you have pre-existing conditions or you abuse it, which is true for most things. you may not like it, but don't make ignorants statements about things you know nothing about.

And then there is the other kind of moron that accuses someone else of being a moron for having a different opinion. easyb didn't exactly give you a lot of information about what they know, just that they know ephedra isn't for them.

There is a reason it's being pulled off shelves, sure it's about as lame as firestone tires being recalled (seriously, how many people died from that anyway? they were probably driving abusively or at least driving cars that had other pre-existing conditions). I'm not saying it's being pulled off for a good reason, but it's being pulled for a reason (maybe being pulled that is). Personally I've tried the stuff, I didn't like it, stuff made me extremely nausious (usually if I was even remotely hungry it'd get really bad), I saw someone recommend (I think Dr Pain but not 100%) to someone to spread out the dosage at more intervals during the day (so if a dose = 2 pills every 6 hours take 1 pill every 3 hours) which sounds like a good idea for possibly avoiding some of the sideeffects I had, and if I had seen any results from the use of ephedra other than feeling nausious on a regular basis I'd probably give that a try.

I wasn't saying anything was wrong with ephedra. I was just passing a note about something I tried other than ephedra that I thought was o.k. So I hope that that statement GR81 wrote after my comment wasn't intended for me.

Originally posted by easyb
I used to take ephedra and thought it was o.k. now I have tried xenedrine-ephedra free and think it works just as well. just my two cents.

I also have been using the xenedrine EFX Seems to be working for me also.
I think one of the most important things to remember about these thermogenics, with or with-out ephedrine, is to follow the directions on the bottle. Being in EMS I have responded on several calls where people have taken double or tripple the recomended dose and started getting tremors and severe tachycardia.
Remember, they put those directions on the bottle for a reason.

Hope this helps and didn't sound too much like I was preaching.

Sorry, I misread who the quote was from, it was actually jasonbrunt he called a moron... oops.

Not everyone has to like the supp, but to bad mouth it like he did and say it needs to be pulled off the shelve lets me know that he hasn't educated himself about ephedrine, and therefore is making ignorant uneducated statements. I'm am so tired of people talking about how bad it is and people blaming this supp for all the worlds problems. I could care less if this guys uses it or not, it just seems to be the new trend to put the spotlight on how it is killing athletes alll the time, which is not true. Look how many other every day items are responsible for many more deaths than ephedrine is. Bottom line: if you don't want to use ephedrine, than don't, but don't try to make it out to be some horrible drug that needs to be banned, b/c I use it responsibly and it is a valuable drug to me in many respects, and I don't want to have to go buy ephedrine on the black market or sneak it into the country. educate yourselves before you make descisions.

gr81...you talking about educated decisions makes me laugh. If you actually read my thread you would have seen the word "anymore". As in, I won't take it anymore! I didn't "bad-mouth" the product. I've taken hydroxycut and ripped fuel and I have had nothing but bad experiences. I followed directions and whenever I did anything active, my heart would race to the point of jumping out of my chest. I could care less about the media and some of you people(gr81) need to get lives instead of trolling message forums for people to hack on. I just asked people a question and hoped for some useful information in return. So much for that...

by the way...I am not obese, I don't smoke, and I don't drink...So why would I take something that is just as harmful?

First of all "gr8", jason didnt make any uneducated comments. He spoke of his personal opinion about a supplement. Isn't that part of the reason we come here and post? Personally, I dont see any value in a board where everyone feels the same way about everything. I can say from personal experience that Ephedra was very bad for ME. I have zero preexisting conditions which would put me at higher risk than anyone else, I used less than the recommended dosage, and didn't see side effects until several months after I started using it. I was getting heart palpitations so bad I seriously thought I was going to have a heart attack. I stopped using it and continued to have them for several weeks. Now after about a month off the stuff I'm feeling normal again. Does any of this mean it should be banned??? NO! Should I be able to post my experiences on this board without being attacked by the "outlaw ridahs" in the house who get off on slamming people who have different opinions. I think so!

