Thread: Need a good prohormone stack???

I haven't tried them all, but I have tried a stack with San's A-100 with their T-100, it worked ok, but I had slightly better results with Molecular Nutritions 1-test stacked with their boldione. But as always, whatever works for me may not work for you. I'm going to do the M/N stack again, this time adding MRI's NO2, a decent creatine and Ergopharm's 1-AD. I've heard great things about stacking 1-AD with 1-test from alot of guys I know. I know 1-AD converts to 1-Test, so I don't know the science behind it, I've seen the results though. I may use San's V12 for the creatine, but I have to take in some carbs for the NO2, so after some research, I'll let you know

As we have been saying, the best stacks usually involve 1-Test or 1-AD, and either 4-AD or EQ type PH. You mentioned that you did great with the 1-Test you took, so I don't know why you would want to change. You can try stacking it with VPXs 4-AD or EQ, or Biotest's 4-AD, or 1Fast 400s 4-AD.

As for Mag 10, I have heard mostly positive things about it, so if you already have it, it is worth a try.

VPXs Syngex is an awesome product and had been getting rave reviews from those that have been using it (it is a 1-Test/4-AD combo).

And, as you know, many people like the transdermals from Avant labs (if you can still get them).

GoPro... You are like the Mensa of this site no? You are posted everywhere...

Anywho... I have a little tale to tell about San's A100 T100 and a couple of other products I have tried. Let me give you a little history first.

I was born a poor white child in a trailer park not far from.. nah just kidding...

I have been working out for umpteen years. I have tried tons of products over my tenure. Back in the day, I even tried a product (Can't remember the name was in a little blue box.. contained a lot of pills... and I really don't think it did much) I think the gains I got from that was because I was so hardcore of breaking through the skinny stick figure I was. At about the age of 18. Could not afford the gym yet, had carburetors to buy. But I worked out in my garage. Embarrassed the crap out of my mom by making her jump up on my back as I did calf raises out front on a yard timber. Anywho... Then came creatine. Now, for me it worked pretty well. I was urged to take this god awful stuff called 3 in 1 by the huge guy that owned the gym. It had creatine, and like.. gkg or something or other. NASTY... almost puked every time I choked it down. But did it anyway. And it worked pretty well. HMB first came out, sucked, spent too much on that crap. Then the dawn of pro-hormones. I forget the brand I tried, and I think my consistency held me back. I know it worked because I know my self and my body (intimately ) and my aggression was out of control.

Like I said I have tried so many routines and supplements and this is what I find is FACT. I say this from experience, not from a bunch of Dr's and Scientists that make money from shooting out studies on this or that. Remember, I believe everyone is different, everyone reacts different to training and supps. This is what I have found FOR ME.

Training: Doesn’t matter. Tons of routines. As long as I train HARD very intensive, and change my routines up. I grow. I like the basic movements. Bench/Squats/Deads/Rows and all the other accessory stuff like arms calves ect. I also like to throw in a lot of hammer strength. Just feels right. Each body part once a week. I like to train the opposites together – day 1 back and chest day 2 LEGS day 3 bi’s tri’s and whatever other accessories I have not hit yet. I don’t like to be in the gym more than 45 min to an hour. I have trained with a natural power lifter for a few years. He taught me how to do the exercises properly. But my body did not respond size-wise with his routines. But it was fun being his corner man at a meet out of state where he hit 415 pounds on the bench at a mere 165 pounds with his little self. Power lifting for me... Im to big. 6'4... I would have to put on like 200 pounds of muscle. Blah...

