Speaking of 1-Test....

**gopro** · 06-12-2003, 09:08 AM

This is simply for informational purposes for those that are interested in the science/chemistry behind VPXs 1-Test/Pro-Steroid products. Very cool stuff....

"To understand the complexity of the innovation about to be described, it is important to know that Jack Owoc from VPX introduced 1-TEST (1Testosterone), a VPX registered trademark, to the sports nutrition industry. Although liposomally delivered 1-Test in its unaltered state has the most potent Physique Altering potential of any supplement available, VPX scientists incorporated additional cutting edge technology to radically enhance its effectiveness. The next step in dramatically intensifying the action of 1-Test was to molecularly modified this pro-steroid with a PCE (propylcarbonate ester) to extend the duration of anabolic activity of this hormone in the body. Owoc's (pronounced O-Walk like Air Walk) goal was to create a pro-steroid so potent that it would rival the efficaciousness of even the most powerful pharmaceutical real steroids. So he improved further on this innovation by encasing 1-TEST PCE into a specialized Polylipid Delivery Matrix. Owoc's dream and vision was realized with the creation of an anabolic innovation more potent than any real steroid with the exception of Parabolan (Trenbolone acetate)! However, a recently released special formula called, Syngex that contains a synergistic Polylipid matrix of 1-TEST PCE and 4-Diol PCE is unquestionably even more effective than Parabolan. Although an unfair match because your synergistically combining two pro-steroids against one real steroid, Syngex phreakin' rocks and doesn't require daily injections like the fast acting Parabolan acetate. Owoc's latest innovation incorporates the use of powerful esterfied pro-steroids encased in a Polylipid Delivery Matrix engineered in the biotech industry and involves an open ended polymer. Basically the polymer's two open ends attach to two specific active ingredients and form a vortex-like long chain (active ingredient------polymer------active ingredient). This system works very much like a liposome, but is significantly more efficient because it binds to the active pro-steroid and pulls it into the body rather than a liposome hopefully forming around these gigantic molecules. It's unbelievably more stable and consistent than current liposomal technology and is truly a remarkable quantum leap in delivery technology. Owoc's description of this biotechnology is, Polymers are formed by ionically attaching to oil soluble steroid hormones to form a polymer molecule - that is, a fatty acid chain consisting of an active ingredient + polymer. These polymers act as a bridge between hydrophobic and hydrophilic encased steroids to form what I can only describe as a Super Molecule. There's huge magnetism in this love/love, love/hate attraction. Oil is attracted to oil and like a magnet, +'s to -'s. It's rather complicated to explain in lay terms because you have oil to oil bonds and water to oil bonds forming a long chain via Polylipid technology together with bio-active pro-steroids. ...hence giving birth to the term Lipoject Super Molecule. Natural phospholipids used in conjunction with the Polymer aid in the hydrophilic molecule's absorption so the water soluble ingredients can still get greater absorption (liposome delivery). This new in-house technology was developed in conjunction with a master biochemist that holds seven world-wide pharmaceutical drug delivery patents. This technology is made possible by VPX's new state of the art custom designed chemical engineering equipment that reduces particle size down to less than one micron. Attaching an ester to the pro-steroid molecule and then chemically encasing the active hormone in the Polylipid (trademark and patents pending) delivery matrix substantially increases the pharmacokinetic value of the pro-steroid. Pharmacokinetics relates to absorption and Polylipid Delivery beats even an intramuscular injection in this respect. With absorption being close to 100%, duration of action in the blood and body is the second pharmacokinetic characteristic and the most important in determining the anabolic effectiveness of a pro-steroid. Esters are used in steroid and drug delivery technology to extend the life of the active drug in the body just like the propylcarbonate ester that is attached to 1-TEST(osterone) and 4-Diol PCE in Syngex, 1-Test and Paradeca and the newest anti-estrogen called, Aromadex. Deca Durabolin, Testosterone Cypionate, Trenbolone Acetate (Parabolan), Primobolan Depot etc. are all examples of esterfied steroids/hormones. Even these popular steroids would suck at building muscle if they weren't esterfied. Further the Polylipid Delivery Matrix allows these pro-steroids and the latest anti-estrogen called, Aromadex to enter the blood directly through mucosa and lymph tissue and prevents these hormones from being destroyed and rendered inactive by the liver. This would be considered a major breakthrough in the pharmaceutical industry and is certainly even more ground breaking in our dietary supplement industry."