Right on var!

Originally posted by jasonbrunt
People can say what they want...but I will not take ephedra anymore for any reason, there is a reason it's about to be pulled off shelves!!

I am sorry fellas, but this statement is irresponsible. It is filled with hyperbole, not opinion based on experience. It has a sense of "the sky is falling", not reasoned out opinion.

It is to this which I originally responded.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If he stated, in a well reasoned statement, that he is looking for an alternative because he tried it, and experienced effects he did not like, and stated, as a matter of fact, what they were, or that he did not wish to try it because he has heard that it may cause X, Y, and Z, then with this I would have not problem.

But to say it is bad "because there must be a reason...." is silly, immature, and irresponsible.

If the flaw in his statement was that he didn't state a valid reason for his feelings, Maybe we should ask him to clarify before bashing him. If he steps up and says, "I think Ephedra is bad because it kills baseball players". I'll shut up and even join in on the much deserved lashings. If he had bad experiences that led him to feel this way, I dont see what's silly, immature, or irresponsible about telling us how he feels about it.

Originally posted by jasonbrunt
by the way...I am not obese, I don't smoke, and I don't drink...So why would I take something that is just as harmful?

HA HA HA. How is it just as harmful as drinking or smoking, tell me please since you ARE educated about this, please I am dying for you to tell me. You all are taking my comments the wrong way. I am not just bashing him because he doesn't agree with me, I don't care if you like ephedrine or not, but I do care when people say that it needs to be pulled off the shelf and he doesn't have any type of info to back that statement up. If you don't like the supp, fine, I couldn't give less of a fuck if you do or not, but recognize that I have done the research and the reading and I am tired of people making statements about how bad it is when it they just personally don't like it. To each his own, don't take it if you don't want to, but it certainly doesn't need to be taken off the shelves. People just need to be responsible and listen to their bodies. As for VAR who obviously didn't read my posts, and thinks that I am just slamming people for fun, don't try to make me into some bad guy, I just don't want to listen to people bad mouth the drugs that I like so eat a dick up

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I am sorry fellas, but this statement is irresponsible. It is filled with hyperbole, not opinion based on experience. It has a sense of "the sky is falling", not reasoned out opinion.

It is to this which I originally responded.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If he stated, in a well reasoned statement, that he is looking for an alternative because he tried it, and experienced effects he did not like, and stated, as a matter of fact, what they were, or that he did not wish to try it because he has heard that it may cause X, Y, and Z, then with this I would have not problem.

But to say it is bad "because there must be a reason...." is silly, immature, and irresponsible.

I have to agree with this also................
And just because you have no pre-existing conditions doesn't mean ephedra will work for you. I know several people with no apparent pre-exist. conditions that cannot take it. That is why with any supp like this you must ease into it to assess your ability to take it. It also sounded to me that since he was having problems with it that it should be banned. If you are going to disagree with a product, you should state why it did not work for you. Anything less is misleading and bad information to everyone else!

^^^
Thank you! That is the only point I was trying to make.

Originally posted by Var
If the flaw in his statement was that he didn't state a valid reason for his feelings, Maybe we should ask him to clarify before bashing him. If he steps up and says, "I think Ephedra is bad because it kills baseball players". I'll shut up and even join in on the much deserved lashings. If he had bad experiences that led him to feel this way, I dont see what's silly, immature, or irresponsible about telling us how he feels about it.

It is his comment, without context, that makes it irresponisble in and of itself. It perpetuates falacy, and ignorance, as likely others will read it, again without context or reason, or logic, and further perpetuate such nonsense. Such is the nature of the internet.

State clearly why a product or a supplement does not work for you, poses danger, etc., or hold your tongue. Its really that simple.

"Man must cease attributing his problems to his environment, and learn again to exercise his will -- his personal responsibility."
Albert Schweitzer (1875 - 1965)

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