So, Nutrition: There's the rub! I am one of those people most hate. I can eat doughnuts and mozzi sticks all day.. and barely gain an ounce. I have to train and eat at least six times a day. Even if it is just a bar or shake, but no eat and train... no meat on the bones. So, I get in my protein and don't worry about the carbs and fats. If I don't quite see all my abs, I really don't care. My Fiancé wants me fatter... lol... Not like a slob, just more corn fed. I could use advice... because I am hitting the gym in about an hour for the first time in about 4 months... Ah... consistency... my biggest roadblock. Oh yeah... nutrition... Because of my job and non-normal hours (hint: I have a gun) my biggest problem is making sure I get my six or more in. So, I bought one of those cooler center console to keep in my car so that when I start today. I will always have a shake and bars, so that I don't miss.
Here is where I could use GoPro's Mensa advice. I ALWAYS try to go to the gym unfed. Meaning, I don't have a whopper and fries on the way. Usually at has been between 1 and 2 hours since my last food intake. I bring a mixture of Creatine (I like the Iron Tek's Createk. seams to agree with me best, cheap, and glutamine) and put it in a bottle with grape juice. Real Sweet. After my workout is going, and I am hitting the heavy sets after warming up, I will occasionally take a little sip. Keep my energy up. Then after I work out, on the way home, I drink the majority of it. 30-45 minutes after I train, PROTIEN SHAKEY TIME. Usually take in about 40 grams with some sort of natural juice like Doles.
That sound right? Or should I do it a little different. I usually take my creatine after workout, and before bed for the glutamine while I sleep. Before bed I don't use the grape juice only water.
The rest of my nutrition I am happy with.
I know this is long, but I just have to, after reading some of your advice, I trust your knowledge so bare with me (grin). I know bare.. I'm sick.

Now Supps: I tried this product by the store I get my discounted supps from (I also get free doughnuts ). It was called Dermabol, the guy from this place was straight forward. He had done steroids in the past, but since he was getting into being a firefighter, and other reasons, he was off for a long long time. He said this was real good stuff. Dermabol is a cream (Hence Derma) that you rub a little in the soft spots. No not your nads. inner bi's, inner lats, inner thighs, and behind the knees. I tried this, and by the 6th week, I was blowing up like never before. I kid you not, I went from my skinny little 185, up to over around 205 ish. Now here was the problem, my shirts were stretching, I was feeling really good, ripped (remember my gifted metabolism), and then I had Aufklarung (German for the Enlightenment). My big boss the head cheese, called me into his office and asked if I was on roids. I said no way boss, just working hard and taking some supplements (as I drank the rest of my egg beater). I said I would not take those for the health risks. He said "Yeah and they are illegal too". I was like "Oh yeah, right, that too.. uh.. yeah. lol... well, This dermabol has the following in it: Per Serving: 50mg 19nor-diol - 100mg 4andro-diol - and 50mg of 1,4androstadienedione.
For me it worked great.
Then again.. consistency... DAMN!!
Got back in the gym at 200 pounds after time off, and went to get more, he said.. new stuff same concept but 1-test. That one did not work the same for me. But, I only was 4 weeks and DAMN !! again.. big test for advancement... Consistency.

Time off again.
Went back to get some more derma and 1test to take together and try, but he said.. new stuff.... SAN's A100 T100, and take them with some fat.. so I got 1000 mg soft gels of flax and stuff. Now let me tell you what.... BAM!!! after 2 weeks, I have never ever ever in my life had more intensive workouts. My strength was going through the roof, and by the time I finished my first 8 week cycle. I was sitting pretty at a hefty 230 pounds... of course only the top of the abs visible, but like I said, that does not concern me (and the ole` lady makes some killer oatmeal raisin cookies). I have to say that that combo has been the best ever. And reasonable, 100 bucks a month for the three products for me.

So, I know I know.. you can smack me later... CONSITANCY. I have been out for about 3 months. The fiancé has had an.. um.. enhancement, my promotion, my new business on the side, well... I fell like a shiznick. Back to the gym today. Back to the message board today... and now I am stacking the new TMM100 with A100 and 1000mg flax for absorption, some dermabol to take 45 minutes before the workout, and my crea tek. Oh.. a given of course PROTEIN. So, right now I am still hovering at 225 after that layoff. My muscles are flat from no pumps and sugars and waters in them, but I maintained a good amount of size from the last stint. I can’t really see my abs. But, I am not fat either... just a small love handle for the woman to hold on to. If you would be so kind GoPro, to read all of this, I would be very grateful for any advice, and I will let you know how this goes. I have some pictures I took at the gym with an auto snap digital after a workout at my peak. So, after I do 8 weeks of dedication, I will re-snap. My goal - 240 - My reward if I hit it - I’m getting a TAT. I shall keep y'all posted.
Damn that consistency to hell.

