VPX and the PH ban...

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote : "hahahaahah, you are to funny"

Yeah, really professional DG.

And no, the owner of a company cant have an opinion. Hello, look around you to any business that is huge. Do you see the owner spouting off? No, its called "not being professional". I'm not sure what you do for a living DG, but I'm kinda surprised that this doesnt make sense to you.

Oh well, to each his/her own.

**dg806** · 06-23-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Eggs
Hello, look around you to any business that is huge. Do you see the owner spouting off?

You need to go to BB.com then!!! There are plenty of splats between PA and BL and Calab. But this doesn't make them bad people or bad business people. They are trying to protect their business which is what anyone would do! That shows me they believe in their product. If they don't defend it, then I would worry!

Twin Peak · 06-23-2003, 12:43 PM

Eggs, I am sorry but you are wrong here. GoPro, by proliferating statements by alleged VPX persons, is calling into question the integrity of those who run the not for profit organization of USFA -- whose only purpose is to fight the potential prohormone ban.

In calling into the integrity of USFA he is indirectly calling into doubt the integrity of 1fast400 as he is a corporate executive of USFA.

He is more than allowed to defend himself. Moreover, none of his statements have been opinions but fact (except the argument over which is the better PH).

bigswole30 · 06-23-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by 1Fast400
hahahaahah, you are to funny. VPX is not on top. You know they had serious money issues last year and let go a lot of their staff because of this. They just lost europa as a distributor and they now make all their stuff in house, which I'm sure the quality control is great on. This company is a disaster and we will be out of business when the PH ban goes through.

1fast, it is my understanding that VPX dropped Europa not the other way around. As for money issues I think you are off. They recently fired some employees for contract reasons. I also know that VPX recently hired two well-known European chemists. One of which co-developed the new cypionated prohormones. VPX in-houses facilities are cGMP regulated.

**Mudge** · 06-23-2003, 12:44 PM

If someone cannot make a statement without being pissy, it makes them look childish IMO - and I have seen that in this thread. I want to see facts, not pee fights.

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 12:44 PM

1Fast400s products were never in question here... until he stepped in. If you want to defend what you do, you sit down and think through what you want to say... put a polite and official spin on it, and then send it out. You dont do rash things that casue people to dislike or loose their trust in you or your product (which are often the same thing).

As to other boards doing it... yeah, and remember IA at MM.com? Theres a good reason why I'm no longer there... he being it. Thats one example of how to loose customers.

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 12:46 PM

Okay TP, I got you on that... and I apologize to 1Fast400 for not knowing the facts about that.

My statement regarding being professional still stands though TP, or do you think that this thread has lived up to a standard of excellence which should be prevelant among businesses in the Supplement field?

bigswole30 · 06-23-2003, 12:51 PM

I have always admired 1fast for what he has given to the supplement field. In fact he helped me out when I was starting my supplement store. However, I do not like the attitude he has taken on in this thread on here and bb.com. There will always be two sides to every story and when someone has a different view than you they are not neccesarily wrong. Maybe VPX is fighting the ban in a private manner. Who knows?

Twin Peak · 06-23-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Eggs
Okay TP, I got you on that... and I apologize to 1Fast400 for not knowing the facts about that.

My statement regarding being professional still stands though TP, or do you think that this thread has lived up to a standard of excellence which should be prevelant among businesses in the Supplement field?

Perhaps, and perhaps not. I could be jaded, being friends with Mike.

I found it interesting though that you only commented on Mike's behavior, and all the while GP was, IMO, less "business like" as you put it, passing on half information from another without having any first hand information, and you made no mention of this. You do realize that he is AN EMPLOYEE of VPX? He should be held to whatever standards you are applying.

In addition, as I said, I can understand where Mike is coming from. Mike is a very busy person who is spending his own money and his own time to help USFA fight the ban.

Then along comes someone who has third hand information that is obviously littered with half truths (I pointed this out several times, to which I received NO response, and I am just a third party witness, and it was obvious that the alleged stamement could not possibily be true), and this third person not only calls into question the time and money you spend and your dedication to an issue, but calls you a liar, and/or stupid, and calls your integrity into doubt?

Hell, I'd be pissy too.

