VPX and the PH ban...

RCfootball87 · 06-24-2003, 11:51 PM

Just for reference purposes, as a gunowner I am familliar with the deadly force law. It basically says to only use lethal force if you feel your life or wellbeing or that of your family is in danger. So if you shoot a burgular in the back while he's running away unarmed........ prepare to be a prison bitch. However if its dark in your house and you see a burgular or something and you don't know whether he has a gun or not, then blow that sucker to hell and say you thought he might have had a gun and you were scared and you should be fine.

RCfootball87 · 06-24-2003, 11:54 PM

As far as prohormones as concerned I don't take them yet but I might 5 or 10 years down the road, so how can I show opposition to this bill? How do i go aobut writing John McCain?(not that he'll get it, or answer, or give a shit what I think...)?
I'd also like to extend a nice heartfelt "FUQ YOU!"(can i say that here?) to any politician who supports this bill.

Freeman · 06-25-2003, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
Just for reference purposes, as a gunowner I am familliar with the deadly force law. It basically says to only use lethal force if you feel your life or wellbeing or that of your family is in danger. So if you shoot a burgular in the back while he's running away unarmed........ prepare to be a prison bitch. However if its dark in your house and you see a burgular or something and you don't know whether he has a gun or not, then blow that sucker to hell and say you thought he might have had a gun and you were scared and you should be fine.

I still think you can get into trouble, even if it is "dark". However, I have had a police officer tell me that if this ever happens and I did shoot the guy, to then shoot one into the ceiling, and you can claim that you fired a warning shot and yelled, but the burglar kept coming into the house.

**dg806** · 06-25-2003, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by freeman1504
I still think you can get into trouble, even if it is "dark". However, I have had a police officer tell me that if this ever happens and I did shoot the guy, to then shoot one into the ceiling, and you can claim that you fired a warning shot and yelled, but the burglar kept coming into the house.

I know each state has different laws, but in NC, if someone is in your house, you have every right to shoot them! Armed or not, they are getting a .40 cal slug in them! The way I see it, if you break in my house, you mean no good!!

**dg806** · 06-25-2003, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by RCfootball87
As far as prohormones as concerned I don't take them yet but I might 5 or 10 years down the road, so how can I show opposition to this bill? How do i go aobut writing John McCain?(not that he'll get it, or answer, or give a shit what I think...)?
I'd also like to extend a nice heartfelt "FUQ YOU!"(can i say that here?) to any politician who supports this bill.

No offense RC, but if they know how old you are, it will only add to their case if you send a letter. If you want to help, the USFA can always use money donations to fight the cause. And 5 to 10 years from now, this stuff will be long gone if we don't win the fight!

RCfootball87 · 06-25-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by dg806
No offense RC, but if they know how old you are, it will only add to their case if you send a letter. If you want to help, the USFA can always use money donations to fight the cause. And 5 to 10 years from now, this stuff will be long gone if we don't win the fight!

I know I was thinking the same thing. Its too bad so many dumbass 12 year olds are poping prohormones so they can be like Mark Mcgwire. Although I have had short lived thoughts of taking them, I usually come to my senses in five minutes. Actually I blame the media for making kids think they're inferior if they're not big, and strong, although I think a lot of the anti-steroid stigma the media puts out is keeping kids away from those. I think kids see them and figure if they can be sold to minors legally, they're as safe as protein. Actually I do support a law that would limit the sale of prohormones to people 18 or older only, but that's just me. A total pro-hormone, like the steroid ban, is wrong and will only create a bigger illegal market.

**Prince** · 06-25-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by dg806
I know each state has different laws, but in NC, if someone is in your house, you have every right to shoot them! Armed or not, they are getting a .40 cal slug in them! The way I see it, if you break in my house, you mean no good!!

I thought every state had the "make my day" law?

**dg806** · 06-25-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I thought every state had the "make my day" law?

NC is mostly "good old boys-rednecks"!

Their idea of a good Friday night is getting drunk and beating the shit out of each other! No lie! I know two brothers that did this!