**ZECH** · 06-12-2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by EDog
Yeah, seriously they would need to list some ingredients of the liposomal matrix. I would have to believe if it was something other than marketing shit. Looks to me that the ingredients are:

Lipoject Technologies Proprietary Polylipid, Liposomal Delivery Matrix, Oat Oil, Benzyl Alcohol (Preservative), Polyethylene sorbitan monooleate

basically oat oil & BA. Unless the final ingredient somehow makes up their liposomal matrix... Correct me if I am wrong, but liposomes are alternating hydro/lipo layers.

Plus how about this little tidbit:
"Pro-Steroid Cypionates stay active for 16 days!"

Wow, a 16 day oral dose. Amazing! They were able to get the exact same release timing as the injectable.

EDog
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Patrick Arnold's Response.......

The last ingredient is also known as Polysorbate 80, and it is nothing more than a surfactant. Its nothing that will impart any special properties to the product.

This is a simple oil based steroid injectable formulation. It is extremely cheap to make. They can call it all the big meaningless mumbo jumbo words they want but its still little more than a steroid dissolved in a cheap veggie oil with preservative thrown in.

I get very sad when i hear people say they don't mind spending more on this kind of stuff. Sad because the extra money is being spent on smoke, mirrors, and fantasy - nothing more. Yes, the guy is a mega millionaire. Now you know how he got to be one.

And you can get cyp here for injections lots cheaper than $80.
http://www.eagleresearch.biz/page.php?pageID=4

Genna Pharm has just released Impact 250 Pro, and it seems like they are marketing it the same way VPX is marketing their 1-test and 4-test cyp formulas

**Twin Peak** · 06-12-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by dg806
Originally posted by EDog
Yeah, seriously they would need to list some ingredients of the liposomal matrix. I would have to believe if it was something other than marketing shit. Looks to me that the ingredients are:

Lipoject Technologies Proprietary Polylipid, Liposomal Delivery Matrix, Oat Oil, Benzyl Alcohol (Preservative), Polyethylene sorbitan monooleate

basically oat oil & BA. Unless the final ingredient somehow makes up their liposomal matrix... Correct me if I am wrong, but liposomes are alternating hydro/lipo layers.

Plus how about this little tidbit:
"Pro-Steroid Cypionates stay active for 16 days!"

Wow, a 16 day oral dose. Amazing! They were able to get the exact same release timing as the injectable.

EDog
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Patrick Arnold's Response.......

The last ingredient is also known as Polysorbate 80, and it is nothing more than a surfactant. Its nothing that will impart any special properties to the product.

This is a simple oil based steroid injectable formulation. It is extremely cheap to make. They can call it all the big meaningless mumbo jumbo words they want but its still little more than a steroid dissolved in a cheap veggie oil with preservative thrown in.

I get very sad when i hear people say they don't mind spending more on this kind of stuff. Sad because the extra money is being spent on smoke, mirrors, and fantasy - nothing more. Yes, the guy is a mega millionaire. Now you know how he got to be one.

And you can get cyp here for injections lots cheaper than $80.
http://www.eagleresearch.biz/page.php?pageID=4

Genna Pharm has just released Impact 250 Pro, and it seems like they are marketing it the same way VPX is marketing their 1-test and 4-test cyp formulas

Obvioulsy PA is a competitor, but first and foremost he is a scientist. Indeed, he "invented" prohormones, so to speak. And I trust him as well.

I can't speak to the science in the VPX pitch, but the beginning is obvioulsy meant to IMPLY that Owoc created 1-testosterone, the prosteoid. This is NOT true, if you read it carefully all it says is he created the PRODUCT he called 1-TEST, which the name he trademarked.

Personally, I don't like the wording of that.

