Specific Muscle Enhancement

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 10:57 AM

Is it possible to target growth to a specific muscle through supplementation?

In other words, if your left calf was disproportionate to your right, could you bring it up to speed?

What about if you just wanted to get your bis, or shoulders bigger?

Possible?

**Prince** · 07-16-2003, 11:07 AM

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 11:51 AM

Wrong. Try again.

DaMayor · 07-16-2003, 12:03 PM

I sense a hook....

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 12:19 PM

Actually, I am just trying to stimulate an interesting discussion.* I'd have been happier had Prince explained why its impossible.

Clearly its "possible" the question is how, and whether it can be done given current knowledge.

*Okay, so that was only HALF the reason.

DaMayor · 07-16-2003, 12:26 PM

Define "Supplimentation" ........i.e., via what means/vehicle?

Ah, spit it out.....what's new?

**Prince** · 07-16-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
I'd have been happier had Prince explained why its impossible.

I would be happy for you to explain how it IS possible (in your opinion that is, since there is no science to prove it) since you posed the question.

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
I would be happy for you to explain how it IS possible (in your opinion that is, since there is no science to prove it) since you posed the question.

Why should I answer my own question?

I can think of many different mechanisms how it *could* be possible.

But let me leave you with this, isn't it currently know and used that certain steroids can be injected into the muscle for site enhancement?

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Define "Supplimentation" ........i.e., via what means/vehicle?

Any means, and vehicle. Can it be done? Why, or why not.

**Prince** · 07-16-2003, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
But let me leave you with this, isn't it currently know and used that certain steroids can be injected into the muscle for site enhancement?

No, they cause inflamation, not actual muscle growth.

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
No, they cause inflamation, not actual muscle growth.

That's not always true.

If the injection is intramuscular so that it eventually runs systemic, then you are correct.

If, on the other hand, the steroid can be localized and retained in the muscle, then it would not run systemic, but would have all of the benefits of that drug, for that muscle only.

Robboe · 07-16-2003, 02:20 PM

While i do know half the reason why you've made this thread, i've always wondered if you could make the most of systemic distribution by keeping blood flow directed towards which-ever muscle group through constant repetition and tensing with a heavy enough weight to cause blood flow but a light enough weight not to cause localised overtraining. I doubt you could avoid the latter completely though and doing constant reps, even a set every hour, is quite impractical.

DaMayor · 07-16-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
That's not always true.

If the injection is intramuscular so that it eventually runs systemic, then you are correct.

If, on the other hand, the steroid can be localized and retained in the muscle, then it would not run systemic, but would have all of the benefits of that drug, for that muscle only.

Alright, I think I see where you're going...to a degree. However, how could you contain the steroid, or whatever the mystery substance is, within the specific muscle in a mannor that would assure a symmetrical result? In other words, wouldn't you run the risk of creating an unbalanced or disproportionate muscle, thereby defeating the purpose?

Twin Peak · 07-16-2003, 03:17 PM

DM, I am not sure what you are saying here.

Robboe · 07-16-2003, 03:43 PM

He's saying if you get an uneven concentration of androgen within the muscle, say more on the left than the right, would this cause an issue for unsymmetrical growth?

DaMayor · 07-16-2003, 04:53 PM

Thank you, fellow human being......Now if the could get the Romulan to answer the question.

My question actually took away some credit from the body's ability to "self-correct" some conditions that might otherwise go awry.
But yes, how would you avoid growing wop-sided muscle? Like, your calves, for example.

**gopro** · 07-16-2003, 05:55 PM

Gopro waiting for the punchline...

DaMayor · 07-16-2003, 06:26 PM

DaMayor injecting Equipoise while using a tourniquet to see if muscles develop equally.....

**Mudge** · 07-16-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
But let me leave you with this, isn't it currently know and used that certain steroids can be injected into the muscle for site enhancement?

Keep in mind I'm no expert, but I wonder the claims of this seriously. Winny and suspension are the only two I can think of that people have claimed to work locally somewhat, your comments?

**Mudge** · 07-16-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
DaMayor injecting Equipoise while using a tourniquet to see if muscles develop equally.....