Well, I’m off to the gym I am well planned out “Those who fail to plan… Plan to fail”

Originally posted by gopro
As we have been saying, the best stacks usually involve 1-Test or 1-AD, and either 4-AD or EQ type PH. You mentioned that you did great with the 1-Test you took, so I don't know why you would want to change. You can try stacking it with VPXs 4-AD or EQ, or Biotest's 4-AD, or 1Fast 400s 4-AD.

As for Mag 10, I have heard mostly positive things about it, so if you already have it, it is worth a try.

VPXs Syngex is an awesome product and had been getting rave reviews from those that have been using it (it is a 1-Test/4-AD combo).

And, as you know, many people like the transdermals from Avant labs (if you can still get them).

thanks bro- i've been thinking of trying the vpx eq with the 1-test. the only thing negative i heard on the mag-10 is the taste, but still good results.

Hey Pulse... Yeah, the stuff I am talking about, I have been told is as good or better than VPX... The best thing is, the price!!!! VPX is big bucks... and the place I get my supps from ... free shipping over 50 bucks.

Just got back from the gym, and tell you what... for the first time back in months... I felt like a monster... gonna be sore as hell... I tell you... I can definitely feel it, almost animalistic.. GRRRRR

Originally posted by Kuzinbo
GoPro... You are like the Mensa of this site no? You are posted everywhere...

Anywho... I have a little tale to tell about San's A100 T100 and a couple of other products I have tried. Let me give you a little history first.

I was born a poor white child in a trailer park not far from.. nah just kidding...

I have been working out for umpteen years. I have tried tons of products over my tenure. Back in the day, I even tried a product (Can't remember the name was in a little blue box.. contained a lot of pills... and I really don't think it did much) I think the gains I got from that was because I was so hardcore of breaking through the skinny stick figure I was. At about the age of 18. Could not afford the gym yet, had carburetors to buy. But I worked out in my garage. Embarrassed the crap out of my mom by making her jump up on my back as I did calf raises out front on a yard timber. Anywho... Then came creatine. Now, for me it worked pretty well. I was urged to take this god awful stuff called 3 in 1 by the huge guy that owned the gym. It had creatine, and like.. gkg or something or other. NASTY... almost puked every time I choked it down. But did it anyway. And it worked pretty well. HMB first came out, sucked, spent too much on that crap. Then the dawn of pro-hormones. I forget the brand I tried, and I think my consistency held me back. I know it worked because I know my self and my body (intimately ) and my aggression was out of control.

Like I said I have tried so many routines and supplements and this is what I find is FACT. I say this from experience, not from a bunch of Dr's and Scientists that make money from shooting out studies on this or that. Remember, I believe everyone is different, everyone reacts different to training and supps. This is what I have found FOR ME.

Training: Doesn’t matter. Tons of routines. As long as I train HARD very intensive, and change my routines up. I grow. I like the basic movements. Bench/Squats/Deads/Rows and all the other accessory stuff like arms calves ect. I also like to throw in a lot of hammer strength. Just feels right. Each body part once a week. I like to train the opposites together – day 1 back and chest day 2 LEGS day 3 bi’s tri’s and whatever other accessories I have not hit yet. I don’t like to be in the gym more than 45 min to an hour. I have trained with a natural power lifter for a few years. He taught me how to do the exercises properly. But my body did not respond size-wise with his routines. But it was fun being his corner man at a meet out of state where he hit 415 pounds on the bench at a mere 165 pounds with his little self. Power lifting for me... Im to big. 6'4... I would have to put on like 200 pounds of muscle. Blah...