Twin Peak · 06-23-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by bigswole30
I have always admired 1fast for what he has given to the supplement field. In fact he helped me out when I was starting my supplement store. However, I do not like the attitude he has taken on in this thread on here and bb.com. There will always be two sides to every story and when someone has a different view than you they are not neccesarily wrong. Maybe VPX is fighting the ban in a private manner. Who knows?

Basedon the statements GP posted in starting this thread, there is clearly a right and a wrong.

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 01:07 PM

Perhaps you're right TP, but as a customer of 1Fast400... I addressed him as his comments concern me more. Dont get me wrong though, I think that GP should take a break from this thread as well, he is getting irritated and its not to his benefit.

Perhaps you'd be pissy if someone did that to you... but I'd hope that you would handle yourself in such a manner as to make others look up to you and respect you for your replies. Anybody can blow his lid and act the idiot, I know, I do it all the time... but it takes someone with class and business savvy to look beyond the current topic and to do what is good for himself in the long run. In this case, the best thing that 1Fast400 could do is to write an answer to any discrepancies that he sees... sit on it for a couple hours and let the steam go, then revisit the topic and if his answer still suits him then post it.

I've lived in enough countries, hung out with enough of the right people, and studied enough business to have a solid grasp on this topic. Proper etiquette must be followed if one wants to make a positive impact on others. They'll respect you for that a hundred times more so than they will a cutting reply, even if one thinks it deserved.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-23-2003, 01:07 PM

I find this a good discussion and both participants very passionate about what they believe to be the truth. That being said, no one has given any evidence to support their version of the story so I would say neither one is right or wrong.

1Fast400 · 06-23-2003, 01:14 PM

VPX doesn't list GMP certification on their products, I have them right here. I was on the phone at length today with a VPX rep, him having no idea who I am. The lies that spilled from his mouth were unreal. In particular about the USFA. As stated I'm an officer of that organization, being so allows me to have access to information that none of you know about. I know for a 100% fact that VPX is lying about numerous issues. How? Because I either witness or had a hand in writing various statements to VPX concering the USFA.

Twin Peak · 06-23-2003, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eggs
Perhaps you're right TP, but as a customer of 1Fast400... I addressed him as his comments concern me more. Dont get me wrong though, I think that GP should take a break from this thread as well, he is getting irritated and its not to his benefit.

Perhaps you'd be pissy if someone did that to you... but I'd hope that you would handle yourself in such a manner as to make others look up to you and respect you for your replies. Anybody can blow his lid and act the idiot, I know, I do it all the time... but it takes someone with class and business savvy to look beyond the current topic and to do what is good for himself in the long run. In this case, the best thing that 1Fast400 could do is to write an answer to any discrepancies that he sees... sit on it for a couple hours and let the steam go, then revisit the topic and if his answer still suits him then post it.

I've lived in enough countries, hung out with enough of the right people, and studied enough business to have a solid grasp on this topic. Proper etiquette must be followed if one wants to make a positive impact on others. They'll respect you for that a hundred times more so than they will a cutting reply, even if one thinks it deserved.

I am not saying that I disagree with your opinion, or say that you are not entitled to your opinion, as a customer.

I am merely trying put some things into there proper perspective, which, based on your reply, I think I have done.

1Fast400 · 06-23-2003, 01:17 PM

I have an opinion, if it makes me lose customers for not being PC about a topic, then I just may lose a customer. I know they are lying as do all members of the USFA.

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 01:20 PM

Hehe, that was an open ended statement TP

I'm not sure whether to nod my head in understanding or be insulted

**Dale Mabry** · 06-23-2003, 01:25 PM

I don't doubt your credentials, I am just one of those folks who needs to see it for himself before I believe anything. In the end, it's all just spin doctoring anyway. I could say I monetarily supported the war but, in reality, all I did was pay taxes which help pay for defense.

On a side note, I have no idea about your business, but I would have trouble believing you would lose any business based on any of your statements. I think I will go check out your site now, your scandalous, politically incorrect statements have garnered interest from me. No publicity is bad publicity.

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 01:28 PM

In the words of Socrates - Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one... some peoples existance can be summed up theirs.