Ask Valentino

timinator · 07-16-2003, 10:29 PM

the way to get a muscle area growing is to devote 8-12 weeks of specialization training. any supplements then would directly hit the specialized muscle area. what I mean is lets say you specialize on your legs, now a lot of the goodness of the supplement will then go to your legs. so this is the best solution

**Mudge** · 07-16-2003, 11:09 PM

I have read of routines based on doing nothing but xx bodyparts for 4-6 weeks, like "put 1-2" on your arms in 4-6 weeks" I forget what magazine printed that. I believe it had Jay Cutler in it, so I'm figuring 1998 ish?

**gopro** · 07-17-2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by timinator
the way to get a muscle area growing is to devote 8-12 weeks of specialization training. any supplements then would directly hit the specialized muscle area. what I mean is lets say you specialize on your legs, now a lot of the goodness of the supplement will then go to your legs. so this is the best solution

I don't think this is where TP is going with this. TP, I think, is alluding to the ability of a supplement to specifically "target" growth in a muscle group by somehow "directing" the supplement to affect that area. Kind of like a "smart bomb." Although this has been shown to be somewhat possible with site injection with certain steroids it is not currently possible with any OTC supplements.

**gopro** · 07-17-2003, 06:22 AM

Unless...has Avant Labs come up with something revolutionary?? Could it be? We all wait patiently with bated breath...

DaMayor · 07-17-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mudge
Ask Valentino

I was being facetious.....Ah, you knew that.

Twin Peak · 07-17-2003, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
I don't think this is where TP is going with this. TP, I think, is alluding to the ability of a supplement to specifically "target" growth in a muscle group by somehow "directing" the supplement to affect that area. Kind of like a "smart bomb." Although this has been shown to be somewhat possible with site injection with certain steroids it is not currently possible with any OTC supplements.

Exactly.

I honestly don't know the answer to DM's question. Nor do I know much about site injections of steroids. In fact, everything I know about I already stated, so it ain't much.

So, how about it. What if you could design a way so that the creatine you ingested (for example) was all stored in a specific muscle group, rather than systemically.

Or if you figured out how to increase protein synthesis, in a specific muscle group?

But back to steroids. We all know that steroids have negative systemic effects, yes. Test suppression, etc, which is why they are cycled. If you did site injections and avoided systemic effects, wouldn't you also avoid systemic sides? Just a thought.

BTW, Rob, you certainly have a hint of what I am getting at, as you read my journal, and have more knowledge about Avant then pretty much anyone else here. But I'd say its more like a third, rather than half, of what I am getting at.

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07-16-2003, 12:19 PM	#5
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Actually, I am just trying to stimulate an interesting discussion.* I'd have been happier had Prince explained why its impossible. Clearly its "possible" the question is how, and whether it can be done given current knowledge. *Okay, so that was only HALF the reason.
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07-16-2003, 02:20 PM	#12
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	While i do know half the reason why you've made this thread, i've always wondered if you could make the most of systemic distribution by keeping blood flow directed towards which-ever muscle group through constant repetition and tensing with a heavy enough weight to cause blood flow but a light enough weight not to cause localised overtraining. I doubt you could avoid the latter completely though and doing constant reps, even a set every hour, is quite impractical.
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07-16-2003, 12:26 PM	#6
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,996	Define "Supplimentation" ........i.e., via what means/vehicle? Ah, spit it out.....what's new?

07-16-2003, 03:17 PM	#14
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07-16-2003, 03:43 PM	#15
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	He's saying if you get an uneven concentration of androgen within the muscle, say more on the left than the right, would this cause an issue for unsymmetrical growth?
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07-16-2003, 04:53 PM	#16
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,996	Thank you, fellow human being......Now if the could get the Romulan to answer the question. My question actually took away some credit from the body's ability to "self-correct" some conditions that might otherwise go awry. But yes, how would you avoid growing wop-sided muscle? Like, your calves, for example.

07-16-2003, 05:55 PM	#17
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07-16-2003, 10:29 PM	#21
timinator Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: U.K Posts: 3	the way to get a muscle area growing is to devote 8-12 weeks of specialization training. any supplements then would directly hit the specialized muscle area. what I mean is lets say you specialize on your legs, now a lot of the goodness of the supplement will then go to your legs. so this is the best solution

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