San Estrodex, Biotest M, or 6oxo?

**bamafan** · 06-09-2003, 11:51 PM

I need some advice...Which of these should I use? I am going for a Fuzu, ZMA, protein, and V-12 cycle and would like to try one of these anti-estrogens within this cycle. Looking for your feedback. Thanks in advance!

**gopro** · 06-10-2003, 07:47 AM

There is no reason to use an anti-E with this "cycle." But, in general, 6-OXO has gotten the best feedback of the 3.

**ZECH** · 06-10-2003, 07:54 AM

According to Patrick Arnold, 6 oxo by itself can raise test levels. So it probably could be used by itself! Of course Fuzu will, maybe to a lesser degree increase test also!

**bamafan** · 06-10-2003, 08:59 AM

GP, I had read on ergopharm's website that 6 oxo alone could elevate test and I was just wondering how it would work with fuzu or tribex. How do you guys feel about Fuzu compared to Tribex or other tribulus products?

**Twin Peak** · 06-10-2003, 09:07 AM

Trib products do not raise test levels. This has been shown time and time again.

6-Oxo is the only anti-e I have seen positive feedback.

In Pat's study test levels doubled, while E levels decreased by 25%.

6-oxo works by reducing endogenous E levels. Your body compensates for this and raises its own E level so the net result is only a 25% decrease. Your body seeks to keep a certain E/T ration, so along with raising estrogen, it raises its T levels.

I have heard excellent feedback on 6-oxo being used for this purpose and especially when cutting.

I'd cut out the fuzu and ZMA from your stack as well.

**ZECH** · 06-10-2003, 09:08 AM

One thing for sure with both 6-oxo and trib................you will be one horny sob. And I like fuzu over all the rest. Some like tribex.

**bamafan** · 06-10-2003, 09:20 AM

Thanks for all of your responses. I will try the 6 oxo and fuzu. If it doesn't work for me then I'll get back to the "basics" (without the fluff!). I'm just looking to try some new things. Who knows, I may get a little crazy later this summer and try some 1-ad. (Most supps. crazy for ME considering I initially didn't want to use creatine! ha ha)

**gopro** · 06-10-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by bamafan
GP, I had read on ergopharm's website that 6 oxo alone could elevate test and I was just wondering how it would work with fuzu or tribex. How do you guys feel about Fuzu compared to Tribex or other tribulus products?

I can tell you that Fuzu does in fact raise natural test levels as do a couple of other high quality Trib products. How do I know? Did blood tests on myself and 3 of my clients to test a couple of products out. The 3 that worked...

-Tribestan
-Fuzu
-Tribex

As for 6-OXO...this is a solid product for lowering estrogen and raising test levels. I wouldn't bother combining it with a Trib product though. You may also want to look into Aromadex by VPX as well.

**ZECH** · 06-10-2003, 11:40 AM

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pr...tris-facts.htm

By stimulating an increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), tribulus terrestris has been shown to cause a 50% increase in test levels. When LH levels are enhanced, a signal is sent to your testes to produce more testosterone.

**ZECH** · 06-11-2003, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Trib products do not raise test levels. This has been shown time and time again.

6-Oxo is the only anti-e I have seen positive feedback.

In Pat's study test levels doubled, while E levels decreased by 25%.

6-oxo works by reducing endogenous E levels. Your body compensates for this and raises its own E level so the net result is only a 25% decrease. Your body seeks to keep a certain E/T ration, so along with raising estrogen, it raises its T levels.

I have heard excellent feedback on 6-oxo being used for this purpose and especially when cutting.

I'd cut out the fuzu and ZMA from your stack as well.

TP, read this.........http://www.ironmagazine.com/modules....=article&sid=7

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