**ZECH** · 06-12-2003, 02:15 PM

Yes I agree Pat is a competitor. But like you I trust him also. I'm not posting this to make GP mad either! But I'm not in favor of how they market this. It will get the whole market banned!!
If you do some research 1-test is unpatentable.
Here is a quote of Pat's............
"It is unpatentable as an anabolic. The research on it as an anabolic was done decades ago by pharmaceutical companies. You cannot take other people's research on something and then claim that you own intellectual rights to it.

However, if you could find another use for 1-test - like as a treatment of parkinson's disease or something - then you could file a use patent on it. Of course, you need to have data to support your claims. You just cannot fabricate up a use."

**gopro** · 06-12-2003, 04:32 PM

Listen...there is a HUGE battle of words going on betweem PA and Jack Owoc right now, as you well know. No doubt, they are both geniuses and both very competitive. Both of them have made incredible contributions to the field of supps and they will continue to do so. I'll leave the scientific arguing to them. I just wanted to post some interesting info about the VPX line. I think Ergopharm is a great company as is VPX. Lets just see where this takes us...no doubt it will only mean more and more innovation from the challenge they set forth to eachother.

**ZECH** · 06-12-2003, 08:03 PM

GP like I said, I did not post this to make you mad. I just want everyone to see all sides and make up their own mind! I agree with both being in comp against each other! But do you think the way they market this is fair? And what about supporting USFA??

**Twin Peak** · 06-13-2003, 08:21 AM

VPX doesn't support USFA??? I do hope you are kidding....

**Prince** · 06-13-2003, 08:34 AM

I thought I already posted this...

If they (VPX) do not support the USFA they SUCK!

**Twin Peak** · 06-13-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Prince
I thought I already posted this...

If they (VPX) do not support the USFA they SUCK!

With all the prohormone products they sell, I completely agree.

Its particularly embarrassing given their size. They are 100 times bigger than Avant or 1Fast400. And Mike (1fast) is the corporate secretary of USFA, and both are contributers, in both time and money. Indeed, Mike paid for the website to be built.

**Robboe** · 06-13-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by gopro
Listen...there is a HUGE battle of words going on betweem PA and Jack Owoc right now, as you well know. No doubt, they are both geniuses

I'm curious - what constitutes Jack Owoc to be a "genius"?

What ground-breaking revolution has he created or started?

**Twin Peak** · 06-13-2003, 09:36 AM

Didn't he discover America?

**Robboe** · 06-13-2003, 09:37 AM

Maybe he built it?

**ZECH** · 06-13-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
VPX doesn't support USFA??? I do hope you are kidding....

TP...FYI

PA on VPX

**Twin Peak** · 06-13-2003, 09:49 AM

Thanks.

**Prince** · 06-13-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
I'm curious - what constitutes Jack Owoc to be a "genius"?

the word "genius" gets way over used IMO, and is also overrated.

the reason I say overrated is because IQ tests for the most part are a crock of shit. I don't think you can truley measure intelligence with a test.

btw, I consider myself as a genius!

**gopro** · 06-18-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
I'm curious - what constitutes Jack Owoc to be a "genius"?

What ground-breaking revolution has he created or started?

Sit down and have one conversation with him and you can easily discover that his level of intelligence and knowledge of biochemistry is far far beyond the norm of the "expert." I have had the chance to talk with many so called gurus and he is amongst the most impressive of the bunch. The only people that had my brain firing on all cylinders to keep up with them on fitness related subjects were... the late Dan Duchaine, Paul Chek, Charles Poliquin, and Derik Cornelius (Syntrax).

Obviously I did not administer an IQ test, so I don't know if he "officially" reaches genius level, but he is one of the greatest thinkers in the industry in my opinion.

And as Prince said, IQ test mean nothing because I tested as a genius when I was young and I know I'm nothing of the sort.

**Robboe** · 06-18-2003, 09:20 AM

Yeah, I think everyone is fully aware of that fact.

I don't need you to show me a study for that.

**Robboe** · 06-18-2003, 09:22 AM

Not like you'd get me if i asked you to anyway.

**gopro** · 06-18-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Yeah, I think everyone is fully aware of that fact.

I don't need you to show me a study for that.

TCD...you have now reached an all time low. There is no need for you and I to "dialogue" with eachother anymore. From now on, if you have something to say to me, do it over PM or don't do it at all. If not, I will simply delete you.

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