**Prince** · 06-25-2003, 12:36 PM

Well, in Colorado there is a law that states if someone enters your house "uninvited" you can kill them, period. It's called the "Make My Day" law.

**dg806** · 06-25-2003, 12:37 PM

I thought you were kidding! I like that law!

RCfootball87 · 06-25-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
Well, in Colorado there is a law that states if someone enters your house "uninvited" you can kill them, period. It's called the "Make My Day" law.

I wish Illinois had that law, but their are too many liberals here.

**Prince** · 06-25-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by dg806
I thought you were kidding! I like that law!

nope, dead serious.

I was under the impression that every state passed the same law...guess not.

Freeman · 06-25-2003, 01:07 PM

Nope, from what I understand, in MOST states, you cannot shoot at a burglar unless he physically threatens you...i.e. shoots at you..puts your life in danger, etc. The idea being that most burglars are NOT there to kill you, but rather steal your stuff. And if you shoot a burglar, the law says that you have become judge, jury, and executioner all in one move. AND furthermore, the penalty for burglary is NOT execution.

Robboe · 06-25-2003, 03:51 PM

While we're on this topic, i'd just like to give my opinion. That being that once anyone access your property without your consent, should automatically yield any rights they may have. Therefore, any (grevous) bodily harm done toward them in the act should not be classified as "illegal".

Basically, if i find any fucker trying to rob me from my property, i should be fully within my rights to ensure said individual(s) need to feed through a straw for a good 6 months after without being liable for legal action myself.

Twin Peak · 06-25-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by freeman1504
Nope, from what I understand, in MOST states, you cannot shoot at a burglar unless he physically threatens you...i.e. shoots at you..puts your life in danger, etc. The idea being that most burglars are NOT there to kill you, but rather steal your stuff. And if you shoot a burglar, the law says that you have become judge, jury, and executioner all in one move. AND furthermore, the penalty for burglary is NOT execution.

This is almost correct. You must have a subject fear for your life or for the lives of your loved ones. It is subjective, so you need to prove to a jury that you ACTUALLY were in fear, based on the facts.

Thus, it is easier for a woman to prove fear.

Shotting someone disarmed, or in the back, will not fly.

Its also why you can't have deadly booby traps.

**Prince** · 06-25-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by freeman1504
Nope, from what I understand, in MOST states, you cannot shoot at a burglar unless he physically threatens you...i.e. shoots at you..puts your life in danger, etc. The idea being that most burglars are NOT there to kill you, but rather steal your stuff. And if you shoot a burglar, the law says that you have become judge, jury, and executioner all in one move. AND furthermore, the penalty for burglary is NOT execution.

well, then you have no understanding of the "Make My Day Law".

http://www.co-freedom.com/2003/04/makemyday.html

RCfootball87 · 06-25-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
This is almost correct. You must have a subject fear for your life or for the lives of your loved ones. It is subjective, so you need to prove to a jury that you ACTUALLY were in fear, based on the facts.

Thus, it is easier for a woman to prove fear.

Shotting someone disarmed, or in the back, will not fly.

Its also why you can't have deadly booby traps.

Yeah, but if it's dark in the house you can just say you thought he had a gun, or you couldn't tell, and I think in most states that would fly. I can't understand how they would make you sit there and wait to see if he had a gun before firing.

**gopro** · 06-25-2003, 05:53 PM

Holy moly has this one gone off topic

**Prince** · 06-25-2003, 06:19 PM

Who gives a shit whether or not they have a gun or any weapon, if they choose to break into MY house, they have given up any rights.

The rationale for the law is fairly straight-forward: people have a right to defend themselves and their loved ones against criminals who break into their homes. He said critics asked, "Is your TV set worth somebody's life?" He answered, "The criminal made that choice" to break into a home. A single woman cannot possibly hope to divine the intentions of an intruder, he argued. A criminal may well follow up a burglary with rape or worse. Also, a homeowner cannot be expected to just wait around and hope the intruder is unarmed. A would-be criminal can avoid the risk of getting shot simply by not breaking into people's houses.

**dg806** · 06-25-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Shotting someone disarmed, or in the back, will not fly.