Hrm, was that Socrates, I forget

Why dont you stop giving us your opinion and give us some facts... some meat with our dinner. I just had a little chicken and am somehow left unsatisfied. A logical argument requires that you do not deal with opinions, beliefs, etc. If you present anything less than a logical argument in your defense then you are doing us a disservice, and you are selling yourself short. I'm quite sure you have it in you to be convincing, but an Argument against the person is not the way to go about it. Convince us with your facts... I'd like to think the day of following others blindly because they spout pretty words were left behind with Hitler and those like him.

So, once again... Why should we believe you?

Eggs · 06-23-2003, 01:30 PM

LOL Dale, guess you're right with that... publicity does get the word out, good or bad you'll have people beating down your door to lean more about you. We're so predictable

bigswole30 · 06-23-2003, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1Fast400
VPX doesn't list GMP certification on their products, I have them right here. I was on the phone at length today with a VPX rep, him having no idea who I am. The lies that spilled from his mouth were unreal. In particular about the USFA. As stated I'm an officer of that organization, being so allows me to have access to information that none of you know about. I know for a 100% fact that VPX is lying about numerous issues. How? Because I either witness or had a hand in writing various statements to VPX concering the USFA.

Cool. I aklso talk to a VPX rep everyday and he points out some very interesting things to me. There products are cGMP approved. I do not know why it is not listed. I am visiting VPX is two weeks. I will see first hand what kind of operation they are running. Maybe you all do not like their reasons for not joining the USFA, but that is their right. I do know they care about the ban.

1fast, if you do not mind telling what are some of the outright lies you were told today? Just curious.

**dg806** · 06-23-2003, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1Fast400
I was on the phone at length today with a VPX rep, him having no idea who I am. The lies that spilled from his mouth were unreal. In particular about the USFA.

Can you elaborate any on this???

mda1125 · 06-23-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eggs
In the words of Socrates - Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one... some peoples existance can be summed up theirs.

Hrm, was that Socrates, I forget

If opinions are like assholes, and every one's got them, do some stink more than others?

Pretty good commentary on that quote at this site:

http://www.hissyfit.com/wing_chun/1999_04_04.shtml

It was not Socrates.. nobody seems to give credit to whomever came up with that quote.

**dg806** · 06-23-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by bigswole30
I will see first hand what kind of operation they are running. Maybe you all do not like their reasons for not joining the USFA, but that is their right. I do know they care about the ban.

Or is it they care about making money first as fast as they can before the ban kicks in??? I just still do not see it.......VPX biggest market share is in PH's. Why would they not join with USFA and join the fight to protect Ph's???

bigswole30 · 06-23-2003, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Or is it they care about making money first as fast as they can before the ban kicks in??? I just still do not see it.......VPX biggest market share is in PH's. Why would they not join with USFA and join the fight to protect Ph's???

Who knows? You are right when you say they make their money from prohormone sales. I am going to quote an email I recieved from my VPX source so you all can pick away at it as you want:

>What do you think of the PH ban? Is it close or not? If it takes
>place will
>VPX be in trouble?
No ban will happen! PA is trying to make money too(think about it!) His
lawyers are busy with us as we speak on other issues (can say no more
for our best intrest))

On a side note, Mike do you have any pics of your new store since moving in?

**dg806** · 06-23-2003, 01:56 PM

I think alot of people will be hurt if the ban goes into effect! Not just VPX. Sure everyone is making money now, but not if the ban goes into effect. So why not join together and prevent it? And I personally do not know what Vpx is doing. My comments are based on what I hear and see. And most is not good. And to say that the ban will not happen is stupid! It WILL if we don't fight it!

**Mudge** · 06-23-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by mda1125
It was not Socrates.. nobody seems to give credit to whomever came up with that quote.

Seeing how "asshole" was probably not used in Socrates' time, I imagine that was a joke.

mda1125 · 06-23-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
Seeing how "asshole" was probably not used in Socrates' time, I imagine that was a joke.