So, Nutrition: There's the rub! I am one of those people most hate. I can eat doughnuts and mozzi sticks all day.. and barely gain an ounce. I have to train and eat at least six times a day. Even if it is just a bar or shake, but no eat and train... no meat on the bones. So, I get in my protein and don't worry about the carbs and fats. If I don't quite see all my abs, I really don't care. My Fiancé wants me fatter... lol... Not like a slob, just more corn fed. I could use advice... because I am hitting the gym in about an hour for the first time in about 4 months... Ah... consistency... my biggest roadblock. Oh yeah... nutrition... Because of my job and non-normal hours (hint: I have a gun) my biggest problem is making sure I get my six or more in. So, I bought one of those cooler center console to keep in my car so that when I start today. I will always have a shake and bars, so that I don't miss.
Here is where I could use GoPro's Mensa advice. I ALWAYS try to go to the gym unfed. Meaning, I don't have a whopper and fries on the way. Usually at has been between 1 and 2 hours since my last food intake. I bring a mixture of Creatine (I like the Iron Tek's Createk. seams to agree with me best, cheap, and glutamine) and put it in a bottle with grape juice. Real Sweet. After my workout is going, and I am hitting the heavy sets after warming up, I will occasionally take a little sip. Keep my energy up. Then after I work out, on the way home, I drink the majority of it. 30-45 minutes after I train, PROTIEN SHAKEY TIME. Usually take in about 40 grams with some sort of natural juice like Doles.
That sound right? Or should I do it a little different. I usually take my creatine after workout, and before bed for the glutamine while I sleep. Before bed I don't use the grape juice only water.
The rest of my nutrition I am happy with.
I know this is long, but I just have to, after reading some of your advice, I trust your knowledge so bare with me (grin). I know bare.. I'm sick.

Now Supps: I tried this product by the store I get my discounted supps from (I also get free doughnuts ). It was called Dermabol, the guy from this place was straight forward. He had done steroids in the past, but since he was getting into being a firefighter, and other reasons, he was off for a long long time. He said this was real good stuff. Dermabol is a cream (Hence Derma) that you rub a little in the soft spots. No not your nads. inner bi's, inner lats, inner thighs, and behind the knees. I tried this, and by the 6th week, I was blowing up like never before. I kid you not, I went from my skinny little 185, up to over around 205 ish. Now here was the problem, my shirts were stretching, I was feeling really good, ripped (remember my gifted metabolism), and then I had Aufklarung (German for the Enlightenment). My big boss the head cheese, called me into his office and asked if I was on roids. I said no way boss, just working hard and taking some supplements (as I drank the rest of my egg beater). I said I would not take those for the health risks. He said "Yeah and they are illegal too". I was like "Oh yeah, right, that too.. uh.. yeah. lol... well, This dermabol has the following in it: Per Serving: 50mg 19nor-diol - 100mg 4andro-diol - and 50mg of 1,4androstadienedione.
For me it worked great.
Then again.. consistency... DAMN!!
Got back in the gym at 200 pounds after time off, and went to get more, he said.. new stuff same concept but 1-test. That one did not work the same for me. But, I only was 4 weeks and DAMN !! again.. big test for advancement... Consistency.

Time off again.
Went back to get some more derma and 1test to take together and try, but he said.. new stuff.... SAN's A100 T100, and take them with some fat.. so I got 1000 mg soft gels of flax and stuff. Now let me tell you what.... BAM!!! after 2 weeks, I have never ever ever in my life had more intensive workouts. My strength was going through the roof, and by the time I finished my first 8 week cycle. I was sitting pretty at a hefty 230 pounds... of course only the top of the abs visible, but like I said, that does not concern me (and the ole` lady makes some killer oatmeal raisin cookies). I have to say that that combo has been the best ever. And reasonable, 100 bucks a month for the three products for me.

So, I know I know.. you can smack me later... CONSITANCY. I have been out for about 3 months. The fiancé has had an.. um.. enhancement, my promotion, my new business on the side, well... I fell like a shiznick. Back to the gym today. Back to the message board today... and now I am stacking the new TMM100 with A100 and 1000mg flax for absorption, some dermabol to take 45 minutes before the workout, and my crea tek. Oh.. a given of course PROTEIN. So, right now I am still hovering at 225 after that layoff. My muscles are flat from no pumps and sugars and waters in them, but I maintained a good amount of size from the last stint. I can’t really see my abs. But, I am not fat either... just a small love handle for the woman to hold on to. If you would be so kind GoPro, to read all of this, I would be very grateful for any advice, and I will let you know how this goes. I have some pictures I took at the gym with an auto snap digital after a workout at my peak. So, after I do 8 weeks of dedication, I will re-snap. My goal - 240 - My reward if I hit it - I’m getting a TAT. I shall keep y'all posted.
Damn that consistency to hell.

Well, I’m off to the gym I am well planned out “Those who fail to plan… Plan to fail”

Whew!!!! I promise I'll read this over the weekend. Mensa of this site, LOL...I like that