You mean you don't keep throw away guns for that!

Niacin · 06-26-2003, 03:38 PM

Um, freeman1504, actually in Florida we have 'castle doctrine'. If you're in my house, and you don't have a legal right to be there, your ass is dead.

Period. No warning shots, no argument.

Max

**gopro** · 06-26-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Niacin
Um, freeman1504, actually in Florida we have 'castle doctrine'. If you're in my house, and you don't have a legal right to be there, your ass is dead.

Period. No warning shots, no argument.

Max

Here in New York we just shoot you on the street...look at me wrong, and your ass is dead

**dg806** · 06-26-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Here in New York we just shoot you on the street...look at me wrong, and your ass is dead

Yeah, but that is not legal!

**gopro** · 06-26-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by dg806
Yeah, but that is not legal!

Really? I never got in any trouble for it

Niacin · 06-26-2003, 07:08 PM

Life is cheap in the Big Apple. You can tell by the cabdrivers.

**gopro** · 06-27-2003, 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by Niacin
Life is cheap in the Big Apple. You can tell by the cabdrivers.

Right! Oddly enough though, in a month I'll be moving to your neck of the woods.

06-24-2003, 11:51 PM	#121
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	Just for reference purposes, as a gunowner I am familliar with the deadly force law. It basically says to only use lethal force if you feel your life or wellbeing or that of your family is in danger. So if you shoot a burgular in the back while he's running away unarmed........ prepare to be a prison bitch. However if its dark in your house and you see a burgular or something and you don't know whether he has a gun or not, then blow that sucker to hell and say you thought he might have had a gun and you were scared and you should be fine.
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06-24-2003, 11:54 PM	#122
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	As far as prohormones as concerned I don't take them yet but I might 5 or 10 years down the road, so how can I show opposition to this bill? How do i go aobut writing John McCain?(not that he'll get it, or answer, or give a shit what I think...)? I'd also like to extend a nice heartfelt "FUQ YOU!"(can i say that here?) to any politician who supports this bill.
	back for the first time....

06-25-2003, 12:36 PM	#129
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,520 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	Well, in Colorado there is a law that states if someone enters your house "uninvited" you can kill them, period. It's called the "Make My Day" law.
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06-25-2003, 01:07 PM	#133
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	Nope, from what I understand, in MOST states, you cannot shoot at a burglar unless he physically threatens you...i.e. shoots at you..puts your life in danger, etc. The idea being that most burglars are NOT there to kill you, but rather steal your stuff. And if you shoot a burglar, the law says that you have become judge, jury, and executioner all in one move. AND furthermore, the penalty for burglary is NOT execution.
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06-25-2003, 03:51 PM	#134
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	While we're on this topic, i'd just like to give my opinion. That being that once anyone access your property without your consent, should automatically yield any rights they may have. Therefore, any (grevous) bodily harm done toward them in the act should not be classified as "illegal". Basically, if i find any fucker trying to rob me from my property, i should be fully within my rights to ensure said individual(s) need to feed through a straw for a good 6 months after without being liable for legal action myself.
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06-25-2003, 05:53 PM	#138
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06-25-2003, 06:19 PM	#139
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,520 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	Who gives a shit whether or not they have a gun or any weapon, if they choose to break into MY house, they have given up any rights. The rationale for the law is fairly straight-forward: people have a right to defend themselves and their loved ones against criminals who break into their homes. He said critics asked, "Is your TV set worth somebody's life?" He answered, "The criminal made that choice" to break into a home. A single woman cannot possibly hope to divine the intentions of an intruder, he argued. A criminal may well follow up a burglary with rape or worse. Also, a homeowner cannot be expected to just wait around and hope the intruder is unarmed. A would-be criminal can avoid the risk of getting shot simply by not breaking into people's houses.
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06-26-2003, 03:38 PM	#141
Niacin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 13	Um, freeman1504, actually in Florida we have 'castle doctrine'. If you're in my house, and you don't have a legal right to be there, your ass is dead. Period. No warning shots, no argument. Max

06-26-2003, 07:08 PM	#145
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