Yes. I know. I was just trying to be an asshole.

hehe

06-23-2003, 12:43 PM	#33
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Eggs, I am sorry but you are wrong here. GoPro, by proliferating statements by alleged VPX persons, is calling into question the integrity of those who run the not for profit organization of USFA -- whose only purpose is to fight the potential prohormone ban. In calling into the integrity of USFA he is indirectly calling into doubt the integrity of 1fast400 as he is a corporate executive of USFA. He is more than allowed to defend himself. Moreover, none of his statements have been opinions but fact (except the argument over which is the better PH).
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06-23-2003, 12:44 PM	#35
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	If someone cannot make a statement without being pissy, it makes them look childish IMO - and I have seen that in this thread. I want to see facts, not pee fights.
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06-23-2003, 12:51 PM	#38
bigswole30 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: georgia Posts: 367	I have always admired 1fast for what he has given to the supplement field. In fact he helped me out when I was starting my supplement store. However, I do not like the attitude he has taken on in this thread on here and bb.com. There will always be two sides to every story and when someone has a different view than you they are not neccesarily wrong. Maybe VPX is fighting the ban in a private manner. Who knows?
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06-23-2003, 01:07 PM	#42
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	I find this a good discussion and both participants very passionate about what they believe to be the truth. That being said, no one has given any evidence to support their version of the story so I would say neither one is right or wrong.
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06-23-2003, 01:14 PM	#43
1Fast400 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Burlington, NC 27215 Posts: 278	VPX doesn't list GMP certification on their products, I have them right here. I was on the phone at length today with a VPX rep, him having no idea who I am. The lies that spilled from his mouth were unreal. In particular about the USFA. As stated I'm an officer of that organization, being so allows me to have access to information that none of you know about. I know for a 100% fact that VPX is lying about numerous issues. How? Because I either witness or had a hand in writing various statements to VPX concering the USFA.
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06-23-2003, 12:35 PM	#31
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Quote : "hahahaahah, you are to funny" Yeah, really professional DG. And no, the owner of a company cant have an opinion. Hello, look around you to any business that is huge. Do you see the owner spouting off? No, its called "not being professional". I'm not sure what you do for a living DG, but I'm kinda surprised that this doesnt make sense to you. Oh well, to each his/her own.

06-23-2003, 12:46 PM	#37
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Okay TP, I got you on that... and I apologize to 1Fast400 for not knowing the facts about that. My statement regarding being professional still stands though TP, or do you think that this thread has lived up to a standard of excellence which should be prevelant among businesses in the Supplement field?

06-23-2003, 01:17 PM	#45
1Fast400 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Burlington, NC 27215 Posts: 278	I have an opinion, if it makes me lose customers for not being PC about a topic, then I just may lose a customer. I know they are lying as do all members of the USFA.
	Former owner: www.BulkNutrition.com www.1Fast400.com

06-23-2003, 01:20 PM	#46
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Hehe, that was an open ended statement TP I'm not sure whether to nod my head in understanding or be insulted

06-23-2003, 01:25 PM	#47
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	I don't doubt your credentials, I am just one of those folks who needs to see it for himself before I believe anything. In the end, it's all just spin doctoring anyway. I could say I monetarily supported the war but, in reality, all I did was pay taxes which help pay for defense. On a side note, I have no idea about your business, but I would have trouble believing you would lose any business based on any of your statements. I think I will go check out your site now, your scandalous, politically incorrect statements have garnered interest from me. No publicity is bad publicity.
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06-23-2003, 01:28 PM	#48
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	In the words of Socrates - Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one... some peoples existance can be summed up theirs. Hrm, was that Socrates, I forget Why dont you stop giving us your opinion and give us some facts... some meat with our dinner. I just had a little chicken and am somehow left unsatisfied. A logical argument requires that you do not deal with opinions, beliefs, etc. If you present anything less than a logical argument in your defense then you are doing us a disservice, and you are selling yourself short. I'm quite sure you have it in you to be convincing, but an Argument against the person is not the way to go about it. Convince us with your facts... I'd like to think the day of following others blindly because they spout pretty words were left behind with Hitler and those like him. So, once again... Why should we believe you?

06-23-2003, 01:30 PM	#49
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	LOL Dale, guess you're right with that... publicity does get the word out, good or bad you'll have people beating down your door to lean more about you. We're so predictable

06-23-2003, 01:56 PM	#55
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,270	I think alot of people will be hurt if the ban goes into effect! Not just VPX. Sure everyone is making money now, but not if the ban goes into effect. So why not join together and prevent it? And I personally do not know what Vpx is doing. My comments are based on what I hear and see. And most is not good. And to say that the ban will not happen is stupid! It WILL if we don't fight it!
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