Thread: 1-Test

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Opinions vary. Many people on here I going to come on here and insist the one THEY use is the best! Truth is, many people have gotten awesome results with several different products. Here are the ones I have heard the best reports about in no particular order...

-VPX
-SAN
-Molecular Nutrition
-Biotest
-Avant

It also depends on what is best for you in terms of convenience/preference...topical, capsules, liquid.

I would go with a transdermal first, or maybe try 1-ad from ergopharm.

Originally posted by dg806
I would go with a transdermal first

I agree.

Try a cycle of each...measure results...decide for yourself.

Originally posted by gopro
Try a cycle of each...measure results...decide for yourself.

Each of the products? Gezz that would take about 2 years unless you are DG.

Besides, each cycle will be naturally less effective that the last if all else is equal, so what will this show?

I do not see how an oral could be superior to a transdermal.

Many medications are now taking advantage of this delivery system due to it's effectiveness, and (because of) the fact that it by-passes the digestive system.

The only issue I could see with a transdermal is for someone that is obese.

Originally posted by Prince
I do not see how an oral could be superior to a transdermal.

Many medications are now taking advantage of this delivery system due to it's effectiveness, and (because of) the fact that it by-passes the digestive system.

The only issue I could see with a transdermal is for someone that is obese.

It can't and isn't.

Obesity isn't an issue, it is the thickness of the skin. Once the dermis is penetrated, no problem.

That is why certain thin skinned areas are best for application.

That said, if you are clinicly obese, you probably should not be taking PHs.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
That said, if you are clinicly obese, you probably should not be taking PHs.

I agree, I only brought it up because there are other transdermal "medications" besides PH's.

True.

BTW, too clarify, some medications and PHs have very good oral bioavailability. When such is the case, transdermal application may not be any better, or may be worse, than the oral route.

Example: boldione (1, 4 andro).

Okay... Well, what's the difference between 1-Test & 4-Test???

There is no such thing as 4-Test.

There is 4-AD, which converts to testosterone, and esterfies, to some degree. It is more androgenic, than 1-Test, relative to its anabolic properties.

1-Test is a steroid and does not convert to anything. They make a potent stack together, particularly when bulking.

Originally posted by Xeldrine
Okay... Well, what's the difference between 1-Test & 4-Test???

4AD?

LMAO! Great minds think alike!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would go with 1-test by VPX or a transdermal 1-test. I have gained over 10 pounds on a 4 week cycle with both.

You certainly like VPX.

I sure do. I am with everyone else with their pricing, advertising, claims etc, but their products give great gains. I am lucky to own a supp store and get them very cheap. I was very pleased with transdermal "one", but had an unpleasant experience with my girlfriend. I applied it on my chest and later we were having relations and it burnt the shite out of her boobs. Needless to say I gave up trnasdermals. Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to explain my standpoint.

No, you're perfectly entitled to opinion.

By the way, you need to get some practise in, cause if you consider that a "rant" then you are playing a non-league standard.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
No, you're perfectly entitled to opinion.

By the way, you need to get some practise in, cause if you consider that a "rant" then you are playing a non-league standard.

Gotcha, just did not want to come off wrong. Take care.

To the above transdermal ''lovers" dg, tp, and prince...that is not necessarily a better delivery system. I have watch several guys gain more from orals and liquids than transdermals. I know that you'll argue, but it is what I have seen.

In fact, of those I have worked with that use these products, I have actually had the best "reviews" about oral caps!

I don't see how an oral 1-test can work better than a transdermal gopro.

Originally posted by Prince
I don't see how an oral 1-test can work better than a transdermal gopro.

It happens. The orals are very utilizable.

Originally posted by gopro
To the above transdermal ''lovers" dg, tp, and prince...that is not necessarily a better delivery system. I have watch several guys gain more from orals and liquids than transdermals. I know that you'll argue, but it is what I have seen.

In fact, of those I have worked with that use these products, I have actually had the best "reviews" about oral caps!

Oral what?

1-T?
4AD?
1,4 andro?
Nordiol?

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Oral what?

1-T?
4AD?
1,4 andro?
Nordiol?

Wait just a minute Rob.

You aren't implying that different compunds have different rates of oral bioavailability are you???

I mean, every compound in the world should be the same no?

And in every case, it would have better "utilizability" wouldn't it, then transderms?

I mean, it wouldn't matter what type of gel was used would it? All being the same and such....

I just had a question for anyone who knows. Is 4-AD more likely to give you excess estogen than say some sort of long term testosterone ester injected at a normal dose? In other words is 4-AD aromatise into estrogen easier because it is such a high spike of test and then it deminishes after a couple of hours, where as injected test will stay in your body constantly for a few weeks? Also does 4-ad when it converts into testosterone possibly convert into more estrogen than you would get if your were just shooting test at normal dose say around 250 mg/week?

Originally posted by Twin Peak


You aren't implying that different compunds have different rates of oral bioavailability are you???

Sure they do! No two compounds offer the same rate. Some may be around 15% and others like 1,4 is around 43%.

When I referred to oral caps before I was specifically talking about 1-Test, although 1-AD and 4-AD do well orally as well if delivered correctly.

I was not implying that transdermals are inferior, however, as they do work very well for some. I know it seems that transdermal delivery "should" work better for everyone than oral liquid or caps, but once again, in the real world it doesn't always play out that way.

When a version of injectible D-Bol came out everyone thought it would work even better than the pills. Never did...the orals always worked better.

Originally posted by dg806
Sure they do! No two compounds offer the same rate. Some may be around 15% and others like 1,4 is around 43%.

Not sure, but did you miss the </sarcasm> tag in